OK, I think I'm caught up on this Rove indictment thing...

[Sammy Pepys]

I literally did notihng online this weekend. Did get on the interwebs, didn't check email...nothing....and I've heard absolutely NOTHING about this until this morning.

And that's a telling detail I think. This whole story seems to exist only in the online universe. Maybe Leopold has a huge scoop, but I have the feeling if there was anything to this, I would have heard about this some how. Why would Leopold have access to these sources, but not others in the White House media circle? How did Leopold carve out this favored position in the ultra-competitive world of Washington journalism?

Frankly, I think Leopold is being taken for a ride. Even worse, he might be taking us for a ride. I hope this all pans out, but I think this will end up being another problematice situation for us.

[babylonsister]

1. Alternately, maybe the bosses of the corp. media whores told them

all to shut their pieholes. :think:

[wtmusic]

4. Or it was a Rathergate-style setup

to discredit the blogosphere.

[BlackVelvet04]

2. Isn't it a bit contradictory

for those who say the MSM sucks, covers up for the whitehouse, etc. but turn around and say they don't believe something because they haven't seen it in the MSM?

I find it a bit confusing.

[Sammy Pepys]

5. I'm not real big on the "MSM sucks" thing actually......

But I live in Washington, and I know people in the media. They would be at each others throats to be the first to break a story like this....and they've all got the sources that would have info like that.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

8. If the MSM was a good as you say, shouldn't they be attacking...

...in full force by now if the story wasn't try?

IMHO, the only sources the MSM currently have are the ones that hand them stories pre-approved by the NeoCon Junta.

[Sammy Pepys]

11. I didn't say they were hot shit or anything....n/t

...

[BlackVelvet04]

9. I wasn't directing that particular comment at you....

merely commenting on what I see is a big contradiction from a lot of people.

As to whether or not the TO article is correct...I don't know. I don't jump on bandwagons, so I'm waiting to see. All of the speculation is meaningless. We will find out in due time.

[babylonsister]

7. Very contradictory, but everyone's looking for validation from

other sources. I guess we just wait for Fitz's final word. But as a poster noted below, their very silence, if only to disparage the bloggers, speaks volumes.

[havocmom]

15. You are not alone in being confused by that little detail.

Years, YEARS of lies, propaganda and willful omissions by MSM and we are so brainwashed we won't believe anything until the Great and Powerful Oz tells us it is so?

Look behind the curtain, folks, there be war profiteers running MSM. Who do ya think they serve? They serve those who serve them.

How the hell does that make them credible?

That said, I would like some other journalists to dig up some confirmation on Rove. The whole argument is taking our attention away from the fact that a criminal general who doesn't know about, or doesn't care about, the Fourth Amendment is about to become the head of the CIA.

THERE'S a story worth spending some time haggling about!

It's a two-fer for Rove if JL got it a little wrong or got it right but with the wrong source a` la Dan Rather. Spin the story to focus on the messenger instead of the story AND provide days and days worth of distraction from the fact that the junta is shoring up their protection via Hayden and his lack of ethics in position to snoop on the legitimate snoopers.

Folks, the good guys at CIA (and some are very good) are probably what is keeping Cheney from total domination of the world. You think they have a chance to save this country if Hayden gets in? Hayden is Cheney's get outta jail card. The good spooks are causing Dick all sorts of problems. Goss did not do well enough at purging. Hayden will probably be very harmful to the nation at CIA.

Rove will be indicted eventually. But the big problem is not him. He is just a tool too. And when Fitz squeezes him hard enough, bigger fish will fry.

[Inland]

3. and here's my thread on why you shouldn't be paying attention.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1191846

[OldLeftieLawyer]

16. Bingo

People just can't deal with the idea that Fitzgerald is doing it properly, and no leaks have come out.

His competence in this matter is unprecedented in Washington - my colleagues and I have all been here for at least 30 years each - and it's now funny, watching these online delusionals get worked up about things that haven't happened.

Yeah, fifteen hours at defendant's counsel's office. Don't these people know that that never happens? Defense counsel goes to the prosecutor when the time comes, not the other way 'round.

Unbelievable, the amount of agitation this nonsense has stirred up.

And if Rove is indicted, so what?

It changes nothing about what a mess our beloved country is in, and it sure as hell doesn't deliver any kind of backbone to any Congressional or Senatorial Democrats, so far as a I can see.

So, what's the big deal?

How many Marines died in Iraq today?

That's a big deal, at least to me.

[Inland]

18. The uber question is, could even an indictment save the US?

I think the flip side of dems and liberals lack of concern over elections is the belief that something other than an election will save the US. Fitz, the UN, the Hague, SOMEBODY save us from our dysfunctional constitutional republic.

I don't think Rove's indictiment is an "issue". I don't think it's the savior. I think it's a black eye to Bush when and if it happens and not a day before. In the meantime, IT'S NOTHING.

Leopold wants to be the first to report it, fine, I guess it's his job. Some people want to repeat it, fine, there's worse shit going on. But without caveats and with huge anticipation....eh. Not my thing.

[Justice]

19. How many Marines died in Iraq today?

I agree with you regarding this being a big deal, and am really dismayed that the fact that the rate is increasing, yet we aren't talking about it.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

6. You're expecting to hear something from the MSM on this story?....

...The fact that they're NOT saying anything speaks volumes, IMHO.

You would think the NeoCons' watchdogs would be all over this story if it weren't true.

[Sammy Pepys]

13. The media would've been on this if it was true....

There's no doubt in my mind. Call them whatever you want to call them.....

To be brutally honest, Leopold is a small time blogger. Sorry, but it's true.

[nolies32fouettes]

10. Did you hear about anything in this link?

http://www.progressiveu.org/072359-indictments-in-roves-future-i-think-so


Isn't that rather telling?

[sabra]

12. ex CIA analyst Larry Johnson is reporting the Joe Wilson has been

told that Rove was indicted, and not from the Leopold report... Only time will tell.

[Sammy Pepys]

14. Could Johnson be one of Leopold's sources?

Hey, don't get me wrong, I'm rooting for this...but man....once bitten...

[sabra]

17. I doubt it - based on this quote

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1191262&mesg_id=1191262

[Viva_La_Revolution]

20. How do we know that's really Larry Johnson?

I can't give credence to that, anyone could have signed up under his name.