DC bar scene buzz (Rove indictment)

[Recursion]

I went south of Florida Ave. tonight and yesterday and kept my ears open talking to the few contacts I still have. So take this with a grain of salt, but here's the buzz I picked up. I don't go to Arlington anymore which is where most of the nouveaux-politiques hang out, but this is what was floating around Connecticut Ave and Constitution Ave:

1. JL is half right. Something big did happen Friday and Saturday, and involved Fitz's team, but it's not what he thinks.
2. Rove is both teflon and not Fitz's target
3. Shrub's speech monday will not be about immigration/deployment of the national guard

Now, everybody's a pundit after a few beers, so like I said take this all with a grain of salt. But, even if JL's wrong, it feels like *something*s up; this town always gets a buzz like this right before a big thing breaks.

[originalpckelly]

1. Could it involve the VP?(n/t)

[Democrats_win]

4. The VP: a good choice since he's the one who is really guilty.

[katinmn]

6. That is a distinct possibility!

Cheney was on the front page of every major newspaper today for his role in the domestic spying.

[Critters2]

2. Something about Cheney, maybe? n/t

[shadowknows69]

9. Think Karl and Scooter are giving up Cheney?

Dreaming again.

[AnnieBW]

3. A Grain of Salt

Some tequila, and a lime. :D Hmmm... I wonder what the Chimperor's up to?

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

5. Sounds like it is...

Half wishful thinking, half conventional wisdom, marinated in a weekend of drinking.

One thing I have learned: Inside-the-Beltway folks have a very unique take on reality. One that often has no real connection to any reality us one-fodder-units must live within.

Oh, and your nick: When you chose it, was it a choice between it and error.log? ;-)

[Ringo84]

7. To dmesg

Here's my questions:

1. Do you really think that a Rove indictment is likely? Up to now, he has seemed like teflon.
2. If an indictment is likely and does indeed happen, what will that mean for the Duh-bya regime, for Republicans in '08, and Democrats in '08?

I'm just trying to follow the the discussion.
Ringo

[rodeodance]

8. oh gee, and cnn will be starting immigration coverage at 6 AM!

....3. Shrub's speech monday will not be about immigration/deployment of the national guard

[OldLeftieLawyer]

10. Connecticut and Constitution?

Oh, they intersect now?

Yeah, bar buzz in DC is always a really reliable indicator of how a perfectly unknowable legal investigation (Fitzgerald) is proceeding.

So, when did they change the layout of those streets, and what did they do with 18th Street, NW? Has it been mothballed? Laid off? Will it be relocated anywhere else?

I worry about 18th Street, NW. I once worked at 818 18th Street, NW.

I know, I know - too many 8s.

Everyone has a theory.

And no one knows anything.

[Avalux]

12. lol!

;-)

[Recursion]

13. Huh?

Connecticut Ave. bars like 1223 and Ozios. Constitution Ave. bars like Henry's and the Dubliner. Two distinct sets of bars, a cab ride (and 3 #$*^ing cab zones!!!) away from each other. Or just catch the Red line across town and schlepp it from Union Station.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

16. The streets, darling,

the streets.

They don't intersect.

[Recursion]

17. I never said they intersected

I said I went to Connecticut avenue bars and Constitution avenue bars and insinuated myself into the conversations of staffers I know.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

19. Stop

You're now showing your lack of humor, and that's just too defensive for words.

No one knows anything.

And pray for 18th Street, NW.

[Recursion]

22. Blame the Delerium Nocturne...

And screw 18th street. It's only ever full of Georgetown jerks

[OldLeftieLawyer]

25. Now you've done it

Georgetown is a long walk from 18th Street, honey.

Time for you to get out that map and try to laugh a little bit. You're not having enough fun, I can tell.

Oh, and welcome to DU.

Now, about 18th Street, and, by the way, I'm kind of fond of 7th Street, NW, too.

[Recursion]

26. Having a great time :)

But you haven't walked down 18th street lately if you don't know it's flooded with Georgetown kids every weekend. Asylum, Tonic, Marx, the Reef... all lost to this sea of lacrosse-playing, crew-rowing testosterone. Stay east of 16th if you want cool locals or south of Florida if you want the political types.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

29. It always was

That's how it's always been. 19th Street, too.

And, so what? Georgetown is full of tourists, so the students go into town. Good for them.

You really do think the area is divided geographically into political types?

Oh, dear. You're adorable.

Welcome.

[EFerrari]

14. The one time we went to D.C., every street on the hill seems to

intersect ITSELF every three blocks. And we were mostly sober. :silly:

[Recursion]

15. Why do you think I don't go to Arlington anymore?

Every damn road is named "Glebe"

[OldLeftieLawyer]

20. I think Arlington's a lot worse than DC

in terms of layout and getting around.

Plus, it lacks Marion Barry.

Viva Alexandria ...........

[Virginian]

41. I agree.

DC has logic to its layout.

