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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-15-06 11:05 PM
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Judgment at Nuremberg is on TCM
The director could not get it financed until big stars came on board
and worked for less than their normal star salary.

I think if you have not seen this as an American you owe it to yourself and history to view this.
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-15-06 11:07 PM
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1. On edit...I await the new movie
JUDGEMENT AT THE HAUGE
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 02:11 AM
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13. I mean, I really do but hope
it will be viewed by our children.
And I an' talking about the German story
but the American Story
Both proud and influential nations
that had a

"pride before the fall"
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Drum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-15-06 11:07 PM
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2. Great film!
Wish I rec'vd that station.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-15-06 11:13 PM
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3. I second that recommendation!!
It's a very powerful film, especially in today's context. :thumbsup:
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-15-06 11:17 PM
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4. It is one of my favorite movies
It is a fascinating look at how the judicial system went along with the Nazis and actively, in some cases, helped them. Burt Lancaster is wonderful in it, as is, of course, Spencer Tracy.
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-15-06 11:38 PM
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5. Judgement a Nuremberg a review
which reenacts the third of 13 infamous 1948 war-crime trials,
is most powerful for its subtle and shaded characterizations of both victim and victimizer.
There are no easily identifiable evil enemies: the bad guys seem an awful lot like you or me,
which is one of the film's central points about the rise of the Nazis.


Riveting performances distinguish the movie, especially Montgomery Clift, Judy Garland, and Burt Lancaster
in the showiest parts (which they make the most of). Spencer Tracy anchors the proceedings with a reliably level-headed performance.

The script, which presents complex moral and philosophical issues quite well, is not quite as cutting, bitter, or angst-ridden as the subject demands.
The subject matter guarantees some intensely emotional moments; however, the script occasionally fails to use them to challenge viewers to look more closely at their own self-satisfaction.
Instead, we get some rather windy speechifying. Visually, the film is somewhat static (as courtroom dramas often are), though the dramatic power of the historical subject often makes it easy to overlook this flaw.

Nominated for 11 Oscars, including Best Picture, Best Director for Stanley Kramer, and acting nominations for Tracy, Garland, and Montgomery Clift, the film won for Abby Mann, who adapted the screenplay from the stage play, and Maximilian Schell, who plays the Nazi criminals' defense lawyer. -- Dan Jardine
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-15-06 11:40 PM
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6. Oddly appropriate.
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-15-06 11:52 PM
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7. "We were not political, never"
We never attended meetings but we did vote for him

"We never knew about the torture and we lost a son during the war."
and if we did know what could we do?"

the staff in the kitchen.

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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 12:49 AM
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8. We always hated Hitler and he hated us he was such a
bourgeois etc. etc. This said by people who went to his parties, fought in his armies and administered his "justice." I found this most striking in the context of current society especially all the US elite. moneyed, academic, military who go to Bush's parties, administer his "justice" but somehow at least don't manage to fight in his armies. And in the future they will say how much they disliked the boor even though they dare no critiques now.
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 01:29 AM
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9. Brilliant movie. The guy who played the defense attorney was great.
He actually had me thinking that maybe the accused should be pardoned. :) Good defense attorneys can do that. I love movies that make you think. This movie looks at all sides of the issue and succeeds in doing just that.
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 01:36 AM
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10. I think the choice of looking at the Judges' role was the paradox
for the movie, judges, judging, judges.
No just good guys
no just bad guys
just hopefully justice for the system
of the social contract.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 01:36 AM
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11. Maximilian Schell
One of the finest European actors of his generation.
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 09:21 PM
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15. He was very good. :) n/t
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 01:44 AM
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12. Okay, Marlene Dietrich. She was
A good-looker for the ages!!
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icymist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 02:25 AM
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14. I just watched this. Wow! I couldn't stop making the Bush comparisons.
How the judges were sending people to concentration camps or to sterilization of political dissidents as a 'duty to our country'! Nowadays, we're encouraged to spy on our neighbors to report 'terrorist' activities and have the 'wrong political views' expelled from our 'leader's' political speeches.
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RepublicanElephant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 09:35 PM
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16. great movie quote
Ernst Janning: "There was a fever over the land. A fever of disgrace, of indignity, of hunger. We had a democracy, yes, but it was torn by elements within. Above all, there was fear. Fear of today, fear of tomorrow, fear of our neighbors, and fear of ourselves. Only when you understand that - can you understand what Hitler meant to us. Because he said to us: 'Lift your heads! Be proud to be German! There are devils among us. Communists, Liberals, Jews, Gypsies! Once these devils will be destroyed, your misery will be destroyed.' It was the old, old story of the sacrifical lamb. What about those of us who knew better? We who knew the words were lies and worse than lies? Why did we sit silent? Why did we take part? Because we loved our country! What difference does it make if a few political extremists lose their rights? What difference does it make if a few racial minorities lose their rights? It is only a passing phase. It is only a stage we are going through. It will be discarded sooner or later. Hitler himself will be discarded... sooner or later. The country is in danger. We will march out of the shadows. We will go forward. Forward is the great password. And history tells how well we succeeded, your honor. We succeeded beyond our wildest dreams. The very elements of hate and power about Hitler that mesmerized Germany, mesmerized the world! We found ourselves with sudden powerful allies. Things that had been denied to us as a democracy were open to us now. The world said 'go ahead, take it, take it! Take Sudetenland, take the Rhineland - remilitarize it - take all of Austria, take it! And then one day we looked around and found that we were in an even more terrible danger. The ritual began in this courtoom swept over the land like a raging, roaring disease. What was going to be a passing phase had become the way of life. Your honor, I was content to sit silent during this trial. I was content to tend my roses. I was even content to let counsel try to save my name, until I realized that in order to save it, he would have to raise the specter again. You have seen him do it - he has done it here in this courtroom. He has suggested that the Third Reich worked for the benefit of people. He has suggested that we sterilized men for the welfare of the country. He has suggested that perhaps the old Jew did sleep with the sixteen year old girl, after all. Once more it is being done for love of country. It is not easy to tell the truth; but if there is to be any salvation for Germany, we who know our guilt must admit it... whatever the pain and humiliation."
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0055031/quotes
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