I say 9/11 changed nothing.

[Caution]

It didn't change Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. It didn't change the Bill of Rights or any other part of the Constitution. It didn't make me afraid. It didn't make me want the government in my bedroom, on my phones, reading my email or searching me without a reason.

It made me angry. It made me want to bring those who perpetrated it to justice and it still does.

Now, I'm even more angry. I'm mad that Bin Laden hasn't been caught. I'm mad that Omar hasn't been caught. I'm mad that the Taliban is still a problem in Afghanistan. I'm mad that our Armed Forces are engaged in a useless war against a nation that posed no threat to us. I'm mad that our government virtually ignored North Korea to the point that they are actively working towards actual WMD. I'm mad that my rights have been significantly degraded in such a short period of time. I'm mad that since these maniacs took power it is OK to denigrate anyone who disagrees with them because of what happened on 9/11. Those self-same maniacs who were asleep at the wheel when it happened!

If one more person says "9/11 changed everything" as an excuse for destroying the very things that make us Americans and make us free, I'm going to bite his damned head off!

[sinkingfeeling]

1. I agree with your first two paragraphs. I don't think 9-11 changed

anything except turning the once brave citizens of America into whining, cringing terrified people.

[frylock]

15. makes one wonder if they ever were brave to begin with..

the ones willing to sacrifice their rights, that is.

[otherlander]

2. Agreed! 1776 changed everything.

[leftofthedial]

3. for Murka's ruling oligarchy

it was the epitome of business as usual

[Jara sang]

4. You are right 9/11 changed NOTHING.

The rich and the powerful are still exploiting the weak and the impoverished.

[richabk]

5. Depends...macro or micro level

In a broad sense, you're probably right.

But for me personally - living in NYC, and being only 1 block from the WTC when it happened - it did change MY Life and MY pursuit of happiness. It made me realize how precious life is and how quickly it can be yanked away
at any moment. So I appreciate my life a little more, and try to pursue much more happiness...

[OldLeftieLawyer]

6. We're ten minutes from the Pentagon

We saw everything that day. Watched the smoke drift off for hours.

It changed nothing.

Fuckface and His Band Of Illegal Squatter Thugs In The Oval Office changed everything.

9/11 changed nothing. Look around. What's changed, except that Fuckface is trying to turn us into a police state, for no reason.

Fuckface changed everything, and we have to take back America now.

Follow Murtha. He knows where he's going.

Make noise.

[nolabels]

11. I am thousands of miles away and saw some of it on TeeVee

And it did change a lot for me on that day. The thought that it is too unbelievable to be real is that of your thought, that thought that your conscious mind is being overrun by unconscious subliminal training that is in direct contradiction with itself. Don't believe what they tell you, believe what you see, in short. My understanding of the whole thing was that the whole thing was a day late and a dollar short. i know that sounds convoluted, but that is how it operates. The understanding that there always a certain amount of falsehood in everything that there is to be seen and nothing ever happens without a reason. (THE SEVEN HERMETIC PRINCIPLES http://www.divineparadox.com/AgelessWisdom/Kybalion/kybalion2.htm)

The understanding that i have had is that this is the greatest assembled band of crooks and thieves ever to be in one nation. That is still the same and unwavering for me. Much more looking into it from here at DU and other places have only confirmed i was correct in my thinking (but still trying to understand more). The thing that has changed so much for a lot of people is now they are out in the open, plain for so many more to see. The police state was always here, you just didn't notice it till as of late. They wrote it down on paper and called it a law to give themselves the fig leaf of legitimacy but they know, and we know they have none


Asking yourself how could they give reason to their treachery and subjugation of so many without the staged events, who has the most motive and means to operate it. It's just too simple and logical to me, the evidence points to it and the dark hearts are showing it.

[ramapo]

7. It changed everything....

for many news cycles. Aside from propping up the Bush administration, and providing a whole new motherlode of rhetorical comment, 9/11 changed nothing. The government is run by cronies rather than by professionals and we all suffer. That was true from Day 1 of the Bush admin to today. Americans are basically ignorant creatures and that is still true today. 9/11 became a convenient excuse for the Bush admin to blame everything else on while using it as their political vehicle. This just goes to prove my previous sentence.

[uppityperson]

8. It gave a lot of people an excuse to turn over all to gvt

that is what it changed.

[EST]

9. It did change things.

It gave the fascist wannabees the excuse they needed to conquer the country and hoodwink the gullible, the ill informed and those whose image is the one they think lives in the other guy's mind.
It should come as no surprise that a significant portion of any population is anti-social.
There are miscreants who range from merely mentally unbalanced misfits with mean streaks to very smart, vicious, monsters who, in calmer times, have to maintain their veneer of civility and keep their psychoses behind it.
In the closing days of WW2, there were still a few good Germans who remained convinced that they were "liberating" other nations and that theirs was a force for good, may god bless us.
9-11 was the Reichstag fire.

