Did Howard Dean really go on Pat Robertson show ?

[RethugAssKicker]

I heard it this morning on the Rachael Maddow show... She says that he basically sucked up to the RW nutheads... saying he was against Gay marriage too? WTF?... What else did he say?

[Why Syzygy]

1. Howard Dean

IS personally not in favor of same sex marriage. He said this when he ran in the Primary.
HOWEVER. He doesn't think his personal opinion should be the LAW. He believes in the right to choose!

[BlueEyedSon]

4. did he SAY that to the insane religious cleric?

[emulatorloo]

6. well, he said THIS to the insane religious cleric:

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I think where we may take exception with some religious leaders is that we believe in inclusion, that everybody deserves to live with dignity and respect, and that equal rights under the law are important."

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[BlueEyedSon]

10. woohooo!

[jwirr]

7. And that IS the difference between the Democratic Party and

the idiot party.

[Kagemusha]

2. Dean's for civil unions. He's never been for gay marriage.

He did misstate the Democratic Party platform on gay marriage (somewhat) in the course of trying to defend the principle of civil rights for all. For not backing gay marriage, he has been quite roundly criticized (you're late to the party).

[emulatorloo]

3. He said that gays deserve equal rights and protections under the law

He screwed up and said that the democratic platform said marriage was between a man and a woman. that is incorrect, and he later corrected that.

He told robertson that gays deserve equal rights and protections under the law. I had posted the entire quote on DU but can't find it/

[emulatorloo]

5. his actual quote here:

Part one, the screwup bonehead thing is in italics - he shouldn't have said it, it was erroneous, and plain dumb. He later corrected it.

Part two, the thing we would want 700 clubber's to hear is in bold. The bold trumps the italic, IMHO.



"The Democratic Party platform from 2004 says that marriage is between a man and a woman," Dean told Robertson. "That's what it says. I think where we may take exception with some religious leaders is that we believe in inclusion, that everybody deserves to live with dignity and respect, and that equal rights under the law are important."

http://365gay.com/Newscon06/05/051106dean.htm

[trogdor]

9. Which leads to the question...

...how else do you reach people who watch 700 Club without going on 700 Club?

[Boomer]

11. You DON'T reach them

They are called "the opposition" because they oppose the Democratic platform and other progressive beliefs.

You can't pull people into your party that don't agree with you. And changing the party to suit them is simply abandoning our core principles.

The 700 Club members are NOT our base. Get over it.

[tishaLA]

14. The actual response of the

National Gay and Lesbian Task Force is here:

"Governor Dean is wrong about what the Democratic platform says about marriage equality. Disturbingly, this is not the first time he has misrepresented this important and affirming plank, and he has been asked before to correct the record and to cease making these misleading statements.

"Governor Dean's record on lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender issues since becoming DNC chair has been sorely and sadly lacking. The Democratic Party chair should stand by and fight for the party's own platform and values. In light of Governor Dean's pandering and insulting interview today with the Christian Broadcasting Network, we have decided to return the DNC's recent $5,000 contribution to us. We do so with great sadness, knowing that the Democratic Party has long been a champion of our rights. Once again, we urge the governor to accurately represent the party's commitment to equality for LGBT people and our families, and to do everything in his power as chair to realize this vision. This would include but not be limited to fighting anti-gay ballot initiatives in various states this November. We urge him to take the money we are returning today and spend it to defeat these attacks on LGBT people and our families."

and the actual response from the Human Rights Campain is here

“Governor Dean’s comments weren’t a mere slip of the tongue but a glaring reminder of the governor’s lack of leadership on this issue,” said (HRC President) Solmonese. “As we face a Senate vote in June that threatens to put discrimination in our Constitution, Governor Dean should not only have known better but he should have used the opportunity to speak out about the lack of values involved in the current constitutional debate.”

Solmonese continued, “While Governor Dean’s clarification of the Democratic platform’s inclusive message is a step in the right direction, it’s imperative that the Democratic National Committee and Governor Dean himself continue on that path in a clear and unequivocal way. We join fellow gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender leaders in concern over a troubling series of missteps that fail to convey Governor Dean’s and the DNC’s commitment to equality.”

Apparently both LGBT groups don't see this as one bonehead statement, but one in a series.

[Warpy]

8. Oh, ferkrissakes, watch it yourself

at http://www.cbn.com/vod/index.aspx?s=/vod/HowardDeanIntv_051006

It's a tempest in a teapot. He rubbed whatsisface's nose in what Christians really are more than once.

Plus, never forget he signed Vermont's civil union bill into law.

It's about time somebody reminded these Calvinist assholes what Christians sound like.

[gWbush is Mabus]

12. WELL - what is the Decoratic Platform then?

[tishaLA]

13. He said the party platform defined marriage

as between a man and a woman--"that's what it says," quoth he. Except that it doesn't and he later apologized for "misstating" the party's platform, which, as the chair of the DNC, he should know. He did not, however, say whether he did or did not believe in marriage equity; he was only (mis-) representing the Democratic Party position.

Both Rachel and her guest were right about the lack of utility of that appearance, but I agreed with whomever it was (Rachel, I think) who said that it's cool to go on the 700 Club and talk about what we believe, but not cool to go on, pander, and say things we don't believe.