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OregonBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 09:45 AM
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Interesting Capitol Hill Blue article. Is it true?
Bush could seize absolute control of U.S. government
By DOUG THOMPSON
Publisher, Capitol Hill Blue
Jan 13, 2006, 07:42 Email this article
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President George W. Bush has signed executive orders giving him sole authority to impose martial law, suspend habeas corpus and ignore the Posse Comitatus Act that prohibits deployment of U.S. troops on American streets. This would give him absolute dictatorial power over the government with no checks and balances.

Bush discussed imposing martial law on American streets in the aftermath of the 9/11 terrorist attacks, activating “national security initiatives” put in place by Ronald Reagan during the 1980s.

These “national security initiatives, hatched in 1982 by controversial Marine Colonel Oliver North, later one of the key players in the Iran-Contra Scandal, charged the Federal Emergency Management Agency with administering executive orders that allowed suspension of the Constitution, implementation of martial law, internment camps, and the turning the government over to the President and the agency.

John Brinkerhoff, deputy director of FEMA, developed the martial law implementation plan, following a template originally developed by former FEMA director Louis Guiffrida to battle a “national uprising of black militants.” Gifuffrida’s implementation of martial law called for jailing at least 21 million African Americans in “relocation camps.” Brinkerhoff later admitted in an interview with the Miami Herald that President Reagan signed off on the initiatives and they remained in place, dormant, until George W. Bush took office.


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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 09:46 AM
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1. Of course it isn't true.
CHB is a disinformation outlet.
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 09:54 AM
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5. I agree with their disinformation
but I have to admit....I love their name!
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 02:05 PM
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107. LONG POST WARNING) - disinformation is possible but many repeat it
Edited on Fri Jan-13-06 02:08 PM by papau

http://www.totse.com/en/conspiracy/the_new_world_order/scrtgovt.html

http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:GnYmp-1nTRMJ:www.totse.com/en/conspiracy/the_new_world_order/scrtgovt.html+Guiffrida&hl=en

The Secret Government
by Sax Allen
The Secret Goverment

On July 5, 1987 the front page of the Miami Herald Newspaper carried a now famous article describing secret White House plans to:

A.) DECLARE AN UNDEFINED "NATIONAL EMERGENCY,"

B.) RE-OPEN CONCENTRATION CAMPS FOR PREVENTIVE DETENTION OF LEGAL DISSIDENTS, CERTAIN ETHNIC GROUPS, AND

C.) SUSPEND OUR UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION

Those of us viewing the Iran-Contragate hearings, then being broadcast live on TV, had our curiousity peaked when one committee member began inquiring about an article alleging secret White House plans to suspend the Constitution.

We were even more puzzled when committee chair Daniel Inouye interrupted him demanding all discussion on that question take place in closed session, out of public hearing.

Not content to wonder, I researched the original article, transcribed it, and now present it to you for your urgent consideration. You have a right to read this. In fact, you'd better know about it because it's about secret White House plans to remove your rights by SUSPENDING OUR UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION. It's about a government which we, the people, did NOT elect but which has gained power nonetheless.

What follows is not the whole story but a crucial and overlooked part of it. Read "between the lines" and very carefully. This is not some paranoid's nightmare or some fanatic's fantasy. This is reality in the Reagan White House.

---***---

Please copy this article and circulate it among your friends and co-workers. If George Bush gets into the White House, we'll have "elected," or had selected for us, precisely the same carnivorous crew comprising The Secret Government referred to in this article.

---***---

First, I offer three appropriate quotes which provide a certain perspective in which to view what follows. Then, I present the "sidebar" articles which summarized and accompanied the main article. Finally, I give you the complete text of the original article, unedited and uncensored. While local papers ignored this historic article or presented only extracts from it, none of them gave you this, the entire text.

---***---

The following did not appear with the original article but they provide a certain appropriate perspective on it:

"Perception of reality is sometimes more important than reality itself." -Henry Kissenger

"He who controls the past, controls the future. He who controls the present, controls the past." -O'Brian, the dictator in George Orwell's novel "1984"

"If you don't like the news, go out and make some of your own!" -Scoop Nisker

---------------

from THE MIAMI HERALD....SUNDAY JULY 5, 1987....page one:

SOME SECRET ACTIVITIES

Sources say the parallel government behind the Reagan administration engaged in secret actions including:

A CONTINGENCY plan to suspend Constitution and impose martial law in United States in case of nuclear war or national rebellion.

1985 VISIT to Libya by William Wilson, then U.S. ambassador to Vatican and close Reagan friend, to meet with Libyan leader Col. Moammar Gadhafi.

HAVING ROUTES of sophisticated surveillance satellites altered to follow Soviet ships around world.

LAUNCHING of spy aircraft on secret missions over Cuba and Nicaragua.

PROPOSAL in 1981 to provide covert support of anti- Sandinista groups that fled Nicaragua after Sandinista revolution in 1979.

DISSEMINATION of information that cast Nicaragua as threat to neighbors and United States.

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Before Reagan was elected, campaign aides who became the president's top advisers carried out these secret activities:

CREATION in 1980 of October Surprise Group to monitor President Carter's negotiations with Iran for release of 52 American hostages. Group met with man who claimed to represent Iran and who offered to release hostages to Reagan. Offer declined, officials say.

ACQUISITION of stolen confidential briefing materials from Carter's campaign before Oct. 28, 1980, Carter-Reagan debate.

---***---



PRINCIPALS:

William Clark: Allowed bigger North role at NSC. William Casey: Kept guard on President Carter

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What follows is the complete text of the original article as printed in the Miami Herald for July 5, 1987:

REAGAN AIDES AND THE 'SECRET' GOVERNMENT

by ALFONSO CHARDY, HERALD WASHINGTON BUREAU

WASHINGTON -- Some of President Reagan's top advisers have operated a virtual parallel government outside the traditional Cabinet departments and agencies almost from the day Reagan took office, congressional investigators and administration officials have concluded.

Investigators believe that the advisers' activities extended well beyond the secret arms sales to Iran and aid to the contras now under investigation.

Lt. Col. Oliver North, for example, helped draw up a controversial plan to suspend the Constitution in the event of a national crisis, such as nuclear war, violent and widespread internal dissent or national opposition to a U.S. military invasion abroad.

When the attorney general at the time, William French Smith, learned of the proposal, he protested in writing to North's boss, then-national security adviser Robert McFarlane.

The advisers conducted their activities through secret contacts throughout the government with persons who acted at their direction but did not officially report to them.

The activities of those contacts were coordinated by the National Security Council, the officials and investigators said.

There appears to have been no formal directive for the advisers' activities, which knowledgeable sources described as a parallel government.

In a secret assessment of the activities, the lead counsel for the Senate Iran-contra committee called it a "secret government-within-a-government."

The arrangement permitted Reagan administration officials to claim that they were not involved in controversial or illegal activities, the officials said.

"It was the ultimate plausible deniability," said a well-briefed official who has served the Reagan administration since 1982 and who often collaborated on covert assistance to the Nicaraguan contras.

The roles of top-level officials and of Reagan himself are still not clear. But that is expected to be a primary topic when North appears before the Iran-contra committees beginning Tuesday. Special prosecutor Lawrence Walsh also is believed to be trying to prove in his investigation of the Iran-contra affair that government officials engaged in a criminal conspiracy.

ADVISERS FORMED SHADOW GOVERNMENT, PROBERS SAY

Much of the time, Cabinet secretaries and their aides were unaware of the advisers' activities. When they periodically detected operations, they complained or tried to derail them, interviews show.

But no one ever questioned the activities in a broad way, possibly out of a belief that the advisers were operating with presidential sanction, officials said.

