Rove will likely never go to jail or face any punishment, indicted or not.

[Philosoraptor]

Sad but true, Bush has probably got a drawer full of pardons.

[babylonsister]

1. Link?

:popcorn: :rofl:

[Philosoraptor]

7. No link, just morbid speculation.

I think we are wasting too much time and beating ourselves into a frenzy awaiting news on Rove's possible indictment for crimes. They'll probably all skate, just look at history for the last 30 years, damn few ever pay for their crimes.

[H2O Man]

9. Looking at "history"

might include looking at Watergate.

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[babylonsister]

14. Hahahaha! Tony!

:D

[H2O Man]

2. Bush will not

be pardoning anyone.

[babylonsister]

16. H20 Man, I cannot tell you how that one sentence comforts me! nt

[H2O Man]

17. A month or two

before you joined DU, I posted a psychological profile of Mr. Rove on one of the infamous "Plame Threads." I noted on it that Mr. Rove had been identified as the "weak link" of the top dogs in the administration. Every good investigator looks at the group he/she is after, and identifies who the weak link is.

Things are good right now .... at least for our side.

[babylonsister]

23. You seem to be prescient! Where can I find that profile? Could

it be in your journal from that far back? And thank you for your reasoned optimism. I really enjoy reading how you have logically taken this ride with those of us who are not so logical!

[H2O Man]

24. I did not save

any of those old rantings. A few DUers have saved the old "Plame Threads," and I will ask a couple if they could locate that one in particular. I'd like to read it again, myself.

[DemReadingDU]

26. I would like to read this too.

Hopefully someone will find it for us.

[Spazito]

27. Your post about the previous, infamous "Plame Threads"

intrigued me and so I went back to find them:

This is what I have in terms of links:

This is the link to Plame Indictments #15 which contains the links to the previous 14 threads:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2123068

Thanks, H20 Man, for twigging me on this, I am again, astonished, at what is within those threads!

[stop the bleeding]

28. jeeze this should have it's own nomintation

I am adding this into the Research Forum where all of the Filings are.

[Spazito]

29. I will post some more archived threads re Plame Indictment

if you feel it would be worthwhile? I am finding the archived threads fascinating reading especially given all that has happened in the intervening two years.

Edited to add:

Plame Indictment #16 Treason

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2146652

PLAME INDICTMENTS #17-HIGH CRIMES & MISDEMEANORS-The Tip Of The Iceberg

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2178477

PLAME INDICTMENTS #18 -HIGH CRIMES & MISDEMEANORS-Tip of the Iceberg

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2191498

PLAME INDICTMENTS # 19 - HIGH CRIMES & MISDEMEANORS-The Tip Of The Iceberg

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2206963

PLAME INDICTMENT #20-High Crime & Misdemeanors-Tip of Iceberg-Edmonds-Khan

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2225780

There is much more if needed, just let me know.

[stop the bleeding]

30. yes I think that might help people have a better understanding of this

I am listing the Waterman Paper and American Judas there now

[Spazito]

32. More archived threads on Plame

Plastic Ono Plame

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2208623

Letter from a Region of My Mind

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2238085

More on PLAMEGATE...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2159749

The Bush Plame Scandal - documented

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1255547

H20Man: A Riveting Analysis Of Cheney

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5566546

If and when indictments come down in the Plame case,

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1902738

This is all I have at the moment, will search out more as time allows.

[electropop]

3. It's a race between impeachment and indictment.

If Bush is removed promptly, the situation will be much better. I think his party will dump him by August. It's every white middle aged wealthy man for himself at this point.

[Justice]

6. "It's every white middle aged wealthy man for himself at this point."

that is the best line - thank you for making my morning!

[Demeter]

4. Bush Cannot Pardon Himself

And I doubt that he could buy one from anyone who comes after him. And they are all eligible for war crimes prosecution, so there's always a higher international court to fall back on.

I'm not worried--they will get what's coming to them. All of them.

[NJ_Lib]

5. Well, doesn't that really depend on...

... what kind of trouble Rover is in...? If it's serious enough, I can't see Chimpy handing out a pardon right away. If he thought his pole numbers were low now, wait until he attempts this move... Who knows though, the Murkins may sleep through this one as well...

[Minnesota Libra]

8. I've thought that from the very beginning, which is why...............

......I don't even bother tracking Rove's indictment or non-indictment status. The whole Bush family has had "loyalty" pounded into their heads by the old lady since they were tiny.

[The2ndWheel]

10. What would ever give you that idea?

You must not live in America. Power answers to the people here!

What? Why are you laughing? It's true. Seriously.

[sendero]

12. I agree...

... but I'd still like to see him get what he's got coming, and force Bush to lose a few more hearts and minds by having to pardon an obviously guilty man.

[Philosoraptor]

13. As a newbie, I expect to be trounced on a bit, but....

I'm just stating my pessimistic opinion. We have a severe shortage of optimistic news lately.

[babylonsister]

15. My friend, as a newbie you are tasked with shoving

unrelenting optimism down our throats! Even if you're wrong! Get with the program! :eyes: :hi:

[GreenArrow]

20. newbie, old-timer

it makes no difference. I think you are right. Even should Rove be indicted and punished, in a few years time he will be back on the news talk shows as a respected guest commentator. He might even get his own show.

[novalib]

18. Could He Be Indicted After November, 2006?

When (not IF) we win back the Senate and the House of Representatives this November, we can impeach the entire corrupt Bush Cabal Regime -- Bush, Cheney -- the whole STINKING lot of them!

That way, it would be impossible for Bush to issue any pardon of Rove!

Maybe that's what Fitz is doing -- holding off on an indictment until it becomes IMPOSSIBLE for Junior to pardon Rove.

[Philosoraptor]

19. I hope you're right.

And I'm wrong.

[novalib]

21. HOPE for the BEST!

And the BEST would be for the ENTIRE corrupt, stinking, rotten, tyrannical Bush-Cheney-Rice-Rummyfeel-Roberts-Frist-Hastert Cabal Regime to fall -- and for all of them -- EVERY SINGLE ONE -- to be indicted and to be put in the dirtiest, rotten, prison there is!

[Philosoraptor]

22. His crimes are so much deeper than outing a spy, he's a mass murderer

He and all his playground buddies.

[marions ghost]

25. I honestly feel that

I don't know. :dilemma:

I'm watching this whole thing as a test of the system. I am skeptical that we have the mechanisms or the political will to make the criminal abusers pay. The legal system is not something I trust for a minute. But I want to keep an open mind and give it a 50-50 chance. If Fitzgerald can't do it by this route, it will not be for his lack of trying.

If we DO find that the punishment (or lack thereof) does not fit the crimes, then it is up to us to change that condition. You cannot deal with this type of vicious political criminal without playing hardball. The laws must have teeth, the resistance to obstructive tactics must be strong, the punishments swift and serious. Just to let them sink or swim in the public arena as a punishment does not work anymore. There is no concern about that, no embarrassment, no remorse. Only inconvenience. The repercussions must be something that they find VERY unpleasant. Being treated like a common criminal is a good start--they find being equated with the common man (ie. "riff-raff") the most devastating blow to their ego imaginable.

[sweetheart]

31. The public yakuza

No, some day in the future, when he least expects it, someone
*might* shoot him down with a shotgun in the street and leave him,
that vigilante justice attone for his malfesiance.