I need a response to this RW idiotic rant.

[azmouse]

"Enron (and several other companies) execs cooked their books under the Clinton administration to help build that 'false' economy he was so proud of... and oh, by the way, it was the Bush's administration, the SEC that investigated Enron and so many other companies we keep hearing about and are responsible for bringing all their fraudulent activities to light. But hey what difference will that make, right? Everyone knows everything that happened leading up to 9/11 and all the 1990s corporate raiding was all Bush's fault, even though he had barely taken office at the time all these things occurred."


This is from a non-political message board where I post so I need a brief response. It just pisses me off to hear shit like this. What would you say as a response?

[Lars39]

1. They asserted,they have to prove.

[Hand]

2. Oh, lemme see...

Political contributions, Bush Pioneers, "Kenny Boy", the list is endless...

[gordianot]

3. Did Bill Clinton deny he knew Kenny Boy?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

4. Ken Lay had his own desk in the Bush WH.

[azmouse]

6. He did?

Is that for real? I'd never heard anything like that.

[ClassWarrior]

5. "Prove it... with links." And then I'd hound the jerk for proof...

...every day until he/she starts to fry.

NGU.

[bowens43]

7. How about 'Go f*ck yourself , moron'?

It is not possible to reason with a bushbot.

[azmouse]

9. That's probably the best response.

Anyone that would still defend * is too far gone to be reasoned with. I just don't want others to think his spewings contain any truth.

[BoneDaddy]

8. Richard Clark

Read Richard Clark's latest book (forget the name) about the transfer of power from Clinton and what Bush neglected when he took office. Clinton had terrorism as part of his "top five" issues of most importance. Bush dismantled and ignored much of what Clinton had done (which was alot) re: terrorism. Bush ignored a PDB presidential daily briefing that stated specifically... The Taliban determined to strike the USA. He pretty much ignored it, meanwhile even a cursory search or investigation into the matter would have revealed FBI reports about Muslims pilot plans that were highly suspicious because the terrorists wanted only how to fly and not to take off or land. That is a huge mistake.

[azmouse]

11. This is good too!

Thanks!

[reichstag911]

16. It's not Clarke's "latest,"...

...but what you're thinking of is Against All Enemies. His latest is a novel on the Middle East entitled The Scorpion's Gate.

[BoneDaddy]

29. Another

book to add to my list...thanks for the correction.

[librechik]

28. oh, you mean that liberal traitor?

sorry, people like the one you are responding to will not credit Clarke with anything.

Just say, look, we aren't talking about Clinton. What did Bush do that was so good? And if it was so good, why have all his brilliant plans failed miserably and why are his ratings lower than a snake's patoot?

If he's so great, why does he have to borrow money from the Chinese to keep his Iraq invasion going? At least Clinton, for all his tricks, left a surplus that Sonny blew within months of getting elected?

Why didn't he do his job? "Bin Laden determined to attack" time for a vaction? Why did Congress ridicule Clinton for going after Bin Laden? "No war for Monica" Bad "War cuz he tried to kill mah daddy" Righteous. Huh?

Me I'd just ignore this clown.

[Gregorian]

10. If anything, Enron was a drag on the economy.

Isn't it maddening to see these so-called conservative idiots who simply have to prove how right they are? I have avoided politics except over here. But lately I've just peered into some forums, and it's just pathetic. Racist, bigot, homophobe, Bush loving clowns. But downright mean and cocky.

I will say right off that I don't know much about how Enron affected the economy. But I can guess that they were hoarding the money to themselves. I imagine that Enron was insignificant in terms of the overall economy. And one good argument is the HUGE deficit that was left for Clinton. He had to overcome the irresponsible people who just left it in his lap.

If he's going to blab about 9/11, you have a can of worms so big you can bury the guy. Way to big to even go into here. I wish there were a way to open the minds of these people. They're sick. If they weren't belligerent, it would be tolerable.

Best of luck. You aren't alone.

[azmouse]

17. This guy is a real piece of shit.

He spews the RW party line all the time. But get this, he's married and hits on all the young women who post at the message board claiming his wife doesn't want to have sex with him. Hypocrisy thy name is Republikkkan.

[lpbk2713]

20. Credit to his wife for apparently showing good taste....... n/t

[orwell]

12. Clinton...

...is no longer President so he is not relevant.

All government statistics are cooked to make career politicians look better. It has been going on for decades if not longer.

Stop shifting the focus. The Republicans have controlled all branches of government for years. It is cowardice for those who claim to be the "Party of Responsibility."

Put up or shut up.

[Rosemary2205]

13. I'd ignore it as pointless flamebait

if you really must respond just point out it's pointless flamebait - either than or point out the post doesn't belong on a non political board and would be better suited for freep central.

[lpbk2713]

14. They get these TP's from assholes like Limbore

and then repeat it as though it were from God's lips to their ears. They don't have a functional brain, they simply repeat what they hear.

