Where's all the "Jefferson must resign threads"?

[CatWoman]

I know he didn't do something as awful as hit a cop with his cell phone, but come on now.

[JPZenger]

1. Give him the heave ho

The Dems must not tolerate corruption or we will not have the ability to attack the Repubs for it.

I imagine Livingston is from a solidly Dem district, so we don't even have to worry about losing the seat.

[CatWoman]

7. I agree

I can't get over the nerve of the guy.

$90K found in his freezer, yet he's still yelling "innocent"?

That dog don't hunt.

[enough already]

36. So he doesn't get a day in court?

Great. Don't take a good man at his word, just toss him out on his ass because the Republicans and the media are making a big deal of it.

[TwilightZone]

2. Here's a poll:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1259733

Pretty definitive.

Edit: if nearly everyone (95%, in that poll) agrees, there would seem to be little need for extended discussion.

[CatWoman]

11. sorry didn't see that thread

and if we can have a ga zillion Truthout Threads, one more Jefferson thread won't hurt.

[TwilightZone]

13. Sorry, didn't mean your thread.

My "like this one" was intended to point out the poll thread, not comment on yours.

Edited to clarify.

[sinkingfeeling]

3. If guilty, he must go. Looks pretty bad since they have him on tape.

[goclark]

25. If guilty, kick him out and send him to JAIL!

Don't pass go, straight to JAIL!

[napi21]

4. Well, I'LL join this one! I say son't AKS him to resign, TELL HIM!

Surely there's enough power in the Dem Party to be able to do that!

We MUST show total intolerance of corruption!!!!

[Kagemusha]

5. People stick their "must resign" comments in other threads

that's all.

It's getting drowned out by outrage over, well, how dare you raid a congressman's office, it's just not done, who cares a judge signed the warrant, it's JUST NOT DONE, separation of powers, it's a DEM, how dare you, have you no shame, have you no shame!

...etc.

Given that sentiment here on DU, I doubt a serious "must resign" thread can get any momentum. Besides, he's a Democrat. Opposing him probably violates DU rules.

[kestrel91316]

37. As long as he is treated fairly and there is not some sort of double

standard where Dems don't get true justice and Reps get a pass, then I say give him the boot.

But I have come to the conclusion over the past 5 1/2 years that anything and everything is legal if you are a Republican, and that the letter of every single law, no matter how trivial, must be obeyed if you are a Democrat.

Equal protection under the law and all that.........

[cmd]

6. I cannot defend him.

It's hard to ignor someone with a cookie jar stuck on their hand. It's time for Jefferson to go.

[Sgent]

8. I posted in another thread

that Pelosi should introduce a resolution to kick him out of his seat. This requires 2/3 vote of the House, and would put the republicans on the defensiv. They either agree to the measure, and then look like the party of corruption for supporting Cunningham & Delay for so long, or disagree and get pinned with keeping such an idiot in office (it would also allow the D's to recruit another candidate).

[CatWoman]

9. that's an excellent idea

[SoFlaJet]

14. That IS smart

then we can ask where are the republicans on this?Why isn't Bob Ney gone yet?

[TygrBright]

24. Yup. Don't wait for him to resign.

BOOT the barstid. Give him a chance to come up with EVIDENCE that the $90K in his freezer and the recorded phone calls have a credible, innocent reason, and if he can't do that, chuck him out. It is OK to hold our elected reps to a higher standard than "innocent until proven guilty." Our elected reps must not only avoid dishonesty, they must avoid the APPEARANCE of dishonesty, as it is their responsibility to maintain citizens' confidence in the honesty of the system.

BOOT the barstid.

adamantly,
Bright

[davepc]

35. He hasn't been convicted of anything yet....

and that would set a bad precedent.

All's you would have to do is frame somebody with some charges and call try to get the house to vote on expulsion while crying "we did it with Jefferson in 06!".

He needs to be leaned on HEAVILY by the party leadership to step down.

[Sgent]

40. On a scale of 1 to videotaped on television

he is just below videotaped. Our elected reps do not have to be innocent until proven guilty -- the appearance of dishonesty is the legal standard given by the supreme court to restrict campaign finance laws, and its a resonable one here.

Note -- the above refers to them keeping their jobs. Going to jail is a different issue and it should be beyond a reasonable doubt.