For those who don't know...
DC is broken into quadrants with the center at the Capitol.
Numbered Streets run North/South with their numbers increasing the further you get from the capitol.
Letter Streets run East/West. The further you get from the Capitol, the further along in the Alphabet. When you get more than 26 blocks from the Capitol, the alphabet starts over with single syllable names, then two syllable names, etc. State named streets are diagonal and frequently intersect at circles.

Of course there are exceptions. The naming convention doesn't hold up very well east of the Anacostia River.

[Virginian]

39. Oh, come on now, there are only 5 Glebe Roads

in Northern Virginia and only 3 of them are in Arlington.
East Glebe and West Glebe are in Alexandria.

Arlington is real tricky because you have the same number repeated as Street, Road and Avenue. They dead end and then start up again several blocks away.

There was a story about a Neo-con prayer meeting at some gray house on 27th, I think it was. I got out my trusty ADC Book Map (Northern Virginia edition) and looked it up. I think there was a 27th Road, Street. Place or Avenue on Five different pages. Maybe 20 or 30 different co-ordinates listed in the index. All I could determine was that it wasn't too far from Route 66 and the W&OD bike path.


PS: Spell check couldn't find Glebe. It is a parcel of land deeded to a church.

[MountainLaurel]

51. Don't forget the various Braddock Roads

That run from Alexandria clear out past Manassas

[OldLeftieLawyer]

18. Blame it on L'Enfant,

who drank.

Actually, not just on The Hill, but the whole city - it's really easy once you're familiar with it, but it's a dazzler to tourists and newcomers, I must agree.

First time I found myself on 13-1/2 Street, NW was a real adventure.

[Critters2]

21. There's a "1/2" street?

And my friends say the quadrant system in Iowa is confusing!

[Virginian]

42. There used to be a 1/2 Street SW.

It was poorly paved and mostly warehouses.
There was a fantastic nightclub called The Pier.
Remember the Hustle back in the late 1970s?
The Pier was where I first learned it.

[Laughing Mirror]

46. Muddy, potholed Half Street SW is still there and is not going anywhere

My mother's family are all originally from SW. My grandparents first house, one of the old 19th century rowhouses is still there too on Half Street, between N & O, although most of the rest of the old SW was torn down when I was a kid. The houses on Half Street did not have indoor plumbing when my grandparents first lived there in the 1910's. I wonder if they do now.

Half Street SE, on the other side of South Capitol, is not going anywhere either, although some of it may be gobbled up by the new stadium.

Who could forget the fabulous Pier 9 at 1824 Half Street SW? It opened in May 1970 and stayed open until 1985, I think. The Bob Damron guide of 1972-73 called it the hottest thing going from Boston to Miami. The big black building is still there, still being used as a club, I have heard.

Virginian, I am sure you and I must have run into each other on the Pier dance floor, the upstairs dance floor or the downstairs dance floor. What a place that was! It was a forerunner to the big clubs of today.

[Stinky The Clown]

47. The Pier lived out its final days as an S&M club

Don't ask. Pervs never speak about that stuff, yanno?

[hootinholler]

33. 13 1/2 St. LOL

I worked in the ICC building for a while and marveled at 13 1/2 St on a daily basis. But really, why no J street?

-Hoot

[Recursion]

35. 2 reasons

1) J was traditionally avoided by engineers at that time because it was too easily confused with "i" (it at that point lacked its modern characteristic curl at the bottom, and was not always classified as a separate letter rather than a different form of "i") -- also, on the older signs in DC "I street" is still spelled "Eye street"

2) Allegedly, Jefferson hated John Jay so much that he saw to it that there were no J streets in l'Enfant's layout. Probably just a fun urban myth.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

36. The legend is

that John Jay pissed someone off.

Seriously.

[The Witch]

50. How come we don't have regular DC DU meetings?

I'd love to get together with you folks. :cry:

[OldLeftieLawyer]

54. Because no one

can find 13-1/2 Street, NW again?

[Wilber_Stool]

27. Aces and eights

You're lucky you got out alive brother.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

30. I'm a sister,

and the city is lucky it survives me every day.

[Stinky The Clown]

38. I can vouch for the new geography .....

I was trying to get to Georgetown from 16th St. on Friday. Someone stole 18th Street. But I was able to take Connecticut right into Georgetown.

Oh ... and K Street was missing, too.

Aliens, maybe .... ?

And have you tried the Metro lately? The Green Line now goes to Shady Grove.

:eyes:

[AlGore-08.com]

11. It's all over the MSM that Smirk will discuss deploying the National Guard

He may be talking about other stuff, but I think the National Guard deployment is definitely part of his speech.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

23. Of course it will be

And then he'll tell us about Swine Flu or Avian Flu or genital warts.

Diversion, diversion, diversion.

[diamondsndust]

43. why would we want to hear about his current ailments??

sorry, couldn't resist that one, you left the door too wide open!

