What about the Canadian border?

[earthmama]

If NG are going to the US/mexico border, why are they not going to the Canadian border as well? Not that I want them there or at the US/MEX border but it doesn't make sense.

Also what about the ports, I am sure alot of 'illegals' can come via the ports.

It seems to me that they are targeting Hispanics only.

And about this guess worker program is it only for onlt the illegals that are Hispanic or all illegals in the usa?

[uppityperson]

1. no body bad ever comes into the USA from Canada, you silly person

at least, not economically and remember, the Almighty Dollar is God.

[earthmama]

3. silly I am

:silly:

[uppityperson]

14. Was on a BC-WA ferry yesterday, 1 Rassam came on 7 yrs ago

thinking about the fact that someone who wanted to kill my friends was there, wondering where he sat, what he did, thanking the small town customs/immigration/whatever they were for catching him and his car of highly volatile explosives.

[earthmama]

19. i remember something happening like

that somewhere along the quebec/usa border.

[Inland]

2. It's a sham.

The entire thing. While I believe in border security, port security, even ID, I'm not so stupid that I can't see the intentional failure built into Bush's proposals from the inception.

[bdamomma]

4. those are white people from the Canadian border

this is true insanity, the US is becoming a fortress, send those National Guardsmen to the border to guard, all you need is one disgruntled guardsmen who has PTSD and all hell will break loose.

[earthmama]

6. i am afraid of that

something going wrong. And we all know with * something WILL go wrong.

[Tesha]

9. Well, some are Frenchies. But they're white too.

(Do I really need le mot ":sarcasm:"?)

[earthmama]

11. Hey ... my mom is quebecois

[IntravenousDemilo]

20. And you know what....

Latinos are white, too, at least the Spanish part of them. And the part that's native American? Well, in comparison, we whiteys are all immigrants -- guests. We shouldn't have any right to restrict the free movement of anyone of indigenous stock anywhere in the Americas. That's right, the Innu from arctic Canada should be able to travel freely all the way to Patagonia, no passports required, and likewise the Navajo to Nova Scotia, and so on.

[earthmama]

23. HABs fan i see...

anyway, i agree that we should be able to travel anywhere with freedom of no passports.

[IntravenousDemilo]

27. You bet. Go Habs. Next year.

And as far as freedom to travel anywhere, that should be the true meaning of globalism, shouldn't it? I mean, those people who are all fired up for globalization must know that it's not really globalization if only capital can move freely. Labour has to move freely as well.

[pagam]

5. good point

remember who we are dealing with. these people cannot chew gum and walk at the same time. They cannot worry about to different borders simultaenously. once the hyped has died down, we will not hear anything elseabout this issue .bushito will promote it as victory while he cuts their funding, and as soon as their is a problem, he will blame the border patrol, the cia or Bill Clinton and his mighty penis!

[El Fuego]

7. Every Canadian I know comes here legally.

I have known many Canadians who come here on 6 month visas. They go back and forth every six months as the law requires. (Just talking about people I know personally, may not reflect the habits of all Canadians.)

[earthmama]

10. but in logic

if you are going to protect one border why not the other one? People other then Canadians can cross the northern border and come here illegally.

And there are illegals here that are not hispanic.

[El Fuego]

22. That's true.

The Canadian border is now going to be the entry point of choice for non-Canadians (maybe terrorists) seeking to enter the U.S. illegally.

[Igel]

26. When in college I worked a scut

job producing hospital admission kits. Packaging urinals, emesis basins, and the like into neat little kits. We were in a corner of a warehouse. The rest of the warehouse was a pharmaceutical wholesaler.

The cheap plastic things we kept out in the open; at one point somebody over-ordered stock and there were pallets of the things stored outside under tarps, no guard. The drug wholesaler kept a small portion of its wares--thermometer covers, for example--out in the open. Any of us munchkins could go and pull the admission kit company's stock, same for the drug company munchkins.

The thermometers we put in some hospital admission kits--glass+mercury thermometers, for the more expensive kits--were kept under lock and key. The drug company kept most of its merchandise in a ceiling-to-floor wire cage. Fewer employees in each company had access to that stock.

But part of the drug wholesaler kept some of its merchandise in locked metal cabinets inside the wire cage. Very few drug company employees had access to that stock, it was carefully controlled.

But in logic, why all the protection for the amphetamines and narcotics, less for the the antibiotics, and very little for the cheap plastic basins? Perhaps if there were no problems in logistics, no greater costs for greater protection, all the merchandise had equal worth and was under equal threat of being stolen, it would have had equal protection. But few people wanted to steal the cheap and easily available basins, and a lot of people wanted to steal the expensive and restricted narcotics.

Limited resources, asymmetric problem, asymmetric response.

[Homer Wells]

8. I think this whole border issue is Bogus

a side issue which is supposed to make the King look decisive and wise to the Murikan people. He can espouse the "middle way", promoting guest worker status, while not going for total amnesty. The whole thing will fade quickly once the elections are over.
Haven't seen anyone really raising a lot of hell on Iraq in the MSM, and in fact they are doing their level best to ignore the Anti-War movement. I think it is all a ruse to distract the voters from the total failures of this administration in the Middle East, thereby, (hopefully for them)encouraging votes for Repugs in November.

[earthmama]

12. agree

[pagam]

16. Guest worker program

does anyone here remember the Braceros? Bushito believes in enforcing laws already on the books when it comes to gun control and hate crimes. But not when it comes to enforcing the laws that prohibit employers from hiring "ilegal immigrants" MARICON!!!!!

[IntravenousDemilo]

13. Don't worry, there aren't a lot of Canadians exactly beating down the door

wanting to be Americans. We already have plenty of Pizza Huts, Taco Bells, and Hollywood movies in Canada, plus disposable income -- not to mention a few things we Canucks aren't willing to give up, but which we'd have to.

[earthmama]

15. plus healthcare

thing I miss the most besides ketchup chips and coffee crisps.

[rodeodance]

17. shush!--keep em south. they came up here once but it died out (for now) an

d, i for one, want to keep it that way.

[Duer 157099]

18. When they start protecting that border, you will know

that it's to keep us IN, not anyone out. Berlin Wall redux

[High Plains]

21. It makes sense (provided you buy into the assumptions)

When it comes to illegal immigration, it is clearly the southern border that is the problem. Yes, others come through ports, and yes, some come legally and overstay. But it is immigration through the Mexican border that is the big issue, and deservedly so.

Bush's speech was only tangentially about border security; it was mainly about immigration. Yes, to be consistent, he should be flooding all borders and all ports with thousands of cops. But who really wants that? Not me.

I think this border security shit is just that. We've NEVER had a secure border and we've somehow managed to survive.

[glarius]

24. Just a point...Canadians are not escaping Canada looking for work.

Also, I wonder how many Americans still believe that the terrorists on 9/11 came over the Canadian border, as was reported on American TV in the beginning. The fact is NOT ONE of them came from Canada. All were in the U.S.A., living and learning to fly etc....
P.S....Here's a very funny video from Jon Stewart's the Daily Show. It's about one of the "Minutemen" in a small Vermont town who is watching the Canadian border....The video to click on is the second one of Jason Jones, called "Law and Border."
There will be a short commercial to watch first.

http://www.comedycentral.com/shows/the_daily_show/videos/jason_jones/index.jhtml

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

25. I just wish it would move about 200 miles south of where it is. Eh?

Wouldn't it be nice to be a second rate "power" minding our own business and leaving the rest of the world alone?