[RethugAssKicker]

10. Agreed !... I never bought into that BS line !

[ArbustoBuster]

12. We survived the damned Nazis and Soviets...

...without throwing our rights in the bonfire. We survived a world at war, and we survived Russian missiles fifteen minutes from our cities with atomic death.

Some goddamned religious freakjobs with boxcutters are nothing. But Bush and his cronies wet their beds in fear of terrorists. And if they're not really terrified of the Big Bad Terrorists, then they're lying to us and have been lying for five years. In either case, they're not worthy of their positions.

[Bluerthanblue]

13. 9/11 was USED to

exploit the worst of human nature-

Namely, to play on fear, to give people a 'whipping boy' for all the pent up frustration and hate that festers inside us all, and to manipulate the LAWS that made America what it 'could' have truly been.

And, i can't blame 'the neo-cons' for it-
The fear and aggression that came from that day came from all quarters.

I personally believe we DO 'own' a measure of what was done that day- (we meaning 'America'- or the agencies that operate out of this country)

What was done, was terrible- don't get me wrong- but it wasn't 'out of the blue'-
nor was it done without what those who did it believed to be 'just-cause'.

I realize this is not a popular position.- But I can't keep silent. Afghanistan, the Taliban, and most of the people who died as a result of the 'justice' America claimed was 'due' us, aren't 'the enemy'-
WE are our own worst enemy- The forces at work in this nation, who manipulate smaller, less powerful people to advance 'their/our' agenda are the enemy- and will be the ultimate destruction of us all.

Lincoln said it-

"America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter, and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
-- Abraham Lincoln, 16th U.S. President (1809-1865)

And here are others-

"Perhaps it is a universal truth that the loss of liberty at home is to be charged to provisions against danger, real or pretended, from abroad."
-- James Madison

"Democracies die behind closed doors."
-- JUDGE DAMON J. KEITH, in a ruling declaring that the Bush administration acted unlawfully in holding deportation hearings in secret. New York Times Quote of the Day, 8/27/02



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[Joe Fields]

14. 9/11 changed a lot of things. Reading your post, I am making

an assumption that you mean you have no patience for people who support Bush and buy into the Republican talking points about how we must allow the president to do whatever the fuck he wants, all because of 9/11.

To those people, I tell you this:

Bush was viewed as a bumbling, stumbling fool; the next Gerald Ford, before 9/11. He was laughed at and ridiculed by the media. Unfortunately for us, 9/11 changed a great many people's perceptions of him.

9/11 gave Bush the impetus to ram the Patriot Act down our throats

9/11 gave Bush the excuse he was looking for to go to war. Instead of developing on-the-ground, real time intelligenge sources and dealing with terrorists in a surgical manner, Bush is now stomping all over Tara. He started an illegal war, diverting money earmarked for fighting the Taliban and al-qaeda in Afghanistan, so he could play out the agenda his people had been planning for a long time.

He has created thousands more terrorists, due to his clumsiness in trying to kill cockroaches with bad intelligence and a sledgehammer. And now there are hundreds of splinter cells because of Bush's reaction to 9/11.

He hasn't cleaned up the first mess, and now feels emboldened to start another war in Iran, because of 9/11.

He has thrown diplomacy out the window because of 9/11.

He has caused America to lose prestige and favor around the world, all due to his reaction to 9/11.

He has violated our constitutional rights, all due to 9/11.

Bush's empowerment, due to 9/11 may yet start a religious war without end. It could turn out to be a World War.

Bush is bankrupting this country, because of 9/11. A war that originally was supposed to cost us nothing, because Iraqi oil would pay for it could cost over a trillion dollars and the loss of God knows how mnany thousands of lives limbs and psyches needlessly.

Social programs that our tax dollars are supposed to pay for are being slashed to the bone, because of 9/11.

And guess what, people? If Bush isn't impeached by 2008, he gets to walk away from the stink he has created, and let somebody else clean up a mess that may be too big to clean up.

[hfojvt]

16. biting people's heads off

is so September 10th. :hide:

I have said since December of 2001 that 9/11 was a molehill that many people are trying to make into a mountain.

[treestar]

17. IA, it trivializes the term "war" to treat it as a military attack

There was nothing left after the attack, no occupation, nothing. It may have been the worst terrorist attack in history, but treating it as a warstrike (and then claiming "we are at war" with all the transfers of power to the executive branch thought to go along with the state of war) just triviliazes the concept.

Al Qaeda does not have troops at the border preventing us from leaving, ships along the coast, Al Qaeda is not building concentration camps in the US or occupying cities.

Getting the sheeple to take a metaphor, the War on Terror, literally, as if we were actually attacked by the military power of another nation, proved the sheeple for what they are; the first generation unable to keep the republic they were handed, because they were too stupid and complacent.

[rug]

18. 19 people with boxcutters is not war.

[savemefromdumbya]

19. Don't worry they won't get off the hook over 9/11

just makes me mad!