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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 09:00 AM
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Why has Jesus failed America so?
2000 years later, millions still worship Him, yet, for all the good his crucifixion and death did, and for all the good his admonitions have done for us, i wonder why he even bothered?
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 09:04 AM
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1. Jesus is angry that we won't let gay people get married. n/t
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DIKB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 09:08 AM
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2. Bingo
Check your bibles. In the Garden of Gethsemane in Mark, who was the naked young man who ran off ?
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 10:03 AM
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8. I'd never heard of this before! Thanks!
THE CONTENT OF THE "SECRET GOSPEL OF MARK"
The various Gospels of Mark:

The following is based on the assumption that a letter which claims to have been written by Clement of Alexandria (circa 150-213 CE), is valid and accurate. No total consensus has been reached by theologians on the letter's legitimacy: religious conservatives tend to reject the letter as a forgery; religious liberals tend to accept it as real.

<snip>

Interpretations of the Fragments:

The text about the young man's clothing in the first fragment reads literally: "a linen cloth having been draped over the naked body." The young man in both fragments, and the man who escaped naked in the Garden of Gethsemane appear to refer to the same individual. He may also have been the young man encountered by the two Marys and Salome when they visited Jesus' tomb in Mark 16:5.

Interpretations of these fragments vary:

Some scholars suspect that naked young man covered only in a linen cloth might have been prepared for an initiation ritual. In the early Christian church, both the presbyter and the person to be baptized stood in the water together, naked. 6 Ritual nudity is no longer a common practice in the world with the exception of Wicca, some other Neopagan religions, and a few sects in India. But it was very common in the early Christian movement.

Morton Smith (1915-1991) wrote two books about the secret gospel of Mark. 7 They raised a firestorm of attacks from some theologians who were disturbed at some of the possible interpretations of his work. Author Shawn Eyer commented: "The possibility that the initiation could have included elements of eroticism was unthinkable to many scholars, whose reaction was to project onto Smith's entire interpretive work an imaginary emphasis on Jesus being a homosexual." 8 Eyer compiled a list of brief quotes from theologians' negative reviews:

<snip>

A more radical interpretation of these fragments was available online. The author suggested that Jesus and the unnamed young man engaged in sexual behavior on the night mentioned in the first fragment. The implication was that Jesus was had either a homosexual or bisexual orientation. 10

More:
http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_miss1.htm

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BoneDaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 10:05 AM
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9. NAKED YOUNG MAN
Some scholars think the naked young man was an initiate in the gnostic mysteries. Tim Freke (The Jesus Mysteries) believes that the cult of Jesus was a combination of the God-man mythologies of the area and time combined with the Jewish messiah. Interesting read.
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mattomjoe Donating Member (598 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 09:13 AM
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3. Too many people follow religious institutions, not Jesus.
If they actually read the Gospels, start to finish, their brains would probably melt from cognitive dissonance overload.
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tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 09:13 AM
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4. isn't it the other way round ? nt
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 09:15 AM
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5. "hey don`t blame me



if you guys don`t read the instructions"
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 09:17 AM
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6. Why do you blame Jesus?
What,do think he walks on water? Oh, wait a minute.

Anyway, he's his father's son. Where is The Big Guy? Didn't he teach him anything? We must be paying for someone's sins; Pat Robertson told me so.
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 09:23 AM
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7. Actually we have it a lot
better than he did. Our children live, more food, easy access to water, longer lives.

and cell phones. Gotta have cell phones.
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lectrobyte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 10:24 AM
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10. You must be a Concrete Blonde fan
It is complete now - two ends of time
Are neatly tied
A one-way street, she’s walking to the
End of the line
And there she meets the faces she sees in
Her heart and mind

They say - goodbye - tomorrow Wendy’s
Going to die
Underneath the chilly grey November sky
We can make believe
That Kennedy is still alive
We’re shooting for the moon and smiling
Jackie’s driving by

They say - good try -
Tomorrow Wendy’s going to die
I told the priest - don’t count on
Any second coming.
God got his ass kicked the first time he
Came down here slumming
He had the balls to come, the gall to die
And then forgive us -
No, I don’t wonder why
I wonder what he thought
It would get us - hey hey, good try -
Tomorrow Wendy’s going to die

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