Will population shifts be an unexpected result of overturning Roe?

[BurgherHoldtheLies]

If (when) Roe is overturned, it falls back to the states.

"Super-blue" states, like New York, will protect choice while "super red" states, like Utah, will most likely outlaw (Indiana is introducing legislation now to outlaw even for rape/incest). My state of Pennsylvania is no way guaranteed to allow choice and in the event that it is prohibited here, I, along with my husband and children, will move to New York.

If population shifts result, this would have an impact on how many members of Congress come from various states and eventually impact future abortion legislation from Congress.



Question: Would you stay in an anti-choice state or move to a pro-choice state?

[liberalnurse]

1. There will be a "back room abortion clinic"

right next to the local Crack House.There will be a real culture shock.

[raccoon]

2. I was thinking the same thing. Just as before Roe vs. Wade,

women will have abortions, one way or other.

[sui generis]

3. will it really fall back?

or will they invoke interstate commerce laws to prevent out-of-state women from legally obtaining an abortion?

I wonder how multi-state medical licensing would work? Moreover, I wonder how criminal law would handle it.

If you are a doctor who performs abortions, and states who criminalize abortion based on the idea that abortion is murder severely punish participants in illicit abortions, wouldn't the states who treat abortion as murder be required to detain you (and your records, and patients) on charges of murder? You could get pulled over for a routine traffic violation and go to jail for life if your husband was from that state.

I don't know - I'll probably ditch America for Canada or Europe anyway; this place is just getting cuckoobananas. I don't vacation here, I hardly ever visit anyone here, and other places have better social and public policies and more freedoms and better public safety than right here in the Land of the Free(pers).

[BurgherHoldtheLies]

5. And electronic medical records make it even easier to track.

That's why I think women would have to establish residency in a legal pro-choice state...I imagine out of staters will NOT be allowed to get abortions in pro-choice states.

[insane_cratic_gal]

4. I'll go extreme and just leave the country

I've always liked England, and aren't they less far less fanatical about their religion? It doesn't play up so much in their politics any longer. I guess they learnt that lesson, being a new country we're just too ignorant to know better.

[Bobbieo]

6. Roe-Wade Overturns!

There was will a run on coat hangers.

[liberalnurse]

13. Or, maybe a lot more dead newborns

left in dumpsters..................:scared:

[SoCalDem]

7. Nope..

well-connected women will always be able to get safe abortions anywhere.
Poor people tend to stay where they are, since the cost of moving is prohibitive..they will just bear more unwanted children...and be even poorer..and increase the financial burden for already-poor states:(

[Strawman]

8. That's exactly right

[leftofthedial]

9. I'll keep living where I live for other reasons

I won't choose where I live due to abortion laws

[alcibiades_mystery]

10. It will be a complete disaster, and not at all the joy right wingers

anticipate.

The simple fact is that abortion became legal not because of any special consideration for women or privacy, but because it was an economic necessity given the structural redjustment in the global economy that occurred after World War 2. It's no accident that abortion becomes legal at around the same time that we go off the gold standard, the same time that most economists would pinpoint as the general emergence of global capitalism in its current form. The oppression of women denoted by the illegality of abortion is a residual form, more in line with older economic forms. If you have factory jobs for most men that can support the reproduction of the mode of production (that is, the reproduction of labor power under a specific regime of labor), then you don't "need" legal abortion as an economic factor. Once that kind of economy is transformed into an information/service economy, then you need large numbers of women in the labor force, and you can no longer tolerate the illegality of abortion. So, basically, what will happen is that the right wing will foist a residual economic practice on an intractable economic domain - no different than if they tried to reinstall serfdom in the suburbs. The economic forces of production will not be able to intergrate the residual form and will crush it.

[Solo_in_MD]

11. It really doesn't matter

Roe has a number of issues. A good post about it is here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=2034665&mesg_id=2035062

The American people, while the do not like abortion, support it being legal. Most states have laws in place which protect abortion independent of Federal law. If Roe get reversed, it will be replaced with legislation that allows it on a Federal level, or at least stops states from criminalizing going out of their jurisdictions to get one.

[DELUSIONAL]

12. history shows us that women WILL get abortions --

if there's a service to be provided -- that service will be provided.

Of course many women will due.

I believe that the Stats of women who died from bad abortions during some parts of the Vietnam war (pre Roe-Wade) was equal or higher than US males who died in Vietnam.

The same bastards who want to abolish abortion also want to abolish birth control -- and that is where the world will go to hell in a hand basket.

[rucky]

14. Maybe I'll buy a bus.

and make frequent trips to the nearest blue state.

[Initech]

15. I'm not a woman and I'd leave the country if Roe v. Wade is overturned

Basically by doing so, I think this country would completely offset 100 years of progress made because of a group of fucking imbeciles who still thinks that the earth is 6000 years old! :grr:

And while I've gotten a lot of shit here for these comments, but I also think that if Roe v. Wade was overturned, a couple of things would happen. For one thing, it could have the potential to spark a nationwide riot (probably worse than what we saw in LA in 1992). And second, it would begin the eventual downward spiral toward a police state and eventual theocracy. I'll be damned if that happens!

[Selatius]

16. Most people are too poor to afford to move like that

They're going to sit down and fight it out or simply not fight at all. Those who are fortunate enough to have few financial burdens are lucky enough to be able to entertain such ideas.

[ourbluenation]

17. R v W will NOT get overturned - it doesn't have to

Thanks to Casey v Planned Parenthood the red states are putting so many restrictions on it, it's tantamount to forced pregnancy. Perfect example - there is only one abortion clinic left in Mississippi. Can someone please explain to me how that is not an undue burdon?

[ourbluenation]

18. Plus - R v W is a gift that keeps on giving to the righties. It aint

going nowhere.

[SmokingJacket]

19. I would move.

I wouldn't want my friends and neighbors dying from botched home abortions. Heck, I might even want an abortion some day.

[Johonny]

20. The blue states will certainly be the winner

as the surging crime rate that will follow 14-18 years after the red states ban abortion will lead to a mass exodus of citizens to the lower crime Blue states.

[warrens]

21. With luck, we get to stomp the South again

And this time, force them to STAY seceded. See how much they like actually having to figure out how to produce something worth having, as opposed to Wal-Marts and Krispy Kremes and NASCARs and fruitcake religions.