Kerry is talking about VOTING ISSUES OF 2004 in his commencement speeches

[Chicago1]

WHAT DOES THIS MEAN??????????????????????????????/



Does this mean that something is amiss and he's trying to get the crowds (READ: YOUNG PEOPLE WHO ARE NEAR COLLEGE AGE LIKE THE KIDS IN THE UKRAINE) all fired up???


What are your thoughts????????


It sounds like he's trying to sound the bells and whistles that something is WRONG WITH THE VOTING!!!


START THE REVOLUTION
START THE IMPEACHMENT

[redqueen]

1. Would be great if we didn't have to guess at what he meant. n/t

[MH1]

5. If you read the speech(es) you won't have to guess.

Kenyon - http://blog.thedemocraticdaily.com/?p=3054 (note this area had the longest wait in the country because of misallocated voting machines)

Emerson - http://blog.thedemocraticdaily.com/?p=2993

American University - http://blog.thedemocraticdaily.com/?p=2951

also http://kerry.senate.gov/v3/cfm/home.cfm

[redqueen]

9. That's a lot of verbage to have to sift through. Care to help?

I've already skimmed the first one, and didn't see anything at all about election problems. Would you please cite the quote in that one?


Going through the second one now...

[redqueen]

13. at the Emerson link... all I found was:

"–I know you’ll be pleased we are continuing the much needed investigation into the election fraud and illegal voting. Hopefully, never again will we see what happened to Chris on American Idol "


PLEASE tell me there's more that I'm missing... this is getting downright annoying.


on to read the third link... although I'm beginning to think I'm wasting my time.

[redqueen]

14. Nothing at all in the third link?

:wtf:

Did you read any of these?

[ladjf]

16. That is a "Bingo".

[wisteria]

2. I have noticed this too. I think it is a sign he is opening up more

about some of the things that went on in 2004.

[Squeech]

3. I say

too little too late, dude. Shoulda talked about it at the time, and spent some of that $13 million on legal challenges, deposed Ken Blackwell and Mister Diebold under oath, etc.

[wisteria]

8. he actually addressed some of what you claim to be illegal with

the facts that much of what went on was not illegal. It wasn't fair and in resulted in disenfranchisement, but not fraud. For example, the placement of voting machines in precincts. There is no law that states how many machines should be placed in precincts. Therefore, Blackwell was within his rights to place two machines in Dem areas and 10 in republican. Now this is just one example.
Also, You are incorrect when you suggest he has not addressed voting issues.
http://www.johnkerry.com/features/votingrights/

My guess is you will not give Senator Kerry any credit no matter what he does, but I though you should be confronted with the truth.

[Squeech]

17. How about

those districts that reported more Bush votes than there were registered voters?

Yes, there were shenanigans. And then there was outright fraud. Kerry conceded way too soon.

On edit: and he's my senator. I'm a Masshole.

[marions ghost]

12. better late than never

when it comes to election theft.

[Peace Patriot]

4. What did he say?

Apart from all of the rest of us, he is a major victim of the new Bushite corporate control of the voting system (with their "'TRADE SECRET," PROPRIETARY programming code...I mean, really...hello, Josef Stalin!). I DO think he is mostly a victim--certainly not vigilant enough, but basically got lied to by Christopher Dodd (who cooked up the "Hack America's Vote Act" with his buds Tom Delay and Bob Ney, during the Anthrax Congress). Then Kerry found himself a-a-a-a-a-all alone with a hostile Congress, a hostile Supreme Court, a hostile corpRAT media, and no Democratic Party getting his back. If I had been him, at that point, I think I would have renounced the Dems and re-registered Green or Libertarian. (I'm a 40 year member of the Dem Party, loyal voter and activist, so I get to say that. Also, the provocation was GREAT. McAulife/Brazille/Dodd, that whole crowd, should've had their noses rubbed in it.)

Anyhow: what did the man say?

I've been pushing for a Poetic Justice Ticket, you know: Gore/Kerry '08.