[SoFlaJet]

10. The thing about this to me is...

the name William Jefferson-wasn't there a president recently who also had those two names?Curious isn't it-how it comes out now with the GOP is need of some good news?Rule number 2 in their playbook; ALWAYS make Clintons look bad whenever it suits whatever need we have-invoke the name and it's golden..

[CatWoman]

12. aw come on

it's just a coincidence that he and BC share the same name(s).

After all, they were both ex-presidents names as well.

[SoFlaJet]

15. it doesn't

make you automatically think of William Jefferson Clinton Cat?-it did me...

[Kagemusha]

16. It makes me think of the Eddie Murphy character who won a seat

on the basis of name recognition alone.

The guy he replaced with the same name was white, in that film. I forget the name.

There's a lot of people with "patriotic" names out there. It's no guarantee of virtue, or of vice for that matter.

[CatWoman]

19. LOL -- I have to admit it does

but still ......... :D

[madinmaryland]

20. I dont recall Clinton stashing $90K in his freezer after

getting caught on camera taking the cash from an undercover agent.

Sorry, but the two people don't belong in the same sentence together.

[SoFlaJet]

22. No no no no

I am in no way comparing anything Clinton ever did with Jefferson-I just find it oh ironic I guess how his name is out there NOW almost a year after them finding the "cold cash"

[lumberjack_jeff]

17. I'm not going to defend him, but piling on is the other guys job.

There are plenty of scumbags the capital who also promote shitty policy.

Given the choices: a) persecute a scumbag who represents my interests and, b) persecute a scumbag who doesn't, I'll pick b).

So, how about that Kark Rove?

[Scout1071]

18. We don't need a lot. This one will do.

I think he should resign immediately.

[Norquist Nemesis]

21. I'm convinced this is Tom DeLay's trash

Ole Tom was cleaning out his office and asked Bill to hang on to the leftovers for him.


hee hee

[JNelson6563]

23. I already posted my view

when the story first broke in LBN. I said he needs to go. Any corrupt politician does.

Julie

[movonne]

26. get all the crooks, repugs and dems...

[Ganja Ninja]

27. The man should know if he's been caught or not and ...

resign on his own if he's guilty. I don't know what the FBI has on him and the MSM has consistently shown themselves to be unreliable so I can't say one way or the other.

[Catherine Vincent]

28. He should resign.

And of all the luck, his name had to be William Jefferson.

[peekaloo]

29. Hey, he's got Bill Frist on his side regarding the legality of that

FBI search. Whenever he gets his Underoos in a twist ya just know the good Senator will always side with the persecuted victim.

extreme :sarcasm:

[11 Bravo]

30. Here's one, CatWoman.

http://dailykos.com

I agree with you 100% on this. Not only does Jefferson DESERVE to be booted, but in so doing the Dems will clearly illustrate the differences between themselves and the Repugs who are currently using RNC funds to help finance the legal defenses of their numerous miscreants.

[ArbustoBuster]

31. We're Democrats. Our disgust for corruption is taken as a given.

We consider it perfectly normal, acceptable, and in fact required that a politician who took bribes must be removed from office. It's the Republicans who always feel the need to debate this, because they would lose nine-tenths of their members of Congress if the law were properly applied to them. :)

(I'm not saying you're a Republican by any means! I'm just detailing why I think there's a lot less discussion of Jefferson here at DU than there is on a Republican site in those common occasions where an R were caught with his hand in the cookie jar.)

[ContraBass Black]

32. They came and went yesterday.

There was no DU firestorm, so we're not having an all-out melee and accusing each other of being Freepers (at the moment).

[TheFarseer]

33. We've talked about this

unfortunately, there's not much to say. He certainly looks guilty. I hate to see corruption stinking up our party but it does happen and when it does, I don't see any reason why we should support a crook. He's got to resign and I think the democratic leadership might be wise to call for his resignation. That we will lose one seat is not important right now.

[LostinVA]

34. You got it, Catwoman n/t

[jobycom]

38. I'm still waiting for the whole picture.

I know people who keep large amounts of money hidden in their homes for legitimate reasons, and it's hard to trust someone making plea deals for their freedom. It looks bad, but the Republicans and their PR firm (the media) have spun things before to look worse than they are.

Not saying I trust Jefferson, just saying I don't trust the Republicans and their media. I'll wait a bit longer to be absolutely convinced. I'm close, but not there yet.

[DS1]

39. Who asked McKinney to resign?

[JPZenger]

41. She didn't commit a felony

McKinney at worst committed a misdemeanor. There is apparently enough evidence to bring felony charges against Livingston.