Reagan did know of or approve at least some of the actions of the secret group, according to previous accounts by aides, friends and high-ranking foreign officials.

One such case is the 1985 visit to Libya by William Wilson, then-U.S. ambassador to the Vatican and a close Reagan friend, to meet with Libyan leader Col. Moammar Gadhafi, officials said last week. Secretary of State George Shultz rebuked Wilson, but the officials said Reagan knew of the trip in advance.

The heart of the secret structure from 1983 to 1986 was North's office in the Old Executive Office Building adjacent to the White House, investigators believe.

North's influence within the secret structure was so great, the sources said, that he was able to have the orbits of sophisticated surveillance satellites altered to follow Soviet ships around the world, call for the launching of high-flying spy aircraft on secret missions over Cuba and Nicaragua and become involved in sensitive domestic activities.

Many initiatives

Others in the structure included some of Reagan's closest friends and advisers, including former national security adviser William Clark, the late CIA Director William Casey and Attorney General Edwin Meese, officials and investigators said.

Congressional investigators said the Iran deal was just one of the group's initiatives. They say exposure of the unusual arrangement may be the legacy of their inquiry.

"After we establish that a policy decision was made at the highest levels to transfer responsibility for contra support to the NSC..., we favor examining how that decision was implemented," wrote Arthur Liman, chief counsel of the Senate committee, in a secret memorandum to panel leaders Sens. Daniel Inouye, D-Hawaii, and Warren Rudman, R- N.H., before hearings began May 5.

"This is the part of the story that reveals the whole secret government-within-a-government, operated from the by a Lt. Col., with its own army, air force, diplomatic agents, intelligence operatives and appropriations capacity," Limon wrote in the memo, parts of which were shared with The Herald.

A spokesman for Liman declined comment but did not dispute the memo's existence.

A White House official rejected the notion that any of Reagan's advisers were operating secretly.

"The president has constantly expressed his foreign policy positions to the public and has consulted with the Congress," the official said.

Began in 1980

Congressional investigators and current and former officials interviewed -- members of the CIA, State Department and Pentagon -- said they still do not have a full record of the impact of the the advisers' activities.

But based on investigations and personal experience, they believe the secret governing arrangement traces its roots to the last weeks of Reagan's 1980 campaign.

Officials say the genesis may have been an October 1980 decision by Casey, Reagan's campaign manager and a former officer in the World War II precursor of the CIA, to create an October Surprise Group to monitor Jimmy Carter's feverish negotiations with Iran for the release of 52 American hostages.

The group, led by campaign foreign policy adviser Richard Allen, was founded out of concern Carter might pull off an "October surprise" such as a last-minute deal for the release of the hostages before the Nov. 4 election. One of the group's first acts was a meeting with a man claiming to represent Iran who offered to release the hostages to Reagan.

Allen -- Reagan's first national security adviser-- and another campaign aide, Laurence Silberman, told The Herald in April of the meeting. they said McFarlane, then a Senate Armed Services Committee aide, arranged and attended it. McFarlane later became Reagan's national security adviser and played a key role in the Iran-contra affair. Allen and Silberman said they rejected the offer to release the hostages to Reagan.

Briefing book theft

Congressional aides now link another well-known campaign incident -- the theft of confidential briefing materials from Carter's campaign before the Oct. 28, 1980, Carter-Reagan debate -- to the same group of advisers.

They believe that Casey obtained the briefing materials and passed them to James Baker, another top Reagan campaign aide, who was White House chief of staff in Reagan's first term.

Once Reagan was sworn in, the group moved quickly to set itself up, officials said. Within months, the advisers were clashing with officials in the traditional agencies.

Six weeks after Reagan was sworn in, apparently over State Department objections, then-CIA director Casey submitted a proposal to Reagan calling for covert support of anti-Sandinista groups that had fled Nicaragua after the 1979 revolution.



It is still unclear whether Casey cleared the plan with Reagan. But In November 1981 the CIA secretly flew an Argentine military leader, Gen. Leopoldo Galtieri, to Washington to devise a secret agreement under which Argentine military officers trained Nicaraguan rebels, according to an administration official familiar with the agreement.

About the same time, North completed his transfer to the NSC from the Marine Corps. Those who worked with North in 1981 remember his first assignments as routine, although not unimportant.

North, they recalled, was briefly assigned to carry the "football," the briefcase containing the secret contingency plans for fighting a nuclear war, which is taken everywhere the president goes. North later widened his assignment to cover national crisis contingency planning. In that capacity he became involved with the controversial national crisis plan drafted by the Federal Emergency Management Agency.

NATIONAL CRISIS PLAN

From 1982 to 1984, North assisted FEMA, the U.S. government's chief national crisis-management unit, in revising contingency plans for dealing with nuclear war, insurrection or massive military mobilization.

North's involvement with FEMA set off the first major clash between the official government and the advisers and led to the formal letter of protest in 1984 from then- Attorney General Smith.

Smith was in Europe last week and could not be reached for comment.

But a government official familiar with North's collaboration with FEMA said then-Director Louis O. Guiffrida, a close friend of Meese's, mentioned North in meetings during that time as FEMA's NSC contact.

Guiffrida could not be reached for comment, but FEMA spokesman Bill McAda confirmed the relationship.

"Officials of FEMA met with Col. North during 1982 to 1984," McAda said. "These meetings were appropriate to Col. North's duties with the National Security Council and FEMA's responsibilities in certain areas of national security."

FEMA's clash with Smith occurred over a secret contingency plan that called for suspension of the Constitution, turning control of the United States over to FEMA, appointment of military commanders to run state and local governments and declaration of martial law during a national crisis.

The plan did not define national crisis, but it was understood to be nuclear war, violent and widespread internal dissent or national opposition against a military invasion abroad.

PLAN WAS PROTESTED

The official said the contingency plan was written as part of an executive order or legislative package that Reagan would sign and hold within the NSC until a severe crisis arose.

The martial law portions of the plan were outlined in a June 30, 1982, memo by Guiffrida's deputy for national preparedness programs, John Brinkerhoff. A copy of the memo was obtained by The Herald.

The scenario outlined in the Brinkerhoff memo resembled somewhat a paper Guiffrida had written in 1970 at the Army War College in Carlisle, Pa., in which he advocated martial law in case of a national uprising by black militants. The paper also advocated the roundup and transfer to "assembly centers or relocation camps" of at least 21 million "American Negroes."

When he saw the FEMA plans, Attorney General Smith became alarmed. He dispatched a letter to McFarlane Aug. 2, 1984 lodging his objections and urging a delay in signing the directive.

"I believe that the role assigned to the Federal Emergency Management Agency in the revised Executive Order exceeds its proper function as a coordinating agency for emergency preparedness," Smith said in the letter to McFarlane, which The Herald obtained. "This department and others have repeatedly raised serious policy and legal objections to the creation of an 'emergency czar' role for FEMA."

It is unclear whether the executive order was signed or whether it contained the martial law plans. Congressional sources familiar with national disaster procedures said they believe Reagan did sign an executive order in 1984 that revised national military mobilization measures to deal with civilians in case of nuclear war or other crisis.

ORCHESTRATED NEWS LEAKS

Around the time that issue was producing fireworks with the administration, McFarlane and Casey reassigned North from national crisis planning to international covert management of the contras. The transfer came after North took a personal interest, realizing that neither the State Department nor any other government agency wanted to handle the issue after it became clear early in 1984 that Congress was moving to bar official aid to the rebels.

The new assignment, plus North's natural organizational ability, creativity and the sheer energy he dedicated to the issue, gradually led to an expansion of his power and stature within the covert structure, officials and investigators believe.

Meese also was said to have played a role in the secret government, investigators now believe, but his role is less clear.

