Notice how all of the states where bush has his highest support are...

[butterfly77]

are the states with the least amount of diversity. If this is the United States those states need to diversify and why do they have all of that land can't some housing be built there we shouldn't have any homeless in this country.

[Patiod]

1. they're probably the most afraid of change

because they don't understand.

I've always thought a lot of those "prayer in the schools" types are simply unsophisticated. They don't have to live or work with Moslems, Hindus, Jews, Catholics or whatever and they can't even imagine it.

[jobycom]

2. Which states? Did his ratings fall that much in the South?

That would be good news.

[UrbScotty]

4. See for yourself

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2285847

[butterfly77]

5. Some are Utah and wyoming ....

I believe Idaho, someone had the statistics posted here the other week. Yes. his numbers are falling in the south

[jobycom]

12. Good news! Glad to see my southland coming around. nt

[LunaSea]

3. They also have a higher

suicide rate.....

not that I'm complaining.

[butterfly77]

7. Are those the states where all of the polygamist are residing...

If they see no other races and have no interaction how can they really understand what is going on.

[Dawgs]

6. When was the last time you've been to Georgia.

I don't think we can get much more diverse.

[Clark2008]

8. I was getting ready to ask the same about Tennessee

The speaker of our state house for years was of Arabic descent, the whole of the South has a lot more African-Americans than the North and we have tons of Hispanics moving in.

I have no idea where the OP got that the "red" states were less diverse because, in the South, at least, that's patently untrue.

[butterfly77]

9. Thats not one of the states...

I am talking about georgia and I believe tennesse and some others have been becoming more diverse after Katrina and as more people of other races migrate to other areas looking for employment, due to bush's great economy.

[Dawgs]

21. I'm sorry, but Katrina had very little to do with Georgia becoming diverse

I think your remarks are little bit ignorant, and slightly stereotypical.

Have you ever heard of the term 'Black Hollywood'. It's used to describe Atlanta. And, my reference was to all races, not just AA.

[butterfly77]

22. I think that you are the ignorant one

did I state african americans weren't there vietnamese and other races displaced. My post wasn't about Atlanta some of you people on here get so damn defense over any disagreement!

[treestar]

37. The Southern states approval ratings are going down

I think the point was that Dubya still have ratings near 50% in some states. It is those states being discussed. The western state that is still highly white. Idaho and Utah.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

10. What's your definition of "diversity"?

[butterfly77]

13. Native American,Blacks, Hispanics, Whites ...

Asians, Arabs and all other races is this the United States of AMerica or is it mainly white america

[moose65]

26. well, technically....

"Hispanic" is not a race, it's an ethnicity, and most Hispanics list their race as either white or a mixture of 2 or more races.

[Clark2008]

27. Then you're waaaayyyyyy off base

The South has a healthy population of Native Americans, blacks, whites, Hispanics AND we have Arabic people, Asian people and Europeans too. In my area, there is a university and Oak Ridge National Laboratories, which attracts considerable diverse cultures.

I still don't know how you got that the South wasn't diverse. There probably is less diversity in the mid-West, but not by much.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

28. When I was down in Mississippi, I was surprised at how many Vietnamese

and Native Americans came to the relief center.

My image of Mississippi had been that it was black and white, period.

[Clark2008]

31. People of other cultures are moving to the South in record

numbers for the same reason Northern white people are: less taxes.

Of course, what's funny is that once they get here, they want all the amenities and more educational spending, etc., without paying more in taxes.

LOL - it doesn't work that way - but that's why you get so many Southerners who are so boorish about being "told what to do" by "those damn Yankees" (quotes are because I don't feel that way as a native Tennesseean).

[Lydia Leftcoast]

36. I assume the Native Americans didn't "move there"

:-)

At least not in the past couple of centuries.

And I believe the Vietnamese are there because they lived by fishing in Vietnam and were able to do the same type of warm-water fishing on the Gulf Coast. But as someone at the relief center noted, they've lost everything twice in thirty years.

[butterfly77]

38. I think you need to read my post again ...

I was not talking about all of the south I was talking about 5 particular states.

[moose65]

45. Which ones?

In your original post you didn't list 5 states. In fact, you didn't list ANY states in the OP!

[treestar]

33. There are Native Americans in the states you're talking about

but maybe just one minority in an area spurs racism: look at the blacks in the South. The South isn't all white, it is just traditionally black and white, and the introduction of yet third parties makes it calmer on the racist front? Not to say it is cured by any means.

Most diverse would be places like L.A., hispanic/asian/black/white and most of the rest of the world. Which doesn't prevent racism entirely. But it is hard to imagine LA having an ordinance for prayer in the schools or declarations that it is a "Christian City." .

[butterfly77]

39. I know...

but what about some other races except black or white, are there any arabs, pakistan,how many blacks are there 1%?

[moose65]

44. hmmm

What race are Arabs? I don't think I've ever seen that category on anything I've ever looked at on populations.

[XemaSab]

11. Utah, Wyoming, Idaho, and Nebraska are the states with favorable ratings

How do you propose we forcibly diversify these states?

And if we built houses for the homeless there, why wouldn't they quickly become ghettoes? Isn't it better to have the problem where you can see it instead of off in the hinterlands?