Both elected. Both unfairly denied the office. Gore, provably so. Kerry, by overwhelming inference of the available evidence, in highly non-transparent conditions. Put 'em on a ticket together and shove it in the faces of these Pukes. The whole nation will cheer! It may be the only ticket that can beat the Bushite voting machines. It's a RESTORATION ticket. RESTORING order. RESTORING democracy. These are the men the American people voted for, goddammit. And the will of the American people should be respected!

And it would be fun. Oh, so much fun.

So, if he now knows why he lost--or, rather, that he DIDN'T lose--I'd want him to run again, but on the second spot to Gore, because Gore won first, has a lot of experience in the Executive branch, and has turned into one helluva great speaker and defender of the Constitution.

Does he know? What did he say?

Interesting, the other day, Dean started talking about "it," too. Something going on, do you think? They've finally connected the dots? (...or, they're finally willing to say so?)

[MH1]

6. Links here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1264660&mesg_id=1264931

[marions ghost]

15. LOL

the 'Poetic Justice ticket'...

The two battle scarred veterans of the political arena--already been tested, already been swiftboated, already been denied their rightful place once.

What a comeback that would be...

[greenbriar]

18. YEa, my idea is taking hold

Gore/KErry~poetic justice

because the world deserves it

[blm]

21. already scarred, already built up callouses in all the necessary places.

.

[marions ghost]

23. right

I can't see how they could be attacked any way but by election -rigging. Both of them have a lot of strengths as far as their records in the past and as a team they would be formidable. Don't know if Kerry would do it as VP, but Gore should go first as prez.

I already have my Gore 2008 bumper sticker.

[joeunderdog]

7. It would be wonderful if he were to come out of his shell

and maybe gently address the whole frickin reason he's not the president right now!!!

Thanks for caring, John. :dunce:

[paparush]

10. What kind of language is he couching these talks in???

Is he talking tough? or is he pussyfooting?

[Skelington]

11. That's great,

maybe 4 years from now he can launch an investigation into Rove, or claim to stand behind Cindy! I think Kerry is a great big woodden POLITICIAN, with his head firmly shoved up his ass, I think he is more interested in protecting his career than making a difference.

What a tool.

[Peace Patriot]

20. Yeah, but the American people elected him. That's my point.

I have a beef with Kerry about the war, and with Gore about NAFTA. Real big beefs. And with both of them for not crying foul on fraudulent elections. My point is that THEY were elected! To me, that transcends the normal political business. It is a matter of order and rightness, and RESTORING democracy. The boost it would give to the American peoples' morale is incalculable, but I think it would turn this country around, 180, and head it in the direction of creativity, renewal, reform--maybe great reform--and BACK TO the sovereignty of the people.

I also think Gore has really made something of himself, outside of the Beltway. He is truly a stunning speaker, with a strong analysis of Bush's unconstitutional government. And I think he will bring Kerry along--or rather, take him back--to his core beliefs as a young man.

But whatever I think of them--personally, or as politicians--the American people CHOSE them. And that is the point. Order must be restored!

[Skelington]

22. Kerry, and Gore for that matter,

Did not believe in themselves enough to continue any real fight for those votes they recieved. Every single frickin Democrat is pointing out the wrong dooings of the bush administration, so what, I can see that for myself. Give me somebody with the DESIRE to win the presidency, an outline of goals, and the balls to say the tough things that need to be said. Just bitching about bush is getting old, and not an excuse anymore. We wouldn't be here like this now if either one of them took care of business when they had the chance. And if somebody as limp as bush was able to manipulate them, the other world leaders would fricking have raped them!

I'm sick of political "heirs" to the electoral throne. Americans keep voting for political clones without a moments thought that Democrats, and Republicans have become slime from the same pond. To get political change we need to stop electing politicians, and get a real person.

Dean was a non politically groomed freak, even part madman..... that would have made a wonderful, inspirational, and believeable president. Kerry and Gore are a different shape, but made of the same political goo that they all are.

[blm]

25. You don't know Kerry. You can't even NAME anyone who has committed more

effort to exposing DC government corruption than John Kerry - he is NOT like ANYONE else.

