House debating ANWAR drilling, AGAIN, under closed debate rules, CSPAN

[Humor_In_Cuneiform]

A representative from Oregon provided a good analogy for the fact that the mere 2000 acres to be drilled in ANWAR need not be contiguous.

He said it is like saying a gulf course only takes up, disturbs 4 square feet or so, if you only count the holes (ie drilling).

It's hard to find a way to convey that idea, but he did it.

The thing is, of course, if you drill a small part of one acre or block of land, it relegates the entire block or acre as no longer pristine wilderness.

The bill has some pie in the sky name, you know the framing thing the GOP does so well. Like the wonderful energy supply and great jobs bill.

:puke:

[babylonsister]

1. Closed debate rules-any reason given for that?

Does that mean they're not being televised/made public?

[Humor_In_Cuneiform]

2. It is on CSPAN. It is S.O.P. for the House GOP'ers to do that.

One of many reasons why Dems in the House have a very hard time.

DeLay brought such a wonderful atmosphere to that Legislative body.

:sarcasm:

[babylonsister]

5. If it's on CSPAN, do you know what

"closed debate rules" means? Honest question because I don't. :shrug:

[Humor_In_Cuneiform]

17. I'm not completely sure. But among the things that tend to happen

is a severely restricted time for debate, as well as not allowing any amendments to the bill to come to the floor.

[Humor_In_Cuneiform]

20. Per CSPAN: Closed Rule

"A Closed Rule bans amendments to a bill on the House floor, with the exception of Committee amendments.
Committee amendments are approved in advance by a committee and offered by its chairman or his/her designee.
House ..."

http://www.c-span.org/guide/congress/glossary/closed.htm

[Viva_La_Revolution]

4. it's on CSPAN

needs a 2/3 yea vote to go to closed debate.

They're voting on a resolution now, for closed debate?

[Humor_In_Cuneiform]

3. They are NOW voting. Only 1 hour of debate was allowed.

:puke:

[Viva_La_Revolution]

7. If this vote passes, they have another hour of debate on the complete

bill this got stuck into.

[Humor_In_Cuneiform]

8. You're right. This vote is on rules for debate etc.

[madokie]

6. I guess the f'ing repukes think the world is theirs and theirs alone

to do with it what they may. well this okie has about had all this lying, conniving, scheming, destroying excretment that I can stand. Damn son we gonna have to do something about this

[Humor_In_Cuneiform]

9. They do feel a great deal of entitlement, and they lie steal and cheat

to get what they want.

[magellan]

10. Oh, they're not being truthful! Whatta surprise

I think it was last month's NatGeo that had an article about ANWR and other Alaskan drilling sites in it. Once they get into a place there's a gradual sprawl of buildings and equipment to support the operation. It looks horrible, destroys the landscape and impacts wildlife.

The return on ANWR (10 years down the road) is estimated to be a 6-month supply of oil. SIX MONTHS. The environmental impact will last much longer and may even be permanent.

Another great Republican idea.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

11. It's a sham bill aimed at constituents

the Major oil companies have publicly stated that drilling there is not profitable. Several have pulled out of Alaska completely. A Dem said this on the floor this morning, but I didn't catch who. (I got distracted by the GUILTY Verdicts in the Enron trial. :) )

[Humor_In_Cuneiform]

13. I heard that too, but so many spoke I can't recall who it was.

Some of the Dems who spoke were Kucinich and Salazar.

[Humor_In_Cuneiform]

12. I was on a trip with a couple of naturalists from Alaska, as well

as a lot of other folks.

In fact one of them does some writing for National Geographic.

They verified the same facts you cite, when I brought them up.

What you say about the sprawl also relates to the 2000 acre decption. See the opening post for the Oregon Rep's analogy regarding that.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

14. Debating now on Resolution to commission a report

How to "envronmentaly safely" rape the last pristine bit of Wilderness

[Norquist Nemesis]

15. Here we go!...AGAIN! Thirty minutes on each side

and so it begins. Might get hot; they're demanding order! order!

[Norquist Nemesis]

16. Pombo: We're going to have the opportunity to hear a lie

:rofl:

[Viva_La_Revolution]

18. Markey up

"We should be debating here today about how to ramp up sustainable energy, and how to save resources, instead the Majority wants to drill ANWAR"

They have changed the language
There has been no debate on this bill

[Viva_La_Revolution]

19. Hey Alaskians! Young says you guys WANT to drill ANWAR

What say you?

[Humor_In_Cuneiform]

22. They may want it. But it is a National resource, a National Wildlife

Refuge.

I'm tired of the GOP rhetoric, must go get fresh air, no lies, no spin.

Carry on bros and sisters!!!

[Norquist Nemesis]

21. Unbelievable! They just blamed Clinton!

Don Youn (R-Alaska) just said, "President Clinton...CLINTON (with a sneer) vetoed this bill. We'd have a billion barells of oil today if Clinton hadn't voted it."

[Norquist Nemesis]

23. Now, he's referencing Adolf Hitler and South Africa

:wtf:

[Viva_La_Revolution]

24. Boehlert (R) is on our side??!!!

He brought up the reference to Clinton vetoing, and said if Congress hadn't blocked new fuel standards we wouldn't have to be discussing this bill at all!

:wow:

[Viva_La_Revolution]

25. Hayworth

:puke:

[Norquist Nemesis]

I second that

:puke: :puke:

He's trying to yield Blumenauer. Typical. Good for EB! "I only have 90 seconds".

[Viva_La_Revolution]

26. Blumenauer rocks!

:loveya:

bringing up the Golf Course reference again!

"do the math"

[Viva_La_Revolution]

27. Hayes R

"We don't want to drill it, we just want to EXPLORE it."

:eyes:

[Viva_La_Revolution]

28. Nancy Johnson R

95% of North Slope is avail now for drilling
Oil Co's own those leases

They are mothballing (capping) wells

Existing fields are good for 20-25 years

Oppose this bill!!

Good lady (at least today)

[Viva_La_Revolution]

29. Miller (D) for 5 minutes

[Norquist Nemesis]

30. UGH! Marsha Blackburn now

:puke:

Time to mute it and fix some lunch.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

31. 3 min D and 4 R remaining nt

[Viva_La_Revolution]

32. Miller moves to recommit the bill back to committee

introducing amendment to prevent current lease holders from exploiting the Royalty holiday if ANWAR is opened for drilling.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

33. Opposition to motion to recommit

Pombo is such a POS

[Viva_La_Revolution]

34. postponed vote on this amendment

Res. 836 up now

Homeland security funding.

1 hour debate

Nap time

[sarahlee]

35. They won....

HR 5429 just passed, I think the vote was Yea, 225; Nay, 20l. It will be awhile before the official roll call is posted.

...and 27 dems defected and voted YES.

House OKs Oil Drilling in Alaska Refuge

WASHINGTON -- Citing the public outcry over $3-a-gallon gasoline and America's heavy reliance on foreign oil, the House voted Thursday to open an Alaska wildlife refuge to oil drilling, knowing the prospects for Senate approval were slim.

Drilling proponents contend that the refuge on Alaska's North Slope would provide 1 million barrels a day of additional domestic oil at peak production and reduce the need for imports.

But opponents to developing what environmentalists argue is a pristine area where drilling will harm caribou, polar bears and migratory birds, said Congress should pursue conservation and alternative energy sources that would save more oil than would be tapped from the refuge.

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=politicsNews&storyID=2006-05-25T193441Z_01_WAT005657_RTRUKOC_0_US-ENERGY-CONGRESS-ANWR.xml

Thanks to everyone who did make calls.