conservative Christians are upset with Republicans, may stay home

[renate]

"I can't tell you how much anger there is at the Republican leadership," Mr. Viguerie said. "I have never seen anything like it."

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/15/washington/15dobson.html?hp&ex=1147752000&en=e08dec9e1107338d&ei=5094&partner=homepage

Midterm Congressional elections tend to be won by whichever side can motivate more true believers to vote. Dr. Dobson and other conservatives are renewing their complaints about the Republicans at a time when several recent polls have shown sharp declines in approval among Republicans and conservatives. And compared with other constituencies, evangelical Protestants have historically been suspicious of the worldly business of politics and thus more prone to stay home unless they feel clear moral issues are at stake.

Too bad, so sad. :nopity:

By the way, what is up with this?

Dr. Dobson, whose daily radio broadcast has millions of listeners, has already signaled his willingness to criticize Republican leaders. In a recent interview with Fox News on the eve of a visit to the White House, he accused Republicans of "just ignoring those that put them in office."
Dr. Dobson cited the House's actions on two measures that passed over the objections of social conservatives: a hate-crime bill that extended protections to gay people, and increased support for embryonic stem cell research.

Please don't tell me that these people are actually angry over a hate-crime bill protecting gay people. Are they PRO-hate crime when it involves gay people? What on earth are they angry about?

edited to make the title of the thread more intriguing than the NYT headline, "Conservative Christians Warn Republicans Against Inaction"

[NoodleBoy]

1. in that case, yes, they are pro-hate crimes. disgusting.

[sutz12]

3. This is what we have to emphasize this year....

These people HATE. That's all they really do. They divide and hate and they want to discriminate and block medical science. There are just so many usable quotations like that that should be blasted on the national media to show how these people hate others. Their followers need to be shamed into realizing what bigoted, hateful people they have sold their souls to.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

24. Kind of destroys the "hate the sin, love the sinner" BS argument.

[TomInTib]

2. I know quite a few fundies and wingnuts. The hate crime bill has them

in an absolute frothing fury.

This struck a primal chord with them.

edited due to my inability to spell 'and'.

[BR_Parkway]

18. But as a dark skinned single man who never married, and hung out

with all these other single men - the hate crime bill would have offered protection to Jesus on a few levels also.

Of course, today's KKKristians are the one's who would crucify him again today if he showed up.

[PaDem]

21. Here's why, in a nutshell...........

The feeling is that Pastors will be vulnerable to prosecution if they preach about Homosexuality. Frankly I think the fury is rooted in paranoia.

[Perky]

23. No the fury is rooted in greenbacks

Rallying cries like this are done by folks using BS arguments to soak the Naive.

[lvx35]

4. Stop defending Bush.

Christians, including conservatives, are angry because Bush has been pissing in the face of Christ for the last 6 years and their not willing to take it anymore. Let them stay at home, that's what their conscience calls upon them to do and that's what they should do.

[fishwax]

8. i don't think the objections of conservative christians are about

bush pissing in the face of christ for the last 6 years, but I do hope they stay home.

[Hekate]

5. We should just keep remindng them of how Bush has betrayed them!

Traditionally, fundamentalists have been (as the article points out) reluctant to get involved with politics, suspicious of too much involvement in such a grubby aspect of worldly affairs.

Progressives would be doing them a favor by reminding them of how far short Bush has fallen in his promises -- wouldn't we? :evilgrin: They'd be doing their consciences a favor by staying home on election day.

Hekate

[NMMNG]

6. Of course they're angry about a hate-crime bill that includes gays

Because they're terrified they won't be able to run around preaching their religiously-based hatred and intolerance towards gays anymore. They won't be able to proclaim from the pulpit that God says gays should be put to death, because under hate-crime laws that could be considered incitement of a crime.

Poor persecuted fundies. :nopity:

[Rosemary2205]

7. Don't get too excited.

there's still time to whip out gay bashing.

or someone wanting to pray or post the 10 Commandments could get "persecuted".

