A fucking "Biometric" card!??

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

Sorry to veer off the thread organization here, but a "Biometric" card?

This would be part of the immigrant identification system, for those who aren't watching. MKJ

[Joanne98]

1. First the immigrants, then US! A corporate police state.

It's the plan all along.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

I'm kicking my own OP, because he said a "Biometric" card, for Christ's

sake.

Hubby and I are officially donning tinfoil. :tinfoilhat: MKJ

[seemunkee]

7. They're rolling them out to all Federal workers later this year

Every agency needs to start issueing biometric IDs by mid-October.

[NNN0LHI]

5. The way I see it we would all need one to prove we weren't an immigrant

Everyone is a suspected illegal immigrant and subject to deportation.

Don

[magellan]

6. The UK is working on a national ID card using biometrics

So is Canada. The things are useless and will set a (-nother) dangerous precedent. As someone very smart once said to me, how do you lock out the locksmith? Nothing is tamperproof. Just another boondoggle power grab in the long goodbye to America.

[Swamp Rat]

2. Won't be long before they TRY to make all of us wear fucking dog collars!

:mad:

[Generic Other]

8. Kinky

Might as well electrify them too.

[Swamp Rat]

9. Can you guess who will head up this program?

Arf! :D

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

3. Tweety just told Olbermann that they would be great! Big Brother is on

the march......

[Julius Civitatus]

4. Fundie evangelists would loooove that (666)

:sarcasm:

[gumby]

10. LOL

"Implanted chips" are one thing the fundies have been specifically railing against for years.

How do they see their Anointed One now? 666 anyone?

:rofl: :rofl:

[Joanne98]

18. That would mean Bush is the Beast.

[noonwitch]

36. He is-the 666 beast was Reagan

Ronald Wilson Reagan, each with 6 letters. The first beast had no power of it's own, it was powered by the dragon, the second beast. It's all in Revelation 13.

I'm really just kidding, but I like to spout this sometimes to fundamentalists just to get them going. They don't expect it when they find out that a lot of liberals know the Bible just as well as they do.

[suffragette]

11. Real ID includes the biometric part as well

And requires all databases be linked and under Homeland Security. But they were very careful not to call it National ID, even though it is a de facto one. It also had a section about the building of walls along the border which placed the Homeland Security Secretary above the law and able to overrule any dispute (environmental, union, etc) about building them.
They also are trying to get a similar card for visitors. They are trying to "tag" everyone in the U.S.
It's all linked and all bad.

[Snow]

12. Cherchez l'argent

Who gets to manufacture these cards?

[MercutioATC]

13. I'll be getting one anyway...federal employee in a safety-sensitive job.

Good thing I'm not really against the concept of biometric IDs...

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

20. Well, you and the prez seem to agree..biometric tracking=very good. n/t

MKJ

[MercutioATC]

21. I didn't say "very good", I just don't have a personal problem with it.

All of our information is already out there. This is nothing more than an ID card (I don't know about you, but I carry a driver's license...same thing).

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

23. Biometrics allows more ability to track "undesirables"

I'm very much not interested in our federal government having yet another way to track everything I do. MKJ

[MercutioATC]

25. How, exactly?

:shrug:

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

26. So, do have retinal or thumbprint biometrics where you work?

Or are you all giving urine, blood or hair samples?

I'm only asking because I'd like to craft a response that is specific to your experience. MKJ

[MercutioATC]

27. Not yet, but we will within a year (federally mandated).

Let's assume it'll be either fingerprint or retinal (probably fingerprint...the government likes to do these things on the cheap).

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

30. Fingerprint wouldn't be too much different than the systems we have now.

Although, you've been fingerprinted without being suspected of a crime, so your fingerprints will probably be in all databases used for criminal investigation.

Most likely, you'll be OK. However, if there is a flaw in the computer fingerprint matching software, you, or your friends, neighbors or co-workers, could be ID'd as being a perpetrator of a crime.

And, what will your defense be? It's not my fingerprint, really. Even though the NSA software says it is?

Just my two cents worth. MKJ

[MercutioATC]

32. That's what I was thinking...

They already have my fingerprints. They could get my credit and medical info any time they wanted. Apparently, they have the "right" to monitor my internet usage and telephone calls.

I'm not getting too worked up about an ID with my fingerprint on it...



In the fingerprint scenario you propose, I have one solution. I carry an original and correct set of my fingerprints around with me at all times (on my fingers). If they somehow miscatalog my info with somebody else's fingerprints and that other person commits a crime, the evidence needed to exhonerate me is literally at the tip of my finger.

[tlsmith1963]

29. Agreed

These ID-cards are not what a supposedly-free country should be doing. And if they *ever* try to put a computer-chip in me, they will be sorry!:mad: :mad: :mad:

Tammy

[Patsy Stone]

14. Randi and Greg Palast today on her show

were discussing Choicepoint and how their next step is collecting DNA. :scared:

[ucmike]

15. biometric cards are a neccesity

they will protect us from waves of those human/animal hybrids he referenced in an earlier speech.

[brook]

16. If I refuse...

will they deport me? Please.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

17. I argued with a rather educated person on the aol once several

years ago that biometrics were coming, up to and including chips. He laughed. I'll be he isn't laughing now.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

19. I guess I can cling to the hope that the government doesn't have the money

to fund biometric tracking...

MKJ

[guinivere]

22. But Comrade, they will suck money from another "useless"

program. Education and other things haven't been bled quite dry yet.


Now, Comrade BleedingHP, your papers please...

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

24. My papers, huh. Won't you be needing a "sample"? n/t

:) MKJ

[guinivere]

28. Silence! First we check papers, then we get sample!

Then tiny chip into arm, and you are done.









:D

[w8liftinglady]

31. one of Carlyle group's babies

http://www.symbol.com/products/rfid/rfid.html
http://carlylegroup.com/eng/search/default.asp?SearchText=symbol

[progressivebydesign]

33. How much will Rummy or Cheney make off THAT idea??? n/t

[muriel_volestrangler]

34. You do realise they're already being introduced on US passports,

don't you? And on other countries' passports, for that matter.

An Electronic Passport is the same as a traditional passport with the addition of a small integrated circuit (or “chip”) embedded in the back cover. The chip will store the same data visually displayed on the data page of the passport, a biometric identifier in the form of a digital image of the passport photograph, which will facilitate the use of face recognition technology at ports-of-entry, the unique chip identification number and a digital signature to protect the stored data from alteration.

What is a Biometric? Which one does the new Electronic Passport use?

A biometric or biometric identifier is a measureable physical or behavioral characteristic of an individual, which can be used to verify the identity of that individual or to compare against other entries when stored in a database. Biometrics include face recognition, fingerprints and iris scans. The U.S. Electronic Passport will use the digital image of the passport photograph as the biometric identifier that will be used with face recognition technology to verify the identity of the passport bearer. For more information on biometrics, please consult www.biometricscatalog.org .
...
As a security measure, Congress has legislated that all countries participating in the Visa Waiver Program with the United States must issue passports with integrated circuits (chips), to permit storage of at least a digital image of the passport photograph for use with face recognition technology. The U.S. is doing so on a reciprocal basis and will comply with the latest international standards established for secure travel documents.

What countries will issue an Electronic Passport?

On December 30, 2005, the United States began to issue Electronic Passports. It is anticipated that all new full validity U.S. passports will be issued as electronic passports by the end of 2006.

http://travel.state.gov/passport/eppt/eppt_2788.html

[Sonicmedusa]

35. I can hardly wait to get my new biometric card

Maybe then I can find a job.