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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 03:01 PM
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MSNBC's David Schuster: CIA Leak GJ to meet Wednesday
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/MSNBC_Roves_legal_team_expects_decision_0522.html

excerpt from Schuster's broadcast last night on "Hardballl":

"Both sides in the Libby case have several weeks before they will file the next set of pleadings. And that could help free up prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald and his staff to focus on one key unresolved issue in the overall investigation -- the status of presidential advisor Karl Rove.

It's now been 26 days since Rove testified to the grand jury for the 5th time. Defense lawyers say prosecutors remain focused on Rove's claim of a bad memory regarding a conversation with Time magazine reporter Matt Cooper. Rove's legal team and former prosecutors tracking the investigation expect Patrick Fitzgerald to announce a decision at any time.

SCOTT FREDERICKSEN, former federal prosecutor: "Right now is when we would expect the meetings to be wrapped up with his own staff, for him to make the preliminary decision, for him to reach out to Rove's counsel to have the final conversation, or to notify him he is not going forward or to notify him we are going to indict."

SHUSTER: (on-camera) "The CIA leak grand jury is scheduled to meet again this Wednesday. As for Scooter Libby, whose lawyers are focusing on his criminal trial, one broad issue they've noted will not be part of the case. Libby's legal team says that in front of a jury drawn from residents of liberal Washington, D.C., defending the Bush administration's case for war would be foolish and self destructive, regardless of whether the trial features testimony from Vice President Cheney. I'm David Shuster, for Hardball, in Washington."


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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 03:03 PM
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1. K&R
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 03:03 PM
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2. YAWN
A reporter says something.

So?

He's the one who claimed Rove would be indicted by now, isn't he?

People should not believe what reporters say, or haven't we learned anything so far?

When it happens, you'll hear it from Fitzgerald. Until then, there are no leaks, and anything Schuster, or anyone else, predicts is nothing but writing on water and wishing it were real.

Wait for Fitzgerald. He's the only authority in this matter.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 03:05 PM
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5. Prove it
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 03:07 PM
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7. Excuse me?
Did you say something to my post?

Your response is sort of, oh, you know what, you really should be on Ignore.

So, now you are.

<click>
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 03:17 PM
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9. Snappy comeback
Which leads me to believe my first thought... you can't prove this statement, can you?

"When it happens, you'll hear it from Fitzgerald. Until then, there are no leaks, and anything Schuster, or anyone else, predicts is nothing but writing on water and wishing it were real."
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 03:58 PM
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14. Why the hell does she need to prove it?
What she said is skeptically inclined, but essentially correct. The burden of proof is on her side, and the people who are making predictions about what's going to happen in the future are the ones who need proof.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 04:16 PM
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19. Thanks for your logic!
Seems to be a lack of same around here lately.

I merely asked that another back their own claims. :shrug:
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 09:20 PM
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27. exactly. What TheWraith said...
...nothing to prove. There are no facts at hand, only speculation from another reporter. In this case, it's best to wait to hear from Fitz - everything else is just a bunch of noise. I agree with OLL and TheWraith.

Yawn indeed.
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DancingBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 04:12 PM
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17. Have you stopped beating your wife?
Honestly, have you NO other leg to stand on save for this tired old one?

Hint: has ANYTHING ever leaked from Fitzgerald? Anytime? Anyplace?

Now, it's my turn:

Can you prove ANY of the following statements:

Rove was indicted on May 12th.

He has 24 "business" (sorry, trying not to chuckle over this one) hours to get his affairs in order.

The 4th floor of Patten-Boggs was locked down on Friday.

The Secret Service was there.

Fitzgerald met for 15 hours with Luskin.

Of course you can't, but you WANT them to be true so...

Cue Peggy Lee - "Is That All There Is?"
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 04:15 PM
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18. I never made any of those claims, so why would I need to prove them?
I'm simply asking another to prove their own claims. What's the problem?
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DancingBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 04:23 PM
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20. So, then, you don't believe Leopold?
BTW, OLL never made any "claims."

She merely said Fitzgerald doesn't leak information.

That has proven to be true.

Leopold lies like a rug.

That also seems to be true, predicated on both past history and recent events.

Who do you believe???

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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 12:53 PM
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25. As suspected
This is not a football game and there are no sides to be taken. No one knows the whole story yet so many want to know what the others believe... and a wait and see attitude automatically puts a person into the "believe Leopold team".

So many assumptions, so little time and inclination.

