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Thu Jan-12-06 11:14 PM
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Democrats DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO LOSE by filibuster |
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But a lot to lose by NOT filibustering. What's their FUCKIN PROBLEM
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Thu Jan-12-06 11:16 PM
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1. What do you mean nothing to lose... |
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they may need get a french kiss from scrub if they support a filibuster.
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Thu Jan-12-06 11:18 PM
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2. Right. If they actually filibuster, the worst that could happen |
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is that they couldn't filibuster anymore.
Which they don't do now, out of fear of not being able to filibuster. The solution?
Find a good goddamned reason to filibuster, and see it through to the sweet end.
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Fri Jan-13-06 12:05 AM
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17. Actually, the worst that could happen is that a bunch of them lose |
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their seats and we lose ground on trying to take back the Senate.
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Fri Jan-13-06 10:28 AM
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37. And how is that going to happen? |
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Democrats will refuse to vote for them because they actually showed some spine and fought:wtf:
Sorry, but the Dems have a much greater chance of losing their seats if they don't filibuster, because if they don't fight, their leftist base will either vote them out in the primary, or bolt the party completely in '06 and '08.
Sorry, but you're just not making sense on this one friend, everybody loves a fighter, even if they lose, people want to see them at least go down swinging.
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Fri Jan-13-06 10:34 AM
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38. Lemme guess, they should "keep their powder dry" |
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for some mythical time where it really counts? Sigh. Well they have a storehouse of powder, their people are starving and the village is overrun with beasts. I guess they should wait, right?
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Fri Jan-13-06 11:15 AM
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40. Er, how would the opposition party lose by acting like the opposition? |
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As I see it, they're setting themselves up for a huge loss by NOT acting like the opposition. It's demoralizing to all democrats. It won't get out the vote.
Unless, of course, you believe that only RWers vote.
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Thu Jan-12-06 11:21 PM
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filibustering doesn't come with much of as much of a cost right now, with Bush poll numbers way down and with Alito such a poor nominee (ignore the media fluff about him, he sucks).
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Thu Jan-12-06 11:21 PM
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4. KICK! FILIBUSTER or DIE!!! |
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Thu Jan-12-06 11:29 PM
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Thu Jan-12-06 11:24 PM
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Click for Senate FAX numbersSend them FAXes. Make them understand how important this is.
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Thu Jan-12-06 11:33 PM
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Did this before, did so many petitions, wrote so many times... glutton for punishment I guess!!
I'll wait til the AM... it's getting late here.
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Thu Jan-12-06 11:25 PM
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6. Patience. I agree, but we have to wait until the hearings are over |
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and the committee votes.
Then when it hits the floor, that will be the time. AT this point there is nothing to filibuster yet.
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Thu Jan-12-06 11:26 PM
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If they won't or can't filibuster Alito, then what is their purpose? To get red in the face and wag a finger? The Dems have got to show some collective balls or they might as well go home...
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Thu Jan-12-06 11:28 PM
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the word on Spineless St. is that the corporate media will smear the poor dems so horribly if they do filibuster, that they'll have no hope in this year's elections.
or something like that.
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Thu Jan-12-06 11:38 PM
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13. They'll lose the 2006 elections if they DON'T filibuster |
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there will be no better way to demoralize the base and make the majority of us throw up our hands in despair and say "fuck it all, I'm voting third party" than if they just sit by and let the fascists have their way AGAIN.
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Fri Jan-13-06 05:22 AM
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The base isn't all that worked up about. We here at DU don't represent the base. Anyone who votes third party because of this is an idiot. Voting third party is what gave us this.
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Fri Jan-13-06 06:11 AM
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34. You "battered spouses" need to wake up |
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Out of whatever trance you're living in. This idea that mounting Republican scandals will send votes our way by default is ridiculous at best (and dangerous at worst).
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Fri Jan-13-06 11:11 AM
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every democrat I know is "worked up" about it, and most of them only get their news from the MSM.
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Fri Jan-13-06 12:31 AM
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22. They smear them anyway, what would be different about that? |
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What I'm worried about is that if they get rid of Alito, Bush will just pick someone worse. This won't end even with a successful filibuster.
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Thu Jan-12-06 11:29 PM
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9. Word. We have nothing to lose in any of these endeavors |
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Why do we keep acting like the long time champion who is afraid to take a risk? Our championship is long past and we never radical tactics to get it back.
We need to speak the truth about Alito, the wrietapping, electronic voting, the fucked up war, ALL OF IT.
:rant: End rant.
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Fri Jan-13-06 06:05 AM
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32. Filibuster is the right format to put everything on the table |
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I still don't know if it is right or wrong, but think of the newsworthiness of calling the "Culture of Corruption" devotees on their crimes and threat of the Nuclear Option :nuke: .
I hate to feel that the dems. need to walk on eggshells all the time. Hit them on Torture Pre-emptive Wars of Choice What really happened on 911? What is the Saudi connnection to 911? Potential War Crimes Wiretapping Stolen Elections Attempting to destroy the UN and America's standing in the world and if they have time-joke- the magic bullet theory Abramoff- Delay - Kenny Boy - Califawneeyaa Energy crisis GFY cheney's Energy/War meetings
Not necessarily in that order. Over my shoulder, Don Imus is saying that Teddy Kennedy is coming on. :patriot:
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Fri Jan-13-06 10:08 AM
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35. I agree wholeheartedly. |
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Now just to get some more Senate Dems on board.