[jedicord]

15. The SEC under Bush isn't what brought Enron to light.

It was the stocks plummeting and everyone at the company losing their job. That's when the SEC started investigating, and the other similar investigations were related to Enron and its aftermath.

It was the planes tearing into the buildings that made Bush quit reading "My Pet Goat" and take a gander at the infamous "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in the USA".

Then quietly bring up Bush's role at Harken. Cheney's Energy Task Force, behind closed doors with the oil companies.

How about WMDs, uranium tubes, Saddam/Al Queda connections?

Sheesh, I'm just getting started!

But then your opponent will bring up the Clenis, so ... what's the use?

[Mandate My Ass]

18. Yes, plus Arthur Andersen was helping them hide the damage

until they could loot everything.

Arthur Andersen was convicted of obstruction of justice for its role in the Enron collapse. However, the Supreme(ly corrupt) Court overturned the conviction last year.

http://www.marketwatch.com/News/Story/Story.aspx?guid=%7B2A0AE39F%2D2EA1%2D4B8F%2DA5EE%2D8FF613AAC634%7D&siteid=google&dist=

Clenis, clenis, clenis! :woohoo:

[sallyseven]

23. Enron screwed the electricity cos.

in California and then Davis lost his job. The repukes have no morals at all the energy prices went through the roof and Kenny boy laughed with his friends. I hope they find him guilty.

[Warpy]

19. Well, he's right about most of the cooking happening under Clinton

but the current gang actively supported Enron in looting California when it looked like the house of cards was about to collapse. Only when Jeffords defected, giving Democrats a majority in the Senate and the ability to pursue an investigation of the looting of California did the looting stop. Deprived of that cash flow, Enron could do nothing but collapse under its own weight.

Investigations didn't start until AFTER the collapse. It's been 5 years and Lay is still free as a wee birdie. That doesn't speak well of the current administration's priorities when it comes to massive white collar crime.

The last statement about 9/11 was nonsensical and puts your friend into Sunday's Doonesbury cartoon.

[zulchzulu]

21. Enron has links to Reagan/Bush Crime Family...case closed...period.

I'd say Enron and Kenny Lay actually was doing dirty deeds during the Reagan Administration and had strong ties to Daddy Bush...bzzzzt....Reagan is responsible for the whole nightmare of deregulation in the energy industries, among others.

Then I'd coldcock punch the simple fuckhead in the mouth and get rid of whatever teeth are occupying his stenchy piehole.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Lay

# 1985: Enron formed by merger of Houston Natural Gas and InterNorth
# 1990: Chairman of the board and chief executive officer, Enron co-chairman, organizing committee for G-7 summit
# 1992: Co-chairman, President Bush Re-election Committee chairman, 1992 Republican National Convention, Houston
# 1992: Assists with campaign of Sheila Jackson-Lee to defeat Congressman Craig Washington
# 2001: Jeffrey Skilling becomes CEO of Enron for a few months
# 2002: Amid extreme pressure, Lay resigns as Enron CEO, leaves board

[PassingFair]

22. I had to REALLY DIG for this, but I KNEW it would come in handy...

someday. Enjoy:

As usual, the culprit was the Repiglican congress (surprise):


In 1995 a law shielding outside accountants, law firms,
CEO's and Directors from liabilities for FALSE CORPORATE
REPORTING was passed OVER CLINTON'S VETO.

The same year, they froze the SEC budget.

The SAME YEAR,
Clinton's SEC Chief, Arthur Levitt, proposed barring accounting firms from
consulting for the very firms they were auditing. The lobbyist who
spearheaded the accounting industries campaign against the Levitt Proposal
was none other than Harvey Pitt,

BUSH'S PICK FOR HEAD OF THE SEC.

Read up on Harvey Pitt.

Tell your freeper that the puke congress set the system up
to rip-off upon the ascension of the Chimperor.

Make sure he knows that the apparatus to steal was erected
by the PUKE CONGRESS, over Clinton's EXPRESS VETO.

You may send this to him as is, if you want!

:hi:

[azmouse]

24. Thanks for the info.

This is good stuff! :)

[PassingFair]

26. The crap they PRINTED

I surprised BushCo didn't bring him back from obscurity.
They felt he was a hot potato at the time.
They have grown stronger, much stronger and bolder since then.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/companies/regulation/2002-11-05-pitt-resigns_x.htm

[EC]

25. Go back in history when Bush was govenor and how

he helped Kenny Boy with deregulation etc. in Texas...had nothing to do with who was Pres. but who was Gov of Texas had everything to do with it...


http://www.thenation.com/blogs/capitalgames?bid=3&pid=21


http://www.yuricareport.com/PoliticalAnalysis/FraudinWhiteHouse.htm

[Dora]

27. Sherron Watkins was the Enron whistleblower, not the SEC.

:eyes:

[libhill]

30. How about

it's all over for you repuke mfrs, so get a life and give it a rest...

[Ganja Ninja]

31. Didn't Bush use the Enron corporate jet for campaign 2000?

And didn't Ken Lay donate 3 dollars to republican's for every dollar he gave to a democrat?