This reminds me of a standard wording on many stock documents including a company's annual report and stock offerings, necessitated by SEC rules. Past performance is no indication of future earnings. If we were to apply your rule "That also seems to be true, predicated on both past history and recent events" we could no longer pay attention to anything from MSNBC, CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, WaPo, WSJ, etc...

So many are more than ready to throw all of TO under the bus for this... how does "your rule" stand with them?
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NightOwwl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 05:35 PM
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23. I don't believe Schuster ever gave any indication of the time
(or certainty) of a Rove indictment.

He has predicted a couple of times that indictment seems highly likely, but never specified a time-frame. IMO he's been a great source of information.

P.S. I've been following your posts, and I agree with your assessment of the TO/Leopold article.
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 03:05 PM
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3. Ughhhh. The grand jury is SCHEDULED to meet EVERY Wed.
This is not news, and for that matter the grand jury is not confined to the CIA leak case. This absolutely does not constitute any evidence that the Grand Jury WILL meet on the Rove matter, just that it MIGHT, which anyone who knows anything about the case knows is a possibility this Wednesday, next Wednesday, the Wednesday after that, etc, etc, ad absurdium.
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 03:07 PM
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8. yes, I know that. But Schuster said "the CIA Leak" GJ is
meeting Wednesday. He didn't discuss his source(s), but that is what he reported.
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 03:18 PM
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10. There is no "CIA leak" GJ.
And if he's too much of a dweeb to get that through his skull that's his problem.
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Polemicist Donating Member (299 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 05:11 PM
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22. Respectfully, there is a "leak FGJ"...
There are two different Federal Grand Jury in session in Washington DC right now. One of those juries has been hearing evidence in the Plamegate case. Thus it is considered the "leak FGJ" and the other FGJ is not.

However, I think you mean that this leak case isn't the only matter this FGJ is considering. That's the case for almost all FJGs. They are convened for a period to time to consider any or all cases the Federal Prosecutor might wish to bring in front of them. Federal Grand Juries almost always multitask.
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 05:43 PM
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24. You're not seeing my point. The journalist is being sloppy with words
He's implying something that isn't true, that's well known not to be true, and he's trying to present the GJ being scheduled to meet as news, which it plainly is not. If he knows that the one that had been hearing Rove case evidence will meet for business related to that case, THAT would be news, but he has not done that; he has merely implied it as if it were true, without providing real evidence that it IS true.

In short, he's getting people worked up for nothing. Again. "The Note" has been guilty of this time after time after time and they never seem to learn.
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Polemicist Donating Member (299 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 09:11 PM
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26. Yea, but that's journalism...
They have to fill up the space talking about something.

I've read about the false alarms based on "The Note" announcing that the FGJ is meeting. I don't really think there's anything wrong with reporting that the FGJ is meeting. Most of us who have followed this case now know that this news can or can not mean anything. Who knows?

But I would rather know they are meeting without anything occurring, than for them to meet without our knowledge and something big happen. To me, it's just another part of following the case. I don't feel misled at all.
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 03:32 PM
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13. Doesn't the GJ meet every Wed and Friday?
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 03:05 PM
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4. Ah, so those libruls from DC are gonna railroad ''ol Libby?
"Libby's legal team says that in front of a jury drawn from residents of liberal Washington, D.C., defending the Bush administration's case for war would be foolish and self destructive, regardless of whether the trial features testimony from Vice President Cheney. I'm David Shuster, for Hardball, in Washington."

Grasping at straws, much? :crazy:
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 03:59 PM
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15. LOL's Libby is on trial for Perjury and he blames it on War..???
How those repugs love to change the subject when they aren't blaming everyone else for their own troubles.
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 03:05 PM
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6. I'm starting to believe
that this is never going to happen-it's like waiting for a gift to arrive in the mail that gets stolen from somewhere before it ever gets to your door...you keep having hope that it might arrive until that hope eventually fades away and is almost forgotten-almost
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 03:27 PM
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11. Recommended to get this on the greatest page!
For the yawning goobers out there. LOL!
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northamericancitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 03:29 PM
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12. Kick & Rec. Time will tell....
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 04:01 PM
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16. Wake me up after Rove's pardoned
All the screaming in between might be fun and maybe he'll rat Dickless Cheney out, but geeze.....the mofo will be farking DEAD by the time any justice is overridden by a pardon
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 04:43 PM
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21. Well, it seems to me that the "aspens" would not have been idle since
late 2003, when Tenet departed and left this independent investigation in his wake, and they would have made some political and legal contingency plans. One of those may be for Rove to play Fitzgerald along, and then give up Libby on the main crime, and then maybe Cheney on conspiracy, if necessary, to keep himself (Rove) out of prison and protect Jr. On the known evidence, Fitzgerald has Rove by the short hairs on perjury. Now would be the time for this "aspen" scenario to start playing out. Libby may or may not have agreed to be designated fall guy. I would say, agreed--and that both he and Cheney already have pardons, sealed by blackmail material they have on Jr. The "aspens" I'm sure would love to get Cheney out (he of the 18% approval rating), and get a fresh face in as v-p, for '08. This could be the upshot of a Libby trial, or of pre-trial developments. Cheney resigns; a "house-cleaning"--"all" those bad guys who were doing such foolish things without Jr.'s knowledge (he-he) are gone now; Jr. still ensconced; tax cuts protected, Mideast war looting still in progress; Rumsfeld still spying on everybody and his brother, and chafing at the bit to nuke Iran.

