Lay Guilty, The "decider" will pardon Kenny boy if he's not impeached

[Imagevision]

what say you??

[Philosoraptor]

1. Well you just had to go and bust my bubble

You're probably right.

[liberalnurse]

2. I agree 100%.

This man who sits in the seat reserved for President of the United States is there for only one reason.

[joeunderdog]

32. What if they appeal and the appeal is not done by 08? nt

[liberalnurse]

39. The MSM will let it all sit on page 25 next to the classified ads.

or treat it as business as usual. Just like they have done for the past 4 years.

[Last Stand]

48. Can you pardon someone when the case is still under appeal?

I would assume that if there is no "final" verdict, then there can be no decision to appeal. Is this correct?

[realisticphish]

3. i dunno

pretty much the whole country despises ken lay. I don't think even the BFEE would risk destroying their base even more

[tridim]

10. But does * owe Kenny Boy a favor?

[Jacobin]

23. It'll be a large bribe

customarily for a 'donation' to the presidential library.

Its just like clockwork

[Julius Civitatus]

19. They've never given a shit about what the country thinks

These are the same motherfuckers that wanted to give no-bid contracts to run the US ports to a company owned by the United Arab Emirates.

These are the same bastards who didn't give two shits about public opinion, laws, or the rule of law during 6 years in power.

Do you think they'll wonder what the rest of us peasants would think when Bush gives his pals Kenny-boy and Skillings generous pardons? That's a big NO!

[LeftNYC]

4. Wonder if the Bushies will send Lay a video in prison on his

birthday. Everyone should see that flick-Enron: The Smartest Guys in the Room. Great Doc.

[papau]

5. Lay convicted on all 6 counts

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/enron_trial

Lay convicted on all 6 counts 2 minutes ago



HOUSTON - Enron Corp. founder Kenneth Lay has been convicted of all six counts against him, including conspiracy to commit securities and wire fraud.

[babylonsister]

6. That should be additional encouragement FOR impeachment! nt

[Howardx]

7. he hardly even knows the guy remember?

a pardon would mess that story up

[JackBeck]

8. I just said the same thing to a co-worker.

And if he does, can you imagine the outrage from the former employees who lost their life savings? There will be a huge backlash if he does.

[coalition_unwilling]

41. I posted this on another thread, but thought it worth re-stating:

Ford's pardon of Nixon probably cost Ford the '76 election. Were Bush to pardon Lay and\or Skilling, the resulting cataclysm would end the Republican Party as we know it and ensure Democratic dominance for a generation, akin to the sea change that occurred in 1932 with FDR.

The outrage would just be too great, if those two were able to slip the bounds of the very prison-industrial-congressional complex they've been so instrumental in creating.

[JackBeck]

45. Thank you for your insight. n/t

[Imagevision]

9. Who was it Sr. Bush pardoned after being found guilty (iran/contra affair?

[Howardx]

12. everyone who could finger him

as being involved

[speedoo]

11. No, I don't see any upside for the decider to pardon.

Only downside, in the form of public outrage. Not even his base would be happy with a pardon.

[Jacobin]

15. He'll do it AFTER the next prez elections

[speedoo]

33. Why? What's the upside?

Money? * can get money elsewhere, with no downside.

Maybe if Lay threatens to roll on Cheney, in exchange for a reduced sentence. That's the only potential upside I can see.

[Bucky]

40. Of course there will NOT be any Enron pardons. Bush is a born backstabber.

He's always willing to disavow fallen comrades. Why should there be any honor among thieves?

[AndyTiedye]

37. All The More Reason ** Will Pardon Them. He Doesn't Care What We Think

[Jacobin]

43. that pretty much sums it up

[ComerPerro]

44. His base would find a way to justify it. And Rush would support it

[H2O Man]

13. Nope.

It isn't in Bush's personality make-up. Kenny Boy is going to be incarcerated.

[Jacobin]

14. No doubt about it

He'll be out of jail on bail pending appeal for 18 months and then once the prez elections are over, he'll pardon them both.

I would bet a lot of money on that

[Julius Civitatus]

16. You can bet they'll get PRESIDENTIAL PARDONS

[meegbear]

17. Ummmmm .... no

even * is smart enough to keep himself away from Lay.

Now, awarding him a Medal of Honor ....

[H2O Man]

24. The president will award

himself a medal of honor for the convictions. He will try to take credit for the DoJ's prosecuting the guys he once called his friends and supporters. It would be wrong to expect the president to show anything close to loyalty to others. He will always take the most self-serving route. Always.

[Imagevision]

35. H20> always take the most self-serving route. you nailed it...

[Imagevision]

26. Ummmmm .... no?? - Bush waits until 1/08 and simply pardons Kenny boy

then poof! Bush is out the door -- done deal, like Sr.Bush

[meegbear]

30. Ummmmm .... no!!1!!!1

[BlueStater]

18. It definitely wouldn't help his party's chances in November if he did that

I don't think even Bush is quite that stupid.

Then again, he has been known to surprise me.

[Jacobin]

20. think about it

They'll be out on bail for at least 18 months pending appeal.

AFTER the prez election, but before the new prez takes office, Bush pardons.

No one to scream at. He's on his way out.

And just THINK of hte presidential library contribution

[Imagevision]

29. Jacobin, I agree with you, Bush waits till 1/08 - Lay stays out under

appeal, todays news is fodder for the small/slow folk to eat up and the dust then settles. 1/08 Bush pardon announcments to be made.

[joeunderdog]

34. Can you pardon while the case is under appeal? nt

[Jacobin]

42. YES. You can pardon before conviction

See: Marc Rich case

[bowens43]

21. I doubt it. Why would he?

He has nothing to gain by pardoning Lay.

[DancingBear]

22. I think not

Look at past history - when folks around him no longer serve any useful purpose they are jettisoned.

Lay is a hindrance to Bush now - by next week Bush will have forgotten his name.

[Booster]

25. Haven't you noticed Kenny Boy Lay has been looking a little

depressed lately? Wonder if he's been considering suicide?:sarcasm:

[Binka]

27. Ya Mean Like BuckShot Clint Baxter?n/t

[Jacobin]

28. nope

just considering his next luxury vacation while he's out on bond pending appeal and looking forward to his pardon

[Imagevision]

31. Pardon? - it's just the way the "system" works...

[Jacobin]

36. the republican system, my friend

[MiniMe]

38. He will pardon them January 2009, just before he leaves office

[maine_raptor]

47. Late on Dec 24, 2008

That's when 41 did it for the Iran-Contra folks. It's a real slow news day.

[Orsino]

46. Now *there's* a competing meme if I ever heard one.

The GOP's scaring voters with the thought that the Dems might impeach? Scare 'em right back with the notion that we must impeach, so that Lay doesn't walk!

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