[butterfly77]

16. Why would they become ghettos ...

is it because whites are the only race where there is not poverty, maybe if these other races had the income as most whites they could buy property and maintain it. No. What is the problem that that you stated in the last sentence. As I see it the some of the people in those states are the problems, so lets diversify and shed some light on the hinterlands.

[XemaSab]

19. If you send a bunch of economic have-nots to the same area

the place will become a ghetto. You have to have some capital there in order for any prosperity to occur.

[butterfly77]

23. Well then good !

they need to share the love and some of their knowledge, and then this country can live up to the fake bullshit they spout about helping and caring. I suspect that you live in one of these states. I say ghetto for some then ghetto for all and then maybe everyone will stop pretending as though this country so wonderful for everyone maybe if these states become more diverse they will understand where others are coming from.

[XemaSab]

24. I've never lived outside California

:shrug:

[treestar]

34. Couldn't be done forcibly

But some economic activity will eventually bring it about.

It would require some investor with a huge factory for something.

Say quality of life issues. You can put a software development company there, convincing the money-makers that it is rural and a good place to raise kids, etc. It would bring a lot of upper class Americans too. Then it would bring the inevitable bunch of Indians from the subcontinent. Add a bunch of Mexican gardeners.

In a couple of generations you have a state no longer lily white. Also diverse. Probably a lot wealthier.

[BlooInBloo]

14. The genesis of that phenomenon was of course The Sothern Strategy...

... and currently manifests itself by the fact that republican support now follows the free state/slave state divide.

[moose65]

29. Hmmm...

Yep, I'll bet there were a lot of slaves in Alaska! :hi:
Just kidding.... I know what you meant, but how do you explain the midwest and upper west, then?

[BlooInBloo]

48. I don't see what's not explained by the pics....

[tritsofme]

15. Your analysis has no merit.

Lets look at the latest Survey USA 50 state approval rating for Bush:

http://www.surveyusa.com/50State2006/06041850StatePOTUSApproval.html

82% white Rhode Island has the lowest approval rating for Bush of all states.

85% white Utah has the highest approval rating for Bush of all states.

95% white New Hampshire is almost in the exact center of approval ratings for Bush among the states.

So it seems one can conclude of largely non-diverse white states, that they hate Bush more than most states, that they love Bush more than most states, and that they are somewhere in the middle.

So much for that idea.

[moose65]

32. Good response!

I also looked at survey usa and the census bureau's web site for information on "diversity." Some people continue to perpetuate the myth that the Southern states are not diverse, when in fact most Southern states have large African-American and Hispanic populations. And let's not forget blue Vermont and New Hampshire, with their 95% white populations!

[butterfly77]

40. You are getting my point ...

a lot of these states should diversify, some only come in contact with other races when they go on vacation to another country

[treestar]

35. Rhode Island and New Hampshire are eastern

Western very white states like Idaho and Utah are the ones that are still pro-Bush even now. Or, up to 51% (Idaho)

RH and NH just have other reasons for being anti-Bush. It would not be race alone, but race/lifestyle.

[butterfly77]

17. The point is those states need diversity

they need to be united with the rest of the country. This has nothing to do with Bush.

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[Clark2008]

30. That's different from my map.

My map shows that the problem is in the rural areas - nationwide - and not limited to the South and mid-West.

Stop being so divisive:

[butterfly77]

41. Some here are getting mighty angry ...

I must've hit a nerve!

[moose65]

43. I'm not angry, but

you've said several times that those states "should diversify." What exactly does that mean? And how do you propose that those states should go about doing this?

[butterfly77]

52. You know what diversity means ...

What do you want me to say ? Lets go get a pinch of blacks and a pinch of Hispanics and a spoonful of asians. I guess they can do it the same way that they do it so that congress is full of white men!

[moose65]

25. I don't agree

In looking at survey usa and the census department's web site, I find that Vermont has one of the highest DISAPPROVAL ratings, over 70%. And Vermont is 97% white. Not much "diversity" there. Even the bluest of the blue, Massachusetts and Rhode Island, are 87 - 89 % white. In contrast, my "red" state of North Carolina is 74% white and 22% African-American, about the same as New York. How do you propose that states be "forced" to diversify? And what state do you live in, by the way?

[butterfly77]

42. Michigan!

Want a list Arabs, Hispanics, Asians, Blacks , Whites , Native American and many more!!!

[moose65]

46. from the census bureau's estimates:

From the 2004 population estimates at
http://www.census.gov/popest/states/asrh/tables/SC-EST2004-04.xls

Michigan: 81% white, 14% Black, 0.6% Native American, 2.2 % Asian; Also, 3.7% Hispanic.

North Carolina: 74% white, 22% Black, 1.75% Asian, 1.29% Native American. Also, 6% Hispanic.

Which state would you say is more "diverse" ?

[butterfly77]

49. In wasn't discussing North Carolina..

as a matter of fact thats where I'm from

[rinsd]

47. Michigan is 80% white.

And half the African American population(the next largest ethnic group at 14%) lives in Detroit.

So much for diversity.

Though to be fair you haven't really defined what you meant by diversity so that could qualify.

[butterfly77]

50. whats your beef ?

You don't want the states I mentioned to become more diverse, It's not that serious!

[butterfly77]

51. And?

That doesn't have anything to do with what I posted. Do you have a problem with diversity .