And this could explain what Leopold was told by his sources; that they were sure Rove was going to be indicated. They heard (or heard of) the Fitzgerald threat --that Rove was waiting for, to trigger the ratting scenario (if that's what we're looking at), based on pending or sealed indictment, and Rove has, or is going to, rat out Libby on the main crime. He hates Libby anyway (Libby tried to pin the main crime on him--Rove is guilty, I think, but not the mastermind this time). This whole case (the visible part) has so far been a scuffle between these seconds-in-command, Libby (Cheney chief aide) and Rove (Bush chief aide). (Personally, I suspect that the chief mastermind of outing Plame and the Brewster-Jennings counter-proliferation network was Rumsfeld, but that's another story. It was convenient to Cheney and his illicit arms dealings around the world, but it was essential to Rumsfeld, to be able to manufacture war on Iran.) Rove ratting on Libby may be what's causing the delay (of news on Rove's status). I tend to doubt that Fitzgerald would settle for anything less than Cheney and some of the other conspirators, to let Rove entirely off the hook. That may delay news on Rove even further. I DON'T think Fitzgerald wants another perjury trial. He's out to crack the case.

Speculation, yeah. Admitted. But you gotta figure SOMETHING has been going on behind the scenes, all this time--and plans laid out--to deal with this independent prosecutor, possible charges and political fall-out. Whether things will work out as the "aspens" (Bushite powers behind the scenes) expect them to remains to be seen.

I don't know about you-all, but that episode in Congress the other day--FBI raiding a Congressional office--set off my "Constitutional crisis" alarm bells. THAT is a no-no! (--specifically forbidden by the Constitution, in very explicit language; note: I now think they were testing the waters with McKinney).

So now, the Bushites can spy on anybody they want to, at any time, with no cause and nobody's okay; they can in particular spy on reporters and grab them and all their notes, at any time, for "national security" reasons; they can stop members of Congress from entering Congress for "security reasons" and they can raid Congressional offices on suspicion of a crime--though both of these things are expressly forbidden by the Constitution; they can decide which bills that Congress passes apply to Bush and the Bush junta, and which do not; they can invent laws (torture, indefinite detention, rendition); and they can commandeer the state's national guards, and send them to Iraq, to the Mexican border or anywhere they wish. They have marched over one precedent after another, toward tyrannical power.

Will they accommodate civil society, by giving up Libby or Cheney, to temporary inconvenience? Or will they dig their heels in and use all these illegitimate powers in a "Saturday Night Massacre" that will outdo Watergate by orders of magnitude?

One wonders WHY they are doing things like raiding Congressional offices--inspiring Republican as well as Democratic fury--if they AREN'T under serious threat from Fitzgerald. Possibly he has seen through their Rovian/"aspen" narratives and contingency plans, and--faced with a wall of obstruction--is calling them out, on conspiracy, or at the least is posing a real threat of indictment against Rove on perjury.

The above unprecedented, un-constitutional powers that they've grabbed--especially the recent ones--could be one of the contingency plans for pressuring Fitzgerald into a deal that limits the political damage and keeps them in power, at least for purposes of pardons and shredding another mountain of paper. (I'm not sure who I mean by "them" in this sentence--perhaps just someone who will keep the larder open, and the door shut.)

------

(Them = Bush junta front men and war profiteers; Rumsfeld, though, has ambitions far beyond looting; and I noticed that Christopher Dodd has now floated a balloon about himself running for president--I would watch out for that; Dodd is the mastermind of the Bushite electronic voting coup; he could be the Bilderberg group's candidate to replace Cheney or even Bush.)


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