Conspiracy theory, leftist, extremist...Designed to shut you up!

[debbierlus]

I am not sure what happened on 9/11. I only know that many of the explanations given are not logical. Some contradict factual evidence(time-lines that are off, missing physical evidence from the Pentagon crash site, impossible structural damage that could be caused by a 747)....Others raise serious suspicion (why didn't Norad respond, why did the flight control tapes get crushed and torn up and thrown in seperate garbage containers?) Any logical, thinking, objective human being would question the official 9/11 story. This was a huge tragedy for this country. The American people deserve truthful answers. The FAMILIES deserve honest answers.

The 9/11 story does not compute.

Never accuse anyone of being a conspiracy theorist (in the negative, usual way - after all, many conspiracy theories turn out to be true!) Make sure you listen to their logic, evidence, and reason.

[mod mom]

1. heck of a lot of coincidences lead back to BFEE-just saying...

:hide:

[treestar]

12. Please explain BFEE - newbie here can't figure that one out

[Pithy Cherub]

14. bush Family Evil Empire

Look up Octafish's posts...;)

[treestar]

16. Thank you!

[Odin2005]

2. * is too incompetent for MIHOP, IMO.

:popcorn:

[Dunvegan]

3. Aside from 911...in general...* is not the one steering...PNAC is.

And they and the hyper-wealthy and the global corporations are not stupid.

Bush = Puppet.

[MADem]

6. I concur! But laziness and inattentiveness have always been his

strong suit!

[mod mom]

7. I didn't delve into researching "conspiracies" until I witnessed the '04

theft in Ohio. We have been called conspiracy theorists despite the mountain of evidence that courts refuse to review. I would bet my life on what I know I witnessed. Is it incompetence or by design?

[debbierlus]

10. Exactly! Why is talking about factual and objective evidence

A conspiracy!

I try to put it this way to people....

Okay...

Here is the scenario.

A country has an election. Two major political parties, one party in complete control of the government at the current time. Districts that lean to the minority party are denied enough voting machines. They are also denied enough absentee ballots. Machines across the nation make constant error registering the majority party canidate when the voter tries to vote for the minority party canidate. Interestingly, these errors ALWAYS come up in the majority candidates favor. Computer experts at leading universities have proven that the machines being used can be hacked by an outside source. And, the CEO of the company that produces the machines promises to deliver the election to the majority candidate in the very state that experiences the most problems on election day.

Would you trust that the results from this election would be accurate?

And, they always say 'OF COURSE NOT'

And, then I say - Really. Because the above scenario is EXACTLY what happened in 2004. But, you don't question that election?

Usually, they just stammer. Or, try to deny it is true. But, I have so much documentation, I just e-mail them a few articles and links.

And, hence. Another convert!

[Odin2005]

20. Election fraud is a very plausable conspiracy.

The "PNAC is behind everything" thing on the other hand is just version 1,535,443 of the "shadowy forces (Illuminati, Freemasons, Zionists, Reds, take your pick) ruling everything behind the scenes" rubbish. I am not denying that PNAC and related corporatist think tanks are dangerous, though.

[Vidar]

15. Absolutely, but his handlers aren't.

[tatertop]

4. I agree. Until real investigation is allowed we will not know

[treestar]

13. It amazes me how little investigation was done, for something that

is so used to get us to accept the world to change forever based on it.

[Warpy]

5. Few conspiracy theories ever turn out to be true

since most of them involve superhuman abilities, perfect planning, the ability to keep everyone's mouth shut for years after the fact, and often suspending the laws of physics.

Having said this, I find myself in the LIHOP camp on 9/11, suspecting the gang in power of instigating the anthrax mailings, convinced that the election system is rotten to the core, and fully aware that the Warren Report was the biggest coverup in US history before 9/11, that Jack Ruby was the giveaway there, although I realize I know few particulars.

I'd just prefer that our more creative conspiracists realize that they're a lot more intelligent than any Repug and that although they could come up with a conspiriacy theory, the dull witted crooked bidnessmen in power probably could not possibly have dreamed up anything nearly as intricate.

[debbierlus]

8. Why would Bush have to dream it up, CHENEY is President

Bush is NOTHING but a front man.

[KurtNYC]

9. Few conspiracy theories ever turn out to be true ... ?

the Bay of Pigs Invasion
Pearl Harbor LIHOP
the Reichstag Fire
the exit wound on the back of JFK's head, even though he was allegedly shot only from behind
the relentless investigations and impeachment of Clinton
Enron's manipulation of California energy prices/markets

...and there are many more. Truth is often stranger than fiction and harder to believe.

[treestar]

11. Wasn't the Gulf of Tonkin incident also exposed as sham?

[TahitiNut]

17. Well, al-Qaeda is nothing but a 'conspiracy theory' imho.

:shrug:

[coalition_unwilling]

19. It has always smelled (since 9/13/01) to me like an intel

"black ops," not like something the devotees of Mammon cobbled together single-handedly.

If memory serves, the CIA and JCS had cooked up a similar plot to force JFK to invade Castro's Cuba ("Operation Northwoods," if memory serves), whereby we would, among other nifty black ops tactics, paint a military plane as a fake U.S. civilian airliner to get Cubans to shoot it down, thereby giving us a pretext to invade Cuba. JFK and RFK shut down the kooky plan in the debacle after the Bay of Pigs, which may have helped get him\them assassinated.

[coalition_unwilling]

18. David Ray Griffin, in "The New Pearl Harbor," makes the

compelling point that the official 9/11 narrative is, itself, contingent upon a conspiracy theory (of osama bin laden and al quaida terrorists). So one is forced to choose amongst competing conspriacy theories.

The physicis of burning jet fuel (1200 degrees Fahrenheit maximum) and the physicis of steel-framed buildings (steel doesn't start to lose its structural integrity until it reaches about 1500 degrees Fahrenheit, I think) argue against one of the lynch pins of the official narrative, that fires caused by the airliners brought the WTC buildings down. If so, it would be the first time in human history that fire had brought down a steel-framed building, including the central steel columns at the core of WTC 1 and 2.

The "Frontline" explanation of how the buildings floors pancaked one on top of the other also does not hold up under close scrutiny either, given the physics of the law of gravity and the speed with which the buildings collapsed.

That right there is enough to call for an independent investigation.

[LoZoccolo]

21. I will accuse someone of being a conspiracy theorist...

...if their theory has these features:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory#Features

It is careless to promote fallacy.

The proven conspiracies differ from the ones I criticize for just that reason: proof.