[Skelington]

26. effort and commitment are essential,

however, results are what matter. Kerry, missed the boat with the "swifties", he won all three debates and never even tried to land a killer blow after them, the Republicans constantly chipped away at his military and civillian careers and he let them run right over him, refused to fight the election results of 04'. That matters to me. Those are not the traits I want in a Senator, let alone the President.

You are right I don't know Kerry very well, he said enough to get my attention, then pissed it away without even a try. You tell me what IS Kerry, other than a run of the mill nutless politician. I don't know him at all, other than he has been in politics his entire civilian life, give me something to believe about him. What has he done, has he ever been the lead politically on anything significant? As far as a political figure that's all he is,.........a wooden figurine.

you don't owe me an explination regarding Kerry, so please don't take it that way. But I say he is a gasbag, my reasons are in the first paragraph, will you tell me whay he is not?

[blm]

27. Yep - you don't KNOW Kerry. Does government corruption mean anything

to you? Do Clean Elections mean anything to you?

Kerry - ON HIS OWN - investigated and exposed IranContra. He had to fight his own party for a YEAR to get serious about it. Then he took on uncovering the layers of BCCI - that took FIVE YEARS and he was pitted against the entire DC powerstructure including the Dem party, the CIA, FBI and most of the media protecting them.

He investigated the illegal wars in Central America and the CIA drugrunning - opposed by most of his own party - AGAIN.

He wrote The New War, published in 1997, that warned of growing global terrorism and the backing they were getting from international financiers and their banking networks.

He wrote the Clean Money, Clean Elections public financing of campaigns bill that would have taken ALL money out of politics,

He is no run of the mill politician.

[Skelington]

28. ok so,

Kerry is responsible "on his own" for exposing Iran Contra? really? Five years later after being pitted against the DLC power structure did he get anythig done, or did he like every other politician just claim his share of the "effort", accept his pat on the back and wave at the crowd.

He investigated the illigal wars in Central America, and CIA drug runners, and accomplished what?

He wrote "The New War", warning of growing threats, and the result was?

And finally he wrote a bill that would have taken the money out of politics, IF it had passed?

I don't know Kerry, but I now know he has a very complete resume of near victories. Add nearly president, and almost believeable to it. He is a tool, and if it weren't for Ted he would be sticking labels on Ketchup bottles.

[blm]

29. What it accomplished that you have no respect for is that it kept the

HISTORIC RECORD - the record that cannot be denied when history is written.

You would prefer that WE - you and I - not KNOW what really happened in IranContra and BCCI, or the illegal wars in Central America or CIA drugrunning? You would PREFER we didn't KNOW ANY OF IT, because the powers that opposed Kerry were stronger than the small bit who backed him up?

If you know anything about the BFEE it is thanks to the work of John Kerry and the few reporters who helped to investigate it.


You want an America where those who WORK to change things for the better or seek justice are kicked to the curb for their efforts or told that they don't matter when they don't succeed completely?

You do know that THREE states have already adopted the Clean Elections bill for their own state elections, don't you?

And you REALLY don't know DC - Kerry was given NO pat on the back - he was OSTRACIZED for years in DC because of BCCI - and he was branded a "conspiracy theory nut" by Dick Cheney and his media lapdogs.

I am shocked that someone who professes to be so cynical is so unaware of what happened and the backlash against Kerry.

[politicasista]

30. Your last comment is very offensive and an insult to Uncle Ted

I for one would trade for Kerry and Kennedy over Frist and Alexander ANY day. It's unfortunate that you have to trash a good Democrat by repeating Rovian talking points.

[LittleClarkie]

19. I think you used too many question marks. That's what I think.

And I think I'd like a transcript.

[Adelante]

24. I am glad to hear it

But why not use citations to show what you're so happy about?

[Beelzebud]

31. He should have talked about them in 2004 instead of giving in in 12 hours.

[blm]

32. Because you gave him the evidence he needed to continue?

.

[LittleClarkie]

33. But of course my dear

Lawyers LOVE to rush into court with circumstantial evidence, doncha know.