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Brazenly Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 10:32 AM
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Tracfones, Common Sense, and the Big Telephone Spy Lie
Common sense tells you that monitoring telephone calls - whether recording the content or just gathering data on numbers called - is not about terrorism. It's about using terrorism as an excuse for spying on American citizens.

I'm not an international superspy. I'm not an agent provocateur. I'm not a private detective, a supergeek hacker, a sophisticated electronics whizz, or a telecommunications expert. I'm a middle-aged woman living on a farm in America's heartland.

Just to establish my complete lack of any arcane expertise in the area of how to subvert the system when it comes to tracking or tapping my phone calls, dontcha know.

In 2001, The Patriot Act was passed. For the first time, the government was allowed to assign a wiretap to a person rather than a telephone number. My instant reaction to this was that it was a great way to track the average citizen and a lousy way to track terrorists.

We've had the same land line phone number for 15 years (listed in the phone book), the same cell numbers for 6 years, I work at home and the husband's work phone number is easily obtained from tax, social security, credit agency, and payroll records. So if the NSA or any other arm of the government wants to spy on us, just get that short list of numbers and you're set. (Get some Vivarin, too, because our conversations are going to put you to sleep pretty quickly and you might miss the part where we plot the overthrow of BushCo by campaigning for Democrats)

If I was up to something, would I be using any of those numbers to plot and plan? Hell, no! I'd go to the discount store where I can buy a Tracfone and use that. No ID required to activate and these days, you can pick one up for $20. Use it a couple of times and toss it.

If I know that, don't you think the terrorists know it?

More recently, we learned that several of the major telephone companies have turned over complete calling records to the NSA. No, no, no, it's all good, said the sad excuse for a man who lives in the White House these days, just looking for patterns that indicate an incipient attack. Nothing for you to worrry about, little lady.

"The privacy of ordinary Americans is fiercely protected in all our activities," Bush said in a statement he read to reporters at the White House. "Our efforts are focused on links to al Qaeda and their known affiliates."

Yeah, sure, because I know about disposable cell phones, but al Qaeda, an organization clever enough to plan and execute the events of 9/11, hasn't figured that one out yet.

Now reporters have been told their cell phones calls are being tracked. National security, you know. Gotta find the leakers(aka whistleblowers). Danger! Danger! 9/11! 9/11! 9/11!

Super secret, ultrageek link for whistleblowers. Call it my gift to democracy:
http://www.tracfone.com/home_page.jsp?b=n&flash=YES&p=W
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 10:34 AM
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1. Pssst... I have one of those.
Works good. Works good.

:thumbsup:
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 11:02 AM
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12. me too!
i sure wasn't thinking about the nsa when i signed up, it was just more practical for me since i don't use very much airtime. geez, i'm a smarter shopper than i thought. :thumbsup:
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 11:20 AM
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14. Good for you...
Isn't it nice when something just sort of works out?
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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 10:38 AM
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2. Amen Sister!
and to think of all the money wasted on the program itself - the salaries, overhead and expense of implementing such a fricking waste of time....if what they say is true, "just looking for patterns that indicate an incipient attack" - what in the hell are they going to do with all that information? I have a hard enough time as it is figuring out our cell phone bill in determining what calls my husband used for business...idiot assholes...
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catmandu57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 10:43 AM
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3. One more government boondoggle
brought to you by the party of small government.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 10:44 AM
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4. Messin' with NSA's Panopticon Program and with Bush's Backwash Apologists
Messin' with NSA's Panopticon Program and with Bush's Backwash Apologists

So, what's the most important thing we know about the NSA's Panopticon Datamining Program?

The program tracks every call made from person-to-person and looks for patterns.

The don't just want to know if you are calling Al Queda. They want to know if anyone you call is calling Al Quaeda.

On one of the news programs (I think it was Countdown) there was an expert who explained that they were looking for "intermediaries."

For example, if I call Al Quada and ask, "Is it safe?" and then hang-up and call Dr. Mohammed Hess, DDS, and say, "It's safe."

The NSA can then go and track every call Dr. Hess makes, and investigate them for terrorist ties.

It's like The NSA wanted to uncover the telephone prayer-chains and call-trees of your church.

So, here's one way to Fuck With The NSA:

More:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1193179&mesg_id=1193179

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Brazenly Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 10:50 AM
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5. Mucking up the signal-to-noise ratio
I love it! :rofl:
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 10:53 AM
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7. And also pointing the fingers at their own fellow-travelers
I mean, they've got nothing to hide, right? Why should they worry?

After being tortured in Gitmo for a few weeks, it'll all be straightened out as an innocent misunderstanding.

Step 1: Call Al Quaeda
Step 2: Call Bill O'Reilly on his private phone line
Step 3: Call Questionable Muslim Charity
Step 4: Call local bigshot GOP Donor at home

Repeat every day right after one of the traditional times Muslims pray to Mecca.

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flobee1 Donating Member (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 10:54 AM
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8. And I'm sure
That the terrorists haven't figured out how to use programs like mIRC either.


OOPS! just leaked sensitive info that could aid the terrorists!
:sarcasm:
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 10:50 AM
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6. Terrorists haven't figured out not to buy one-way tickets with cash
if they want to avoid extra security.

Terrorists and smugglers also haven't figured out that if your boarding pass is marked "SSSS" at the bottom, you should turn around and go home, because you've been singled-out for extra security.

Oh, they must be SoOoOOoOooo dumb!

But if your flight is canceled, and everyone on your plane needs to be re-assigned to other flights, then everyone gets a pat-down!

Oh, and I don't think terrorists are going to be putting bombs in their shoes anymore.

You know where they might hide them? Inside breast implants. Better start giving free mammograms at the airport!

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flobee1 Donating Member (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 10:57 AM
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9. Better start giving free mammograms at the airport!
Where do I apply for the job?!
sign me up!
:rofl:
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rustydog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 10:58 AM
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10. Randi Rhodes stated last night that ChoicePoint
the data company that scrubbed blacks from voter rolls with a 70-some percent error rate, has the contracr to collate the datamining of our phone calls.

They are going to cross refrence them with cell phones, work phones, address, medical records,credit reports and applications...

This is, as Randi said last night, poindexter's Total Information program (TIPS)!

These bastards have created a Gestapo. Who do they come for first? The reporters or the Whistle blowers, then the Op-Ed writers then the citizens with the balls to write letters to the editors.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 11:02 AM
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11. Phone + 60 minutes for 20 bucks...
And it drops easily into any trash can or sewer grate:



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flobee1 Donating Member (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 11:12 AM
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13. not to mention
that you can have a phone # for California when you actually live on the other side of the country.

thats cheap enough that the number could change daily
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