Meese sometimes referred private American citizens to the NSC so they could be screened and contacted for soliciting support for the Nicaraguan contras.

One of those supporters, Philip Mabry of Fort Worth, told The Herald earlier this year that in 1983 he was told by fellow conservatives in Texas to contact Meese, then White House counselor, if he wanted to help the contras. After he contacted Meese's office, Mabry received a letter from Meese obtained by The Herald advising him that his name had been given to the "appropriate people."

Shortly thereafter, Mabry said, a woman who identified herself as Meese's secretary gave him the name and phone number of another NSC secretary who, in turn, gave him North and his secretary, Fawn Hall, as contacts.

Meese's Justice Department spokesman, Patrick Korten, denies that Meese was part of North's secret contra supply network and notes that Meese does not recall having referred anyone to North on contra-related matters.

In addition to North's role as contra commander and fund-raiser, North became secret overseer of the State Department's Office of Public Diplomacy, through which the Reagan administration disseminated information that cast Nicaragua as a threat to its neighbors and the United States.

An intelligence source familiar with North's relationship with that office said North was directly involved in many of the best publicized news leaks, including the Nov. 4, 1984, Election Day announcement that Soviet-made MiG jet fighters were on their way to Nicaragua.

McFarlane is now believed to have been the senior administration official who told reporters that the Soviet cargo ship Bakuriani, en route to Nicaragua from a Soviet Black Sea port, was probably carrying MiGs.

The intelligence official said North apparently recommended that the information be leaked to the press on Election Day so it would reach millions of people watching election results. CBS and NBC broadcast the report that night.

CLARK HAD KEY ROLE

The leak led to a new clash between the regular bureaucracy and the president's advisers. The official State Department spokesman, John Hughes, tried hard to play down the report, pointing out that it was unproven that the Bakuriani was carrying MiGs. At the same time, employees of the Office of Public Diplomacy, acting under North's direction, insisted that the crates were inside the ship and that MiGs were still a possibility.

To take a closer look, the source said, North requested a high-flying SR-71 Blackbird spy aircraft be sent from Beale Air Force Base near Sacramento, Calif., to fly over the Nicaraguan port of Corinto while the Bakuriani unloaded its cargo. The pictures showed that the Bakuriani unloaded helicopters, not MiGs.

North was not the only adviser who operated outside traditional government channels, investigators have concluded.

Others were known as the RIGLET, a semi-official unit made up of North; Alan Fiers, a CIA Central American affairs officer; and Elliott Abrams, the current assistant secretary of state for inter-American affairs, according to Abrams' subordinate Richard Melton. Melton revealed the existence of the RIGLET in a deposition given to the Iran- contra committees. The name is a diminutive for RIG, which stands for Restricted Interagency Group.

Among the RIGLET's actions was ordering the U.S. ambassador to Costa Rica, Lewis Tambs, to assist the contras in setting up a front in southern Nicaragua. Tambs, who resigned suddenly last year after his links to North were revealed, testified about the instructions to Iran-contra investigators.

But perhaps the key to the parallel government was the role played by Reagan's second national security adviser, William Clark. It was during Clark's tenure that North began to gain influence in the NSC.

Clark also recruited several midlevel officers from the Pentagon and the CIA to work on a special Central American task force in 1983 to push aid for El Salvador, a task force member said.

"Judge Clark was the granddaddy of the system," he said. "I was working at the Pentagon on another issue when my boss said that because of special circumstances, I was to be reassigned to the task force."

A former administration official familiar with Clark's activities said Clark also had approved contacts between Vatican Ambassador Wilson and Libya before Wilson's November 1985 journey, which came after McFarlane replaced Clark at the NSC.

The former official said Wilson also had carried out secret missions for the Reagan administration in a Latin American country where Wilson reportedly maintained contacts with high-level officials. The source asked that the country not be identified because the system is still in place and had reduced tensions by circumventing the regular bureaucracies of both countries.

Calls to Wilson's and Clark's offices in California were not returned.


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A man-made disaster


Is the real "emergency" that FEMA is preparing for martial law?

By nessie

<snip>In October 1984, syndicated columnist Jack Anderson reported that the Federal Emergency Management Agency, FEMA for short, had prepared ominous "standby legislation" that would, in the event of a national crisis, "suspend the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, effectively eliminate private property, abolish free enterprise, and generally clamp Americans in a totalitarian vise." Such a document could easily be called a blueprint for a coup d'état. FEMA called it "national security planning."

Before Anderson's column, most Americans had never even heard of this obscure government agency. They had apparently not been paying attention. FEMA had been around since Jimmy Carter established the agency as a catchall for natural disaster relief and civil defense planning. President Carter's Executive Order 12148, of July 20, 1979, retroactively made effective July 15, brought FEMA to life. It revoked 13 previously issued Executive Orders and amended 19 others. But as we shall see, FEMA's roots go deeper than that – very much deeper.

Many Americans too young to remember 1984 know FEMA only from the rant of a seemingly deranged character in the movie X-Files: Fight the Future. Dr. Kurtzweil spells it out: "FEMA allows the White House to suspend constitutional government upon declaration of a national emergency. It allows creation of a nonelected national government. Think about that, Agent Mulder!"

Media intentionally blurs fact and fiction. But far from being a fantastic construct of Hollywood, FEMA is all too real. Some people refer to it as America's "secret government." It really does have more power than Congress or the President of the United States. It really can suspend laws. It can move entire populations. It can arrest and detain citizens without a warrant and hold them without trial. It can seize property, food supplies, transportation systems. It can, at will, suspend the Constitution. That is indeed worth thinking about, particularly these days.

FEMA, the most powerful entity in the United States, was not even created under constitutional law by Congress. It was a product of a Presidential Executive Order. It is not an elected body. We the people have no say whatsoever in who runs it or what it does. It has a quasi-secret budget in the billions of dollars and does not involve itself in public disclosures. We don't even know what all of its plans are. But we can make certain educated extrapolations about them if we first look at a few of the players and some of their previous planning behavior.

FEMA as we know it today really took shape during the Reagan administration. Reagan and presidential counsel (later U.S. attorney general) Edwin Meese III tapped their old friend Louis O. Guiffrida to head the agency. Guiffrida was a former California National Guard officer who was obsessed with security. He liked to be prepared for all contingencies and had himself deputized so he could pack a side arm at the office. During the late sixties and early seventies, when Reagan was governor of California, Guiffrida had served as his terrorism advisor. It was Guiffrida who founded the California Specialized Training Institute, in San Luis Obispo, a school for police and military commandos. Out of CSTI came the modern Special Weapons and Tactics team, admittedly an adaptation of long-range search-and-destroy patrol techniques applied to urban America. Alumni of this and similar programs include the law officers who slaughtered Patty Hearst's comrades in the Symbionese Liberation Army by burning them alive on live TV. This happened just six months after the November 1973 graduation of the first 40 students of the San Luis Obispo school's SWAT program. <snip>
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An order to cease and desist would have been more appropriate, but perhaps the subcommittee's inadequate response is forgivable on grounds of ignorance. While they had a copy of the Garden Plot master plan, they hadn't been shown any of the more detailed subplans. In 1975 two journalists, Ron Ridenhour and Arthur Lublow, uncovered one of those subplans. It was named Operation Cable Splicer. To understand the FEMA of today, the FEMA that Louis Guiffrida and his friends created, you must understand Operation Cable Splicer.