[Spazito]

24. Hmmm, does one 'happening' have to negate another, not necessarily

A possible scenario, if your 'buzz' is, indeed, correct:

Fitzgerald or an AD did meet with Rove's lawyer/s laying out the charges along with a offer of a plea agreement with lesser charges providing Rove turned on a higher up, aka Cheney, with a 24 hour (business days time frame)deadline to accept or the charges/indictments would become public. Rove, through his lawyer/s, accepted the plea deal and provided Fitzgerald with the evidence to go after the higher-up, aka Cheney. Bush, then, must announce Cheney is resigning due to 'poor health' or 'to spend more time with his family'.

Now, were my scenario to be more than mere speculation, that would make both Truthout and your 'buzz' accurate. Damn, I love scenarios, lol.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

28. Well, then...

That certainly dovetails nicely with the part about tomorrow night's address.

[peacetalksforall]

31. Here's my take. It's Cheney. And his replacement will be Rice. And

the reason he's falling asleep is because they have him sedated.

Or - it's both Bush and Cheney and Laura and Mary Cheney are going to be P and VP.

I'm more serious about the first.

[Stephanie]

40. Not Rice. No way.

"Single" woman? Will never happen.

[Peace Patriot]

45. Higher Class, I tend to think you're right. The junta has to get a better

narrative going, fresh face as v-p, all that blood and gore and crime and torture and grand theft and spying and lying, a-a-a-a-a-a-a-all behind us, Bush, perky as a new belly button with his chattel Ms. Dracula by his side, throws Cheney to the werewolves, closes the borders, declares martial law, appoints Donald Rumsfeld as Grand Inquisitor and they start using all that juicy stuff they got on all the "libruls" and Hindenberg-jumping Bushites to purge the country of the vast "terrorist" conspiracy that they've recently uncovered. And then they'll nuke Iran with no lip from anybody.

Am I going too far? It's getting late, and my conspiratorial mind is crawling out of its cave. But SOMETHING is most certainly UP. Fitzgerald has had Rove on perjury and obstruction (at least) for some time. He would have indicted him some time ago if he wasn't playing for bigger game--for the masterminds of this conspiracy. He may not win this hand, but I think that's what's going on. He may have to settle for indictments of TWO people obstructing his investigation--Libby protecting Cheney and Rove protecting Bush. If the "deciders"--whoever they may be--are still in political narrative mode (as opposed to militaristic mode), they WILL do more than shuffling the parachutes on the flaming blimp; Cheney may resign even if he isn't yet indicted. That will keep it out of Congress, give the yappers an "everything is changed now" story to yap about, and strew Diebold/ES&S's path to the junta's "miraculous" electoral recovery with rose petals all the way to November.

So they are hoping. I think it will fail, but they have some such delusional "newsstream" plan.

Also, I worry, yes, I do, about Rumsfeld. I think we've got a real problem there. The Lurker. Mr. AWOL on 9/11. He may have successfully laid the whole thing at Cheney's door, but I don't think that is the truth of matter. I think Rumsfeld was the architect of Plamegate, and that the poisonous snakepit beneath Plamegate is much worse than the known facts. If there is a real Nazi among this den of thieves, it's Rumsfeld. The generals thing was quite interesting, though. I don't think those 12 retired generals (or however many there were) would have come out publicly against Rumsfeld as they did, if they didn't know something was up. I'm hoping that Fitzgerald has aimed his flamethrower at the hidden snakepit that Rumsfeld sits on top of.

I really do have to go beddy-bye now. Sweet dreams, all! Just remember there are a lot of good people in our country. Amazing people. Courageous people. We can and we will take our country back, and we are going to make it a better country than it was before. Good-night.

[Warpy]

32. Well, I don't think Rove is the target, either

because the story of the indictments featured perjury and obstruction, not the crime itself.

I think he will be indicted for perjury. At this point, he can hardly escape it.

As for the real target, we do know there's no love lost between Rove and Cheney, and that may be what Fitzgerald is aiming at.

Or it still may be a case of throwing Scooter to the wolves and everything else is damage control. I'll believe it when I see it.

[notadmblnd]

34. the only thing better than rove going down

would be cheney going down instead.

[Stinky The Clown]

48. Please rephrase that

The notion of Cheney going down is repulsive/.

[MountainLaurel]

52. It would explain Lynn's lesbian love stories

:crazy:

[etherealtruth]

53. Oh, vomit

:puke:

[notadmblnd]

55. lol.. I see your point

I agree the thought is rather repulsive.

[savemefromdumbya]

37. will it be Bush's resignation speech?

[enid602]

44. Iran

I wonder if the Rove indictment rumor may have been planted by Rove himself as a smokescreen which (along with Bush's planned speech on immigration) was meant to keep public attention away from Iran. With the SS Enterprise and the SS lincoln en route to Iran, and given the dollar plunge and worldwide stock market woes at the end of this past week, I wonder if an attack is eminent.

[The Witch]

49. Well, at least we'll know if you're right on #3 after 8 pm tonight :)

then we'll have an idea about #s 1 and 2

My feeling is it doesn't matter whom we believe today, it matters what actually happens tomorrow. Knowing is just a bonus.

[Recursion]

56. And, on #3 I was 100% wrong

That's what I get for believing OEB staffers...