RECTOR: They are getting a great benefit by citizenship in the United States, they're not going home.
DOBBS: And very quickly, the White House response suggests that you've counted some new immigrants twice, first as guest workers then as green cardholders.
RECTOR: The act is very clear that the guest worker program they get green cards and legal permanent residence without any reflection to the other caps and the builders. No mention of that. They're creating a fictitious cap in order to artificially reduce the number of the apparent number of people coming in because they are embarrassed.
DOBBS: Right. Bottom line, what is your best estimate right now as to the explosion in legal immigration under this so-called reform legislation in the Senate?
RECTOR: Even after the amendments, which pull the number down considerably, we're still talking about 66 million legal immigrants coming into the United States over the next 20 years. At the end of 20 years, close to one-quarter of the population in the United States will be foreign-born. That's a rate of immigration far beyond anything ever in our history.
DOBBS: Do you find it amazing that this Senate does not know how many illegal aliens are in this country? The estimates range from usually 11 million to 12 million to 20 million. But no one really knows. And that there are no numerical caps put on any part of that amnesty provision, none whatsoever?
And, secondly, that there is no national dialogue, no national vision of what this country should look like over the course of the next 25 years, the types and the education and the nations of origin for the people we will be bringing to this nation of immigrants.
RECTOR: Absolutely. It's even worse than that. Senator Sessions initially called attention to this issue because the Senate itself has no idea of how much it's increasing legal immigration, has no notion of these numbers. This was really a stealth open border bill. They wanted to sneak this through without anyone knowing.
DOBBS: Well, a few of us did notice. And Robert Rector, we thank you for paying close attention. We hope you come back soon, as we explore an issue that is certainly far from resolution irrespective of whether or not the Senate marches ahead with its rather arbitrary, even capricious deadline of Memorial Day to come to some sort of legislative conclusion. We thank you very much, Robert Rector.
RECTOR: Thank you.
DOBBS: Coming up next -- and I should point out, as Robert Rector said, Senator Jeff Sessions first brought attention to this issue, and today again Senator Sessions saying that his colleagues in the U.S. Senate should be ashamed.
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