To understand Cable Splicer, you must understand its context. The late 60s and early 70s were a turbulent era. In 1965, as America's troop strength in Vietnam was rising dramatically, Watts exploded in rioting before it was completely suppressed 36 people had been killed and more than 1,000 had been injured. In 1966 racial discrimination, economic injustice and the Vietnam War sparked 21 major riots and civil disturbances. In 1967 there 83 such incidents. A third of the 83 were marked by incidents of sniping. In more than half of them, looting took place. The National Guard was required to suppress 25. <snip>


"At no time during the first year of the (Nixon?) Subcommittee investigation," stated its staff report, "did either the Army or the Department of Defense admit that a computer (record) on civilian political activity existed within the Pentagon's domestic war room." When it was discovered, the staff found 18,000 files, including some on ordinary people, who had quite unknowingly become "associated with known militant groups." It also included Sen. George McGovern. McGovern was defeated a few years later by a landslide in the election best known for the Watergate break-in. The Watergate break-in was definitely not the first intelligence gathering op against McGovern. <snip>


The vast subterranean fortress at Mount Weather, Virginia, appears to be the current nerve center. It is the real life counterpart of the fictional "Mount Thunder," where coup plotters holed up in the thriller Seven Days in May. In 1975, California Sen. John Tunney charged that Mount Weather held dossiers on 100,000 or more Americans. Tunney claimed that the computer system there gives the installation access to detailed information on the lives of virtually every American citizen. Predictably, Mount Weather personnel stonewalled question after question in two Senate hearings. The seven-level deep facility, built during the cold war years, has been expanded and is lavishly maintained by and for FEMA executives and national officials. One source reports that the agency has spent approximately 94 percent of its budget not on disasters, but on this and dozens of other mostly secret underground installations.

In May 1968, barely a month after the Army task group became the Directorate, the workshop and seminar on civil disturbance control, called Cable Splicer I, was held at the California National Guard's training academy at the San Luis Obispo camp. Three hundred and seven law enforcement and military officials attended. It was a prelude to Cable Splicer II, which was to be a much bigger affair.

Part II began on Feb. 10, 1969. The Governor's Orientation Conference kicked off a series of joint military-police training sessions across California. There were 500 people in the audience. They included a dozen Military Intelligence officers, generals from the Pentagon, the Sixth Army, and the National Guard, along with dozens of lesser officers. Police chiefs and sheriffs came from as far east as Washington, D.C. California state legislators attended as did executives from telephone, utility, and defense contract companies. <snip>


At the Cable Splicer II conference, Chief Deputy Attorney General Charles O'Brien argued that if the Constitution prevents the police from gathering political intelligence then, the Constitution goes too far. Deputy Attorney General Buck Compton declared that "free speech, civil rights, rights to assembly" had all become "clichés." "Dissidents," he stated, "go beyond ... honest dissent, honest and proper use of the right of free speech." <snip>


FEMA's wartime crisis strategy was tested in a series of simulated war games conducted in conjunction with Pentagon maneuvers. In early 1984 President Reagan signed Presidential Directive Number 54 that allowed FEMA to engage in a secret national "readiness exercise" under the code name of Rex-84. Rex-84 was coordinated by FEMA with the military's Night Train 84 operations. In Operation Night Train thousands of troops were deployed in Honduras near Contra supply bases.

Daniel Sheehan, attorney with the Christic Institute law firm, suspected that Rex-84 served as cover for illegal arms shipments to the Nicaraguan Contras. Sheehan claimed that FEMA distributed "hundreds of tons of small arms and ammunition" to civilian militiamen in "state defense forces" in the United States. He cited unnamed sources, including one described as a member of FEMA's legal division. Sheehan never got a chance to argue his case in court. A judge threw out the Christic Institute's sweeping lawsuit, calling it "frivolous."

According to an August 1985 article in Penthouse magazine, coauthored by Donald Goldberg, who also helped research Jack Anderson's column on the subject, during the exercise FEMA would simulate rounding up and some 400,000 fictional "aliens" in a six-hour period and detain them in military camps throughout the United States. The theory behind the simulation was that an international crisis, presumably a U.S. invasion of Nicaragua, would set off what one declassified FEMA document called "uncontrolled population movements" as hordes of "refugees" swarmed over the Mexican border into the United States. FEMA apparently justified the not unprecedented use of concentration camps by presuming that the refugees would include enemy agents.
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http://www.drmenlo.com/samizdat/2004_02_22_archive.html#107775249829088248

Operation Garden Plot, FEMA: A Brief History
If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator
--George W Bush

George Bush, one term President? Like father like son; it looks as if that could be the case, even with the support of his corporate media cronies, the truth about him, and his administration is getting mainstream. The Black Box voting issue aside...

What my reading has shown though is that the present regime in DC is much bigger than George W. Bush. In fact, when the highest office in the land is under threat and the Vice President goes into hiding, what are we to think? Who is the front man? Who is/are the brains of the operation?

"Am I the evil genius in the corner that nobody ever sees come out of his hole? It's a nice way to operate, actually." --Dick Cheney


The Neoconservatives that people the present administration have been involved in governance at some level for decades, bringing their marginal political philosophy to the fore; its' policy of endless war, and lies to control the subordinate masses, to head the most powerful nation on Earth. We all saw how this cabal got into the White House...

I really care about my work here in the information cybersphere, and will offer documentation to back up what I have to offer; I don't want you to wonder if I am wearing a tinfoil beanie.

Operation Garden Plot
There is a plan to allow the military to assist law enforcement in quieting "civil unrest".

Urban areas can be the scene of inner-city conflicts, labor disputes, and political struggles. Disturbances in urban areas are usually fueled by aggrieved members of the community.

I'd like you to take a look at Field Manual (FM) 19-15 which spells out the military policy in controlling civil disturbance. The Field Manual is comprehensive; but I think you will be a bit more enlightened by giving it a good read. The way crowds are managed, the psychology behind say, behind soldiers holding their weapons at "safe port" so their bayonets are apparent to the folks in the back of the crowd, or when exploding CS grenades might be used rather than burning grenades to greater effect, even how a to choose between shooting protesters with either a rubber ring airfoil projectile or a CS powder containing CS projectile from the M234 launcher on your M-16.

The term "Rules of Engagement" is not used for domestic operations- the term "Rules for Use of Force" applies.

Alright, so perhaps the military can be called out for such domestic disturbances as riots, you may be thinking, remembering Los Angeles after the police we watched beat Rodney King so many times on the tv were aquited. The Los Angeles Riots saw deployment of active duty Marines and Army Troops, as well as federalized California National Guard Troops. The National Guard is not constrained by Posse Comitatus Act. Once Federalized it is constrained, while under the command of the Govenor it is not.

What we saw in place in Los Angeles was Department of Defense Civil Disturbance Plan 55-2, better known as "Operation Garden Plot". This plan to use the military to deal with widescale domestic dissent had its origins in the rioting and unrest of 1967. Although the riots in Newark, New Jersey; New York City; Cleveland, Ohio; Washington, D.C.; Chicago, Illinois; and Atlanta, Georgia; and Detroit, Michigan were mostly confined to African Americans, the growing antiwar movement offered another domestic concern. There were 160
incidents such as these in 128 cities in the first nine months of 1967, the National Guard was called out at least 25 times. President Johnson called a National Advisory Commission on Civil Disorders into being to figure out the "why" of this mass unrest.

Army Chief of Staff Harold Johnson set up an task force to study the role of the Army in civil disturbances.

After Martin Luther King was assassinated rioting broke out in 19 US cities.

The army task force became the Directorate of Civil Disturbance Planning and Operations, which had a further name change to the Directorate of Military Support, working out of the basement of the Pentagon, it's headquarters known as "the domestic war room". A full time staff of 150 manned communications equipment in touch with the National Guard and the nation's military installations. A computer kept track of politcal dissent. And dissenters.