[mrcheerful]

12. 3 issues to look forwards to this coming summer

1) gay marriage
2) flag burning
3) abortion

Thats all the pukes have left and thats what they are going to use, gays destroying the marriage, those damn muslums and mexicans are burning the flag, plus abortions are now happening more then at any other time since Roe v Wade. Is any of it true? Who cares as long as it stirs up the fundies. Do fundies care that even after all this time pukes have done nothing about any of these things? Hell no, all fundies care about is that they voted against those things. Results aren't a factor in the fundie mind, it doesn't matter as long as they feel they voted for the right thing. Its the same with fundies giving to the church, all they care about is they pay their dues, what the money is used for isn't their concern, they gave for the right reason so they are innocent of evil. Its why the Bakers never caused them to bat their eyes, remember forgive Jim Baker for his wrongs, while liberals were freaking out at the 2 million dollar dog house.

[fishwax]

9. they stay home, the gop loses big, they attempt to consolidate power

"see," they say, "you lose big without us."

[Rosemary2205]

10. Oh EXCELLENT point

one never knows if the Dobsonettes on a grumblefest is actually strategy. Perhaps the plan is to concede 06 - minor setback for the chance to fully take over the GOP.

[fishwax]

11. I don't put anything past them

either way, the smart play for them is to (as always) threaten to stay home and then see what happens. If the losses are major, you can bet they'll make a big deal of it. If the losses are moderate, I'm sure they'll say turnout would have made the difference.

I don't really see what the GOP has done that would tick off conservative christians, but they're nothing if not easily offended. :evilgrin:

[NewJeffCT]

20. One thing I have to concede to the fundies

Is that they do tend to look long-term when compared to many of the rest of us... they've been plotting their takeover of the GOP (and the rest of the country) for over 30 years now and they started at the bottom - electing fundies to local school boards & town councils. From there, those folks then got elected to state offices and now they have Rick Santorum, Sam Brownback and others in national positions, and they have Sam Alito on the Supreme Court.

Why do you think so many of those fundies have huge families? It's also part of their long term strategy to breed us into a permanent minority.

[Perky]

26. The GOP fundy relationship is co-dependency at its worst.

The party and the faithful are parasitically entwined. Neither can win without the other.


Sitting out an election would be an interesting ploy however. What it would mean is either an official Christian Party and a very ugly divorce or a repudition of the party completely in 2009 by the Moderate wing.

[CoffeeCat]

13. Dobson and the rest of his brigade were duped...

BushCo needed Dobson-follower votes. So, Junior threw out a few Bible versus and
whipped up "the base" with talk about the sanctity of marriage and abortion.

Junior care as much about religion, as he does about ping pong.

When will these jerks get it? Junior is a neocon minion. The agenda is warmongering.
The PNAC scum needed a few target-rich demographics to cull. Religious conservatives
vote in high numbers....hence a political strategy was born.

I hate it when Dobson and his ilk whine. They all thought Junior cared about them.
They're slowly learning that he cares about no one.

He cares about an agenda.

Have fun at your White House junket, Mr. Dobson. I'm sure Junior will take the steam
out of your turbine for a while. Then, you'll feel used, angry and manipulated all over
again. Then, we can read about it in a few months--right before your next futile visit
to the White House.

What a bunch of fools!

[Swamp Rat]

15. HAW HAW!

:D

[Swamp Rat]

14. X-tians are pissed the neocons haven't passed any laws catering to their

most psychotic, warped beliefs... YOU HEAR THAT DOBSON FOLLOWERS!?

Bush and the Republican Party have abandoned you! Stay home next November and pray instead of voting! :D

[rucky]

16. Dobson should run for office or shut up.

and quit hiding behind the "church"

[Ress1]

17. They have no where else to go.

Maybe they could start a 3rd party, maybe it could be suggested.

[tlsmith1963]

19. Good. Then Stay Home

You'll only make our side win, fundie scum!:rofl:

Tammy

[Perky]

22. My suspicion is that the argument is not pro-hate crime

But likely an issue of definition of what constitutes a hate crime as it relates to Free-speech. More of a question of when it becomes violence as opposed to just bigotry.


They are entitlted to their opinions under the Furst Amendment, but if they are saying throwinf stones at Gay people is ok... then they are out to lunch and ought to be booted ouf of Christianity as heretics.

[catmandu57]

25. They paid the piper

Now they want to call the tune, they came out in big enough numbers to allow the piggies to steal the last three elections. I don't see them as waiting any longer, it's shit or get off the pot time.