Take a stand, already. Why is it so hard? Can anyone explain?
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Thu Jan-12-06 11:33 PM
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11. We have alot to lose if we DON'T fillibuster. |
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20 to 30 years of Rightwing wacko's stripping the middle class of what few remaining freedoms we have.
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Fri Jan-13-06 05:23 AM
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27. filibustering will not stop the nomination. |
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Thu Jan-12-06 11:41 PM
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We won't lose seats in the senate. There are no Republican candidates! They can't recruit anyone!
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Thu Jan-12-06 11:41 PM
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WHEN? What are they saving it for?
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Thu Jan-12-06 11:50 PM
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16. AMEN!!! FILIBUSTER NOW!!! |
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Fri Jan-13-06 12:17 AM
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18. I think they don't yet have the votes to filibuster. |
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Count on some Dems like Nelson to vote for confirmation. Dems would need some help, and Olympia Snowe says she is voting to confirm.
You can't have a filibuster without the votes. The fight is in the next few days when this thing goes to the Senate floor on a partisan split in the Judiciary Committee. Maybe a few of the Republicans that have expressed concern over illegal wiretapping, and who are pro-choice .. Arlen Specter ... will give serious thought to voting against Alito. Although, he'll certainly vote him out of Committee.
Was it just me, or did anyone else feel that the tension between Arlen Specter and Ted Kennedy was more than just about a letter. Ted Kennedy's brother was gunned down in Dallas, and Arlen Specter created the Magic Bullet Theory for the Warren Commission, the official body that covered up the truth about that murder.
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Fri Jan-13-06 12:20 AM
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19. A police state is what we'll have if they don't stop this confirmation... |
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Fri Jan-13-06 12:26 AM
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20. They will lose their growing reputation as cowards and Bush enablers. |
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Fri Jan-13-06 05:26 AM
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They have to play this stratigically not be ruled bu knee jerk reactions. Filibustering will not stop the appointment. It may however alienate many in the center who are leaning left.
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Fri Jan-13-06 01:17 PM
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42. I heard that kind of talk a lot during the last 3 elections that we lost. |
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Edited on Fri Jan-13-06 01:21 PM by Dr Fate
Looks like the strategists who lost the last 3 elections are keeping the faith.
Perhaps 4 is the charm, right?
I don't see how finally fighting Bush for once after 6 years is "knee-jerk."
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Fri Jan-13-06 12:30 AM
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21. K&R--Call your DEM Senator NOW...Demand Filibuster!!! |
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Fri Jan-13-06 12:41 AM
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23. Absolutely Proud!! That is such a great point. |
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That's it right there.
We have everything to lose if the Dems who keep caving, cave in again.
Great point.
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Fri Jan-13-06 12:45 AM
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24. Would they really use the "nookular" option? |
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Edited on Fri Jan-13-06 12:46 AM by Sydnie
With everything happening right now in the press, with the Abramoff scandal and such, would they really try that? They changed the rules once to protect Delay, now look where they are. They changed the rules back because it appeared like they were making them up as they went along to protect their own. If they launch this now, it is more fuel for the "culture of corruption", of them making the rules up as they go along. I think repugs have more to lose by fighting a filibuster than we do in calling for one. We are attempting to follow the rules. They are attempting to change them again to suit their agenda. It will backfire on the repugs if they do this.
I say, push the balls to the wall and filibuster this asshole.
edit- typos (I hate new keyboards!)
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Fri Jan-13-06 05:21 AM
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25. What do they have to lose by not filibustering? |
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Fri Jan-13-06 05:42 AM
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30. what happens if the Repubs pull the "nuclear option" ?? - what then? |
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It's dicey, really. The Dems can't win on a floor vote, so filibustering this turd is their only option. However, the Republicans and especially their base are chomping at the bit to beat the Dems down with a filibuster. Do they have the nerve? Are you kidding? Of course they do. The nuclear option will be applauded by their side and vilified by ours. Business as usual.
I just don't see a good outcome.
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Fri Jan-13-06 05:44 AM
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31. Backing down from a fight? |
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Fri Jan-13-06 03:36 PM
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43. no, Dems simply don't have the majority. |
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This is what happens when people steal elections and are allowed to get away with it.
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Fri Jan-13-06 06:06 AM
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33. Only any elections going forward |
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Nobody in their right mind is going to vote for a democrat who obviously doesn't stand up for SHIT. No, what you're going to have come November is a LOT of people who said "I held my nose and voted Republican--at least they stand for something".
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Fri Jan-13-06 11:23 AM
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41. I've heard that line far too often |
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from people I know how are liberal in everything but name. They just can't be convinced that the Democrats stand for anything because "all they do is whine-they never fight for an issue". Basically what these people want is an identity, so they go with the winning party that displays a strong (but evil and corrupt) identity. It's truly sick.
I honestly don't understand WHY our dem leadership believes that taking a stand and fighting for anything will "hurt them in coming elections". Apparently they remain convinced that elections can only be won by being the candidate that's "not quite as bad as the other guy".
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Fri Jan-13-06 05:37 AM
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29. That's the way I see it too. They better wake the hell up NOW!! |
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Fri Jan-13-06 10:24 AM
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36. I'm sorry, did the floor vote start today? |
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I'm just saying!
Reid was just said that he's asked that democrats NOT COMMENT ON THEIR VOTES at this time.
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