Ronald Reagan hired retired National Guard General Louis O. Giuffrida to implement a Garden Plot subplan called Cable Splicer. Giuffrida had earlier advocated "the detention of at least 21 million American Negroes in assembly centers or relocation camps" to counteract African American militancy. Reagan established a counter-terrorism training center, the California Specialized Training Institute; Guiffrida was commandant.

On October 30, 1969 President Nixon issued Executive Order 11490, cosolidating 21 Executive orders and 2 Defense Mobilization orders, assigning emergency preparedness functions to Federal departments and agencies.

President Ford created Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency (FEPA), in 1976, using Executive Order 11921, further consolidating Nixons order.

FEMA
In 1979 President Carter brought the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) into being with Executive Order 12148, expending on Ford's FEPA.

President Reagan made Louis Giuffrida his "emergency czar" as head of FEMA. Guiffrida created a Civil Security Division at
the agency, and set up a Civil Defense Training Center in Emmitsburg, Maryland, much like CSTI in California., where civilian defense personel were taught military police methods, counter-terrorism and survival skills. FEMA gained intelligence agency status by giving the National Security Council authority over the planning for civil defense and civil security by top secret National Security Decision Directive (NSDD) 26. Reagan further a senior-level interdepartmental board, the Emergency Mobilization Preparedness Board (EMPB) to develop a national policy statement on emergency mobilization preparedness.

Along with Guiffrida, Oliver North was a part of EMPB, having been assigned there by Robert McFarland from 1982 to 1984. Thier plans for an America run by FEMA and Presidential fiat where gaining attention. FEMA was collecting intelligence on American activists. A fact that placed them in conflict with Federal Bureau of Investigations Director William Webster. General Frank Salcedo, FEMA Director of Civil Security in the end had to turn over the 12,000 files his agency had collected. Attorney General William French Smith got wind of this and some of the details of the REX 84 readiness exercises conducted under President Reagan and involving 34 other agencies, an exercise that countenanced rounding up 100,000 Central American immigrants as well as taking control of the Department of Defense and shutting down the Constitution. Salcedo had been quoted saying "at least 100,000 U.S. citizens, from survivalists to tax protesters, were serious threats to civil security"

"Over the long term, the peacetime action programs of FEMA and other departments and agencies have the effect of making the conceivable need for military takeover less and less as time goes by. A fully implemented civil defense program may not now be regarded as a substitute for martial law, nor could it be so marketed, but if successful in its execution it could have that effect."-- Louis Giuffrida


Guiffrida was found to have used 170,000 dollars in FEMA funds to set himself up in a swank "batchelor pad" at the Emmitsburg training facility. He was let go and does not appear in FEMA's official history though he was there from its inception. FEMA was found to have spent its money on building a civil security infrastructure, but it neglected its given role, civil defense.

North was reappointed by McFarlane to the Office of Public Diplomacy, where he disseminated disinformation. Iran/Contra brought North's other crimes concerning Central America (including condoning Contra cocaine running into the US) and the crimes of many, some within the present administration into light. His FEMA/EMBP involvement became public as well; offering a glimpse into these malignant entities.

Reagan signed Executive Order 12656 putting the NSC at the helm of national security emergency preparedness policy. FEMA is now at hand to assist in policy implementation and co-ordination with Federal agencies, state and local governments. It advises the NSC on mobilization preparedness, civil defense and continuity of government among others.

FEMA is now... The Department of Homeland Security's Emergency Preparedness and Response Directorate.

What got me reading about this was the Sydney Morning Herald article "Foundations are in place for martial law in the US" The reading I've been doing points to the fact that a small group of hardliners has been in the background of GOP politics during some of the most shameful incidents of US history in the past 30+ years.

You should be aware, as stated in FM 100-19 "Principles of Operations Other Than War"

Perseverance - Prepare for the measured, protracted application of military capabilities in support of strategic aims. Domestic support operations may require years to achieve desired effects. They may not have a clear beginning or end decisively.

http://prorev.com/2005/09/amazing-scary-history-of-fema.htm

Sunday, September 11, 2005
THE AMAZING, SCARY HISTORY OF FEMA

WIKIPEDIA - Rex 84, short for Readiness Exercise 1984, was a plan by the United States federal government to accommodate the detention of large numbers of American citizens during times of emergency. Through Rex-84 an undisclosed number of concentration camps were set in operation throughout the United States, for internment of dissidents and others potentially harmful to the state. Existence of the Rex 84 plan was first revealed during the Iran-Contra Hearings in 1987, and subsequently reported by the Miami Herald on July 5, 1987

RITT GOLDSTEIN, SYDNEY MORNING HERALD, JULY 27 2002 - Recent pronouncements from the Bush Administration and national security initiatives put in place in the Reagan era could see internment camps and martial law in the United States. When president Ronald Reagan was considering invading Nicaragua he issued a series of executive orders that provided the Federal Emergency Management Agency with broad powers in the event of a "crisis" such as "violent and widespread internal dissent or national opposition against a US military invasion abroad". They were never used.
But with the looming possibility of a US invasion of Iraq, recent pronouncements by President George Bush's domestic security chief, Tom Ridge, and an official with the US Civil Rights Commission should fire concerns that these powers could be employed or a de facto drift into their deployment could occur.

On July 20 the Detroit Free Press ran a story entitled "Arabs in US could be held, official warns". The story referred to a member of the US Civil Rights Commission who foresaw the possibility of internment camps for Arab Americans. FEMA has practiced for such an occasion.

FEMA, whose main role is disaster response, is also responsible for handling US domestic unrest. From 1982-84 Colonel Oliver North assisted FEMA in drafting its civil defence preparations. Details of these plans emerged during the 1987 Iran-Contra scandal.

They included executive orders providing for suspension of the constitution, the imposition of martial law, internment camps, and the turning over of government to the president and FEMA.

A Miami Herald article on July 5, 1987, reported that the former FEMA director Louis Guiffrida's deputy, John Brinkerhoff, handled the martial law portion of the planning. The plan was said to be similar to one Mr Giuffrida had developed earlier to combat "a national uprising by black militants". It provided for the detention "of at least 21million American Negroes"' in "assembly centres or relocation camps".

Today Mr Brinkerhoff is with the highly influential Anser Institute for Homeland Security. Following a request by the Pentagon in January that the US military be allowed the option of deploying troops on American streets, the institute in February published a paper by Mr Brinkerhoff arguing the legality of this.

He alleged that the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878, which has long been accepted as prohibiting such deployments, had simply been misunderstood and misapplied. The preface to the article also provided the revelation that the national plan he had worked on, under Mr Giuffrida, was "approved by Reagan, and actions were taken to implement it".

By April, the US military had created a Northern Command to aid Homeland defence. Reuters reported that the command is "mainly expected to play a supporting role to local authorities". However, Mr Ridge, the Director of Homeland Security, has just advocated a review of US law regarding the use of the military for law enforcement duties.

Disturbingly, the full facts and final contents of Mr Reagan's national plan remain uncertain. This is in part because President Bush took the unusual step of sealing the Reagan presidential papers last November. However, many of the key figures of the Reagan era are part of the present administration, including John Poindexter, to whom Oliver North later reported.

At the time of the Reagan initiatives, the then attorney-general, William French Smith, wrote to the national security adviser, Robert McFarlane: "I believe that the role assigned to the Federal Emergency Management Agency in the revised Executive Order exceeds its proper function as a coordinating agency for emergency preparedness ... this department and others have repeatedly raised serious policy and legal objections to an 'emergency czar' role for FEMA."

