The immigration issue is very complex

[mdmc]

for instance, I have a neo-con friend of the family. He is a bushbot TO THIS DAY! He has many immigrant workers in his employment and thinks that they are the best that America has to offer (strong community, family and work ethics).

I know poor people that are split on the issue.

The poor bigots are split between their traditional love of w. and hating people that are different from them.

And, of course, we are a country of laws. It is a very complex issue.

[madeline_con]

1. Yes, it is.

DUH-bya wants illegals to speak English.

He didn't say that, according to Gonzalez.

He sez let them in to work.

They shot them at the border.

:shrug:

[MadMaddie]

2. Yes you are right....and that is the tradgedy behind all of this

childish foolishness by the Repugs.....

They start throwing out bad legislation like they always have for the last 12 years and they don't think about the repurcusions......1 year or 2 years or many more years down the road...

[sam sarrha]

3. one issue not discussed is the 'Family' they will bring over when they get

citizenship, estimates i heard for who they can bring over now will be up to an Extra 88,000,000 to 100,000,000 Mexican migrants in less 20 years..that is besides the migrants that get citizenship, just the people they can get residency for as citizens. mom, dad, siblings and their families and kids.. they have big families that will be over 25% of the population of the US population, and the boarder issue will still not be settled, and as manny will be given amnesty again..

that will create a plutacracy in Mexico of the richest of the rich and that is the plan.. and has been for a long time

are we prepared to deal with the housing bubble and massive unemployment this will cause, and the infrastructure problems,demands for fuel and such that is already short in supply.. our middle class will be worse off than the poor in RIO, there is double digit unemployment already..and inflation

we are facing a serious population problems which equals environmental problems, where are they or we going to get jobs, what will rent and morgages be with a 20% shortage in housing.

this isnt being thought out at all..

[mdmc]

5. I'm actually thinking of retiring in mexico

it will be the only place i can afford...if that...

it does need more thought..

[sam sarrha]

8. i lived in El Paso.. you will retire to a shallow grave down there..

[PsN2Wind]

6. Many here would prefer

to ignore the family reunification aspect and the impact it will have.

[sam sarrha]

7. on the other hand if we do send them all back it will start a revolution in

mexico and start a civil war agaist the Fascist/narco government..

could even start a democracy down there finally

[PsN2Wind]

9. I wouldn't mind seeing them

expending the same energy to make their own countries grant them the rights they demand here. Of course, they and we realize that our government is much more compliant to the demands of persons here illegally than their governments are to their lawful citizens.

[The Traveler]

4. Actually, it is quite simple

Enforce the law. OK, but also recognize we have people here we must deal with and in a very real sense many, many of them are already US. I remember a free country of individualists who chose to stand together and be a nation. In that tradition, we must bring these people into the embrace of our law and make them our own, and become theirs.

While we do that, seal the damn border and get some control over this. Mexico and other nations have no right to export the consequences of the corruption, greed and indifference of their elites to the United States. And we have no obligation to accept those consequences. And perhaps if the desperate had to stay home they would rise up and thereby better the lot of their brethern.

Of course, it would be useful if certain elements of our own government could be persuaded not to support those same greedy, corrupt elites that have done so much to create these problems in the first place.

Control our borders. Accept those who are already with us. Stand for justice. Be good neighbors. Don't be either a door mat or a bully. Seems simple enough to me. Vive Chavez.