MINDFULLY, 2004 - There over 800 prison camps in the United States, all fully operational and ready to receive prisoners. They are all staffed and even surrounded by full-time guards, but they are all empty. These camps are to be operated by FEMA should martial law need to be implemented in the United States and all it would take is a presidential signature on a proclamation and the attorney general's signature on a warrant to which a list of names is attached. . . The Rex 84 Program was established on the reasoning that if a "mass exodus" of illegal aliens crossed the Mexican/US border, they would be quickly rounded up and detained in detention centers by FEMA. Rex 84 allowed many military bases to be closed down and to be turned into prisons. Operation Cable Splicer and Garden Plot are the two sub programs which will be implemented once the Rex 84 program is initiated for its proper purpose. Garden Plot is the program to control the population. Cable Splicer is the program for an orderly takeover of the state and local governments by the federal government. FEMA is the executive arm of the coming police state and thus will head up all operations. The Presidential Executive Orders already listed on the Federal Register also are part of the legal framework for this operation. The camps all have railroad facilities as well as roads leading to and from the detention facilities. Many also have an airport nearby. The majority of the camps can house a population of 20,000 prisoners. Currently, the largest of these facilities is just outside of Fairbanks, Alaska. The Alaskan facility is a massive mental health facility and can hold approximately 2 million people.

ALFONSO CHARDY, MIAMI HERALD, JUL 5, 1987 - Some of President Reagan's top advisers have operated a virtual parallel government outside the traditional Cabinet departments and agencies almost from the day Reagan took office, congressional investigators and administration officials have concluded. Investigators believe that the advisers' activities extended well beyond the secret arms sales to Iran and aid to the contras now under investigation.
Lt. Col. Oliver North, for example, helped draw up a controversial plan to suspend the Constitution in the event of a national crisis, such as nuclear war, violent and widespread internal dissent or national opposition to a U.S. military invasion abroad. When the attorney general at the time, William French Smith, learned of the proposal, he protested in writing to North's boss, then-national security adviser Robert McFarlane.

The advisers conducted their activities through secret contacts throughout the government with persons who acted at their direction but did not officially report to them. The activities of those contacts were coordinated by the National Security Council, the officials and investigators said.

There appears to have been no formal directive for the advisers' activities, which knowledgeable sources described as a parallel government. In a secret assessment of the activities, the lead counsel for the Senate Iran-contra committee called it a "secret government-within-a-government."

The arrangement permitted Reagan administration officials to claim that they were not involved in controversial or illegal activities, the officials said. "It was the ultimate plausible deniability," said a well-briefed official who has served the Reagan administration since 1982 and who often collaborated on covert assistance to the Nicaraguan contras.

The roles of top-level officials and of Reagan himself are still not clear. But that is expected to be a primary topic when North appears before the Iran-contra committees beginning Tuesday. Special prosecutor Lawrence Walsh also is believed to be trying to prove in his investigation of the Iran-contra affair that government officials engaged in a criminal conspiracy.

Much of the time, Cabinet secretaries and their aides were unaware of the advisers' activities. When they periodically detected operations, they complained or tried to derail them, interviews show. But no one ever questioned the activities in a broad way, possibly out of a belief that the advisers were operating with presidential sanction, officials said.

Reagan did know of or approve at least some of the actions of the secret group, according to previous accounts by aides, friends and high-ranking foreign officials. . .

Officials say the genesis may have been an October 1980 decision by Casey, Reagan's campaign manager and a former officer in the World War II precursor of the CIA, to create an October Surprise Group to monitor Jimmy Carter's feverish negotiations with Iran for the release of 52 American hostages. The group, led by campaign foreign policy adviser Richard Allen, was founded out of concern Carter might pull off an "October surprise" such as a last-minute deal for the release of the hostages before the Nov. 4 election. . .

From 1982 to 1984, North assisted FEMA, the U.S. government's chief national crisis-management unit, in revising contingency plans for dealing with nuclear war, insurrection or massive military mobilization. North's involvement with FEMA set off the first major clash between the official government and the advisers and led to the formal letter of protest in 1984 from then- Attorney General Smith. . .

FEMA's clash with Smith occurred over a secret contingency plan that called for suspension of the Constitution, turning control of the United States over to FEMA, appointment of military commanders to run state and local governments and declaration of martial law during a national crisis. The plan did not define national crisis, but it was understood to be nuclear war, violent and widespread internal dissent or national opposition against a military invasion abroad. . .

The martial law portions of the plan were outlined in a June 30, 1982, memo by Guiffrida's deputy for national preparedness programs, John Brinkerhoff. A copy of the memo was obtained by The Herald. The scenario outlined in the Brinkerhoff memo resembled somewhat a paper Guiffrida had written in 1970 at the Army War College in Carlisle, Pa., in which he advocated martial law in case of a national uprising by black militants. The paper also advocated the roundup and transfer to "assembly centers or relocation camps" of at least 21 million "American Negroes."

When he saw the FEMA plans, Attorney General Smith became alarmed. He dispatched a letter to McFarlane Aug. 2, 1984 lodging his objections and urging a delay in signing the directive. "I believe that the role assigned to the Federal Emergency Management Agency in the revised Executive Order exceeds its proper function as a coordinating agency for emergency preparedness," Smith said in the letter to McFarlane, which The Herald obtained. "This department and others have repeatedly raised serious policy and legal objections to the creation of an 'emergency czar' role for FEMA."

It is unclear whether the executive order was signed or whether it contained the martial law plans. Congressional sources familiar with national disaster procedures said they believe Reagan did sign an executive order in 1984 that revised national military mobilization measures to deal with civilians in case of nuclear war or other crisis.

PROGRESSIVE REVIEW, 1996 - The issue arose again during the Iran-Contra affair, but even in the wake of all the copy on that scandal, the public got little sense of how far some America's soldiers of fortune were willing to go to achieve their ends. When the Iran-Contra hearings came close to the matter, chair Senator Inouye backed swiftly away. Here is an excerpt from those hearings. Oliver North is at the witness table:

REP BROOKS: Colonel North, in your work at the NSC, were you not assigned, at one time, to work on plans for the continuity of government in the event of a major disaster?

BRENDAN SULLIVAN: Mr. Chairman?

SEN INOUYE: I believe that question touches upon a highly sensitive and classified area so may I request that you not touch on that.

REP BROOKS: I was particularly concerned, Mr. Chairman, because I read in Miami papers, and several others, that there had been a plan developed by that same agency, a contingency plan in the event of emergency, that would suspend the American constitution. And I was deeply concerned about it and wondered if that was the area in which he had worked. I believe that it was and I wanted to get his confirmation.

SEN INOUYE; May I most respectfully request that that matter not be touched upon at this stage. If we wish to get into this, I'm certain arrangements can be made for an executive session

With few exceptions, the media ignored what well could be the most startling revelation to have come out of the Iran/Contra affair, namely that high officials of the US government were planning a possible military/civilian coup. First among the exceptions was the Miami Herald, which on July 5, 1987, ran the story to which Jack Brooks referred. The article, by Alfonzo Chardy, revealed Oliver North's involvement in plans for the Federal Emergency Management Agency to take over federal, state and local functions during an ill-defined national emergency.

According to Chardy, the plan called for 'suspension of the Constitution, turning control of the government over to the Federal Management Agency, emergency appointment of military commanders to run state and local governments and declaration of martial law.' The proposal appears to have forgotten that Congress, legislatures and the judiciary even existed.
In a November 18, 1991 story, the New York Times elaborated:

"Acting outside the Constitution in the early 1980s, a secret federal agency established a line of succession to the presidency to assure continued government in the event of a devastating nuclear attack, current and former United States officials said today.

"The program was called 'Continuity of Government.' In the words of a recent report by the Fund for Constitutional Government, "succession or succession-by-designation would be implemented by unknown and perhaps unelected persons who would pick three potential successor presidents in advance of an emergency. These potential successors to the Oval Office may not be elected, and they are not confirmed by Congress."

According to CNN, the list eventually grew to 17 names and included Howard Baker, Richard Helms, Jeanne Kirkpatrick James Schlesinger, Richard Thornberg, Edwin Meese, Tip O'Neil, and Richard Chaney.

The plan was not even limited to a nuclear attack but included any "national security emergency" which was defined as:

"Any occurrence, including natural disaster, military attack, technological or other emergency, that seriously degrades or seriously threatens the national security of the United States."

This bizarre scheme was dismissed in many Washington quarters as further evidence of the loony quality of the whole Iran/contra affair. One FEMA official called it a lot of crap while a representative for Attorney General Meese described it as 'bullshit."

The problem is that there is a long history of compatibility between madness and totalitarian takeovers, Adolph Hitler being a prime but far from lone example. Further, there is plenty of evidence in this case that the planning was far more than simply an off-the-wall brainstorm. At least one report found that the US Army had even gone so far as to draft a legal document providing justifications for martial law.

Nor was the planning limited to crises involving the total breakdown of society as in the aftermath of a nuclear attack. Among the justifiable uses of martial law were "national opposition to a US military invasion abroad" and widespread internal dissent. . .

FEMA was clearly out of control. Another memo, written in 1982 to then FEMA director Louis Giuffrida and given only tightly restricted circulation even within the agency, made this astonishing assertion:

"Over the long term, the peacetime action programs of FEMA and other departments and agencies have the effect of making the conceivable need for military takeover less and less as time goes by. A fully implemented civil defense program may not now be regarded as a substitute for martial law, nor could it be so marketed, but if successful in its execution it could have that effect."

The memo essentially proposed that the American people would rather be taken over by FEMA than by the military. When those are the options on the table, you know you're in trouble.

The head of FEMA until 1985, General Louis Giuffrida, also once wrote a paper on the Legal Aspects of Managing Disorders. Here is some of what he said:
"No constitution, no statute or ordinance can authorize Martial Rule. upon a determination (not a declaration) by the senior military commander that the civil government must be replaced because it is no longer functioning anyway . . . The significance of Martial Rule in civil disorders is that it shifts control from civilians and to the military completely and without the necessity of a declaration, proclamation or other form of public manifestation . . . As stated above, Martial Rule is limited only by the principle of necessary force."

Those words come from a time when Giuffrida was the head of then-Governor Reagan's California Specialized Training Institute, a National Guard school. It was not, for Giuffrida, a new thought. In 1970 he had written a paper for the Army War College in which he called for martial law in case of a national uprising by black militants. Among his ideas were "assembly centers or relocation camps" for at least 21 million "American Negroes."

During 1968 and 1972, Reagan ran a series of war games in California called Cable Splicer, which involved the Guard, state and local police, and the US Sixth Army. Details of this operation were reported in 1975 in a story by Ron Ridenour of the New Times, an Arizona alternative paper, and later exhumed by Dave Lindorff in the Village Voice.

Cable Splicer, it turned out, was a training exercise for martial law. The man in charge was none other than Edwin Meese, then Reagan's executive secretary. At one point, Meese told the Cable Splicer combatants:

This is an operation, this is an exercise, this is an objective which is going forward because in the long run . . . it is the only way that will be able to prevail

Addressing the kickoff of Cable Splicer, Governor Reagan told some 500 military and police officers:

"You know, there are people in the state who, if they could see this gathering right now and my presence here, would decide their worst fears and convictions had been realized -- I was planning a military takeover."

The Reaganites were not, however, the only ones with such thoughts. Consider this from a NSC directive written by Frank Carlucci in 1981:

"Normally a state of martial law will be proclaimed by the President. However, in the absence of such action by the President, a senior military commander may impose martial law in an area of his command where there had been a complete breakdown in the exercise of government functions by local civilian authorities."

THE PROGRESSIVE REVIEW, 1996 - The Constitution does not directly address the question of what should happen in the midst of a major national catastrophe. But neither does it give the slightest support to notions of turning matters over to non-elected civilian or military officials with plenary powers. The best guide is to be found in Amendment Ten which states that the powers of the federal government are those delegated to it by the states and the people. The states and the people have not delegated the power of martial law. Thus in a true crisis (such as a nuclear attack) the answer seems quite plain: the country would be run as a loose confederation of fifty states until a legitimate federal government could be re-established. In the interim, the highest officials in the land would be the governors.

PARAMETERS, JOURNAL OF THE ARMY WAR COLLEGE, 1997 - The unprecedented destruction of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Office Building in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, on 19 April 1995, raised another important legal issue affecting disaster relief operations. As one might imagine, all the resources of local, state, and federal government agencies were mobilized to deal with this shocking act of domestic terrorism. FEMA served as the primary focal point of relief operations, and Army assets were provided under the terms of the Stafford Act. FEMA officials were on the scene within hours of the explosion, and specialized rescue teams followed closely. The entire reaction has been categorized as a masterful melding of state and federal resources. However, the internal FEMA report underscores a natural tension between the rescue effort and the FBI which may be increasingly important in the future. The FBI, as part of the Department of Justice, determined that the entire area was a crime scene for the purposes of apprehending and successfully prosecuting the perpetrators of the bombing. The rescue effort's only goal was recovering survivors or their remains. This natural conflict must be resolved in order to facilitate the nation's response to the increasing threat of similar incidents.

Strategic leaders can take solace in the lessons learned from military participation in domestic disaster relief, for the record indicates that legal niceties or strict construction of prohibited conduct will be a minor concern. The exigencies of the situation seem to overcome legal proscriptions arguably applicable to our soldiers' conduct. Pragmatism appears to prevail when American soldiers help their fellow citizens. . .

Finally, leaders can take heart from the fact that the training and experience of today's soldiers allow them to make the right decisions in situations fraught with career and personal implications. . . .

Civilian and military leaders need to expect an increase in domestic deployments of US military forces. They need to recognize that each instance of use is accompanied by new and possibly unprecedented challenges. America's leaders should recognize that the relationship between America's Army and the American people is strong but may be compromised. Public confidence in the military can best be maintained by strict adherence to the legal underpinnings governing domestic operations of the armed forces. Applying the lessons learned from the early 1990s will maintain the excellent relationship between the people and the military well into the next century.

DECLAN MCULLAGH, WIRED, 2000: US Army is prepared to respond to disruptions ranging from civil disobedience to nuclear explosions at the Republican National Convention, a confidential government document says. The terrorism response plan includes flying giant C-5 Galaxy cargo planes loaded with military gear into Willow Grove Naval Air Station, about 25 miles outside the city, and assembling troops at three National Guard armories near the downtown protest areas. "Preparedness for nuclear, biological, chemical, and civil disturbance events, as well as potential weather-related disaster events, must be considered," says the Federal Emergency Management Agency document, obtained by Wired News from a source who asked to remain anonymous. A FEMA spokesman confirmed the authenticity of the document, but said he did not have any information that a terrorist attack was likely to happen during the GOP convention . . . The document, created by FEMA to supplement its usual procedures, says that the US First Army will, if necessary, execute Operation Garden Plot to quell any serious civil disturbances. Operation Garden Plot has long been an object of speculation by conspiracy theorists, but the watchdog group Federation of American Scientists describes it as the military's overall plan for "support related to domestic civil disturbances" that was last used during the Los Angeles riots in 1992. Critics such as the American Civil Liberties Union have protested the recent trend to use military troops for law enforcement purposes. If a terrorist attack happens, FEMA is responsible for aiding the FBI. But if the president declares martial law in response to looting, vandalism, or civil unrest, FEMA works with the Defense Department.

MICHEL CHOSSUDOVSKY, GLOBAL RESEARCH - A code red alert, according to the Federal Emergency Management Agency , would create conditions for the ("temporary" we are told) suspension of the normal functions of civilian government, implying the cancellation or postponement of federal and state elections.

According to FEMA, code red would: Increase or redirect personnel to address critical emergency needs; assign emergency response personnel and pre-position and mobilize specially trained teams or resources; monitor, redirect, or constrain transportation systems; and close public and government facilities not critical for continuity of essential operations, especially public safety.
Several functions of civilian administration would be suspended, others could be transferred to the jurisdiction of the military. More generally, the procedure would disrupt government offices, businesses, schools, public services, transportation, etc.

A secret "shadow government" . . . would become functional in the case of a red code alert, redeploying key staff to secret locations.

Code red alert would, according to FEMA, also preclude and repress any form of public gathering or citizens' protest which questions the legitimacy of the emergency procedures and the installation of a police state. The emergency authorities would also exert tight censorship over the media and would no doubt paralyze the alternative news media on the internet.

What would be the involvement of the Military in an code red emergency situation? In theory, The Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 prevents the military from intervening in civilian police and judicial functions. In practice, the Posse Comitatus Act is dead. The existing legislation inherited from the Clinton administration, not to mention the post 9/11 Patriot Acts I and II, "blurs the line between military and civilian roles," it allows the military to intervene in judicial and law enforcement activities even in the absence of an emergency situation.

The 1996 legislation allowed the military to intervene in the case of a national emergency (e.g.. a terrorist attack). Clinton's 1999 Defense Authorization Act extended those powers by creating an "exception" to the Posse Comitatus Act, which permits the military to be involved in civilian affairs "regardless of whether there is an emergency". In other words, the Clinton era legislation had already laid the legal and ideological foundations of the "war on terrorism". . .
"New rules are needed to clearly set forth the boundaries for the use of federal military forces for homeland security. The Posse Comitatus Act is inappropriate for modern times and needs to be replaced by a completely new law. . . It is time to rescind the existing Posse Comitatus Act and replace it with a new law. . . President Bush and Congress should initiate action to enact a new law that would set forth in clear terms a statement of the rules for using military forces for homeland security and for enforcing the laws of the United States.

WASHINGTON POST, MAR 1, 2002 - President Bush has dispatched a shadow government of about 100 senior civilian managers to live and work secretly outside Washington, activating for the first time long-standing plans to ensure survival of federal rule after catastrophic attack on the nation's capital. Execution of the classified "Continuity of Operations Plan" resulted not from the Cold War threat of intercontinental missiles, the scenario rehearsed for decades, but from heightened fears that the al Qaeda terrorist network might somehow obtain a portable nuclear weapon, according to three officials with firsthand knowledge. . .

Officials who are activated for what some of them call "bunker duty" live and work underground 24 hours a day, away from their families. As it settles in for the long haul, the shadow government has sent home most of the first wave of deployed personnel, replacing them most commonly at 90-day intervals. . .
Known internally as the COG, for "continuity of government," the administration-in-waiting is an unannounced complement to the acknowledged absence of Vice President Cheney from Washington for much of the past five months. Cheney's survival ensures constitutional succession, one official said, but "he can't run the country by himself." With a core group of federal managers alongside him, Cheney -- or President Bush, if available -- has the means to give effect to his orders. . .

Only the executive branch is represented in the full-time shadow administration. The other branches of constitutional government, Congress and the judiciary, have separate continuity plans but do not maintain a 24-hour presence in fortified facilities. . .

UNDERNEWS, NOVEMBER 1996 - Just one week after your editor's views on the increasing militarization of America were featured in a column by Washington Post columnist Courtland Milloy, that paper responded with a major paen to "Generals in Command on the Home Front." The subhead ran: "In need of discipline, order, honor, polish? Civil institutions find old soliders pass muster."

The Post momentarily put aside such arduous tasks as defending the CIA and offered a multi-column Style section rebuttal to the notion that there was something wrong with the proliferation of generals in domestic affairs complete with a handsome foot-high photo of Genral Patton pointing his baton in an appropriately imperious fashion.

Although quoting one critic of militarization near the end of the article, the overall tone of the piece was, at best, that these flag officers will shape the country up and, at worse, that they are part of yet another cute social trend for a wise-ass journalist to have some fun with. The idea that democracy might be in peril as a product of the trend was just a jump page after-thought.
Here are some quotes:

From writer Marc Fisher: "A retired general is spit-and-polish. Order and discipline. Expectations and results. Retired general. Two words with such Taoist balance. At once at ease and in charge. Calm yet powerful. Benign yet can-do."

From General Don Scott, deputy librarian of the Library of Congress: "We're proven. We know how to take orders, we know how to do more with less. Society wants more order and more structure."

Charles Moskos, a sociologist who studies the military: "Making the trains run on time is not to be pooh-poohed. In a world of crumbling instituations, the military stands out for its cohesion."

Fisher ends his piece with a quote from a retired general: "Let those in uniform fight the cold and hot wars. Let those who have retired fight the domestic war." Fisher is so enthralled by this that he forgets to ask the general just when and why the American people became the enemy.

Columnist Milloy, one of the last progressive writers at the Post, became interested in my article on militarization after a de facto junta selected by GOP congressional leaders to run DC had named General Julius Becton as school czar and wiped out most of the powers of the elected school board.
Becton got the same sort of fawning treatment from the media (including national publications) that General Barry McCaffrey received when he took over as head of federal anti-drug programs. And as with McCaffrey, there was plenty of the Becton story that didn't come out. Such as the fact that when he was Reagan's head of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, FEMA concocted an outrageous $1.5 billion plan for 600 bomb shelters to be built for state and local officials. The rest of the population was meant to rely on "voluntary self-help programs and emergency public information" such as low cost radiation detectors and instructional materials. States and localities that failed to cooperate in the plan could lose federal funds for non-nuclear disasters such as hurricanes and earthquakes. Not surprisingly, the plan was laughed out of existence.

PROGRESSIVE REVIEW, 2000 - FEMA's secret "RNC 2000" plan for the GOP convention is filled with standard FEMA hubris. This is, after all, the agency that sees itself supervising all three branches of government, including the military, in event of a national catastrophe. But among its justification for having geared up in Philadelphia, however, was this extraordinary statement:
"The RNC will dominate national headlines. The potential occurrence of an event that would reflect negatively on Philadelphia, the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, or the United States demands that every effort to preclude such an event be undertaken."In other words, FEMA assumes that its role includes not only combating the results of floods, hurricanes, and terrorism, but bad publicity as well. It is, in fact, so grandiose in claiming plenary powers that it is even willing to defend Philadelphia against all critics.


10:40 AM 4 comments links to this post

4 Comments:
At 10:15 PM, Lloydyboy said...
American citizens, starting last week in New Orleans, are en masse having their firearms confiscated and are being forcedly separated from their property and taken to camps.
On the plus side, we are assured, all this is being done with great 'sensitivity' to the feelings of the 'evacuees'.


At 5:46 AM, cyboman said...
Thanks to the Progressive Review for its unique coverage of the hidden role of FEMA as an instrument for the establishment of a police state in the U.S. under the guise of emergency preparedness.

Relevant to those stories is a James Mann article from The Atlantic Monthly in March 2004, "The Armageddon Plan," reprinted on Commomdreams.org at ://www.commondreams.org/views04/0318-14.htm in which says that both Donald Rumsfeld, a corporate executive at the times and Dick Cheney, a congressman, "vanished" least once a year every year in the 1980s to draw up a secret plan for the contingency of a nuclear attack. Oliver North is mentioned in the Mann artcle as a member of a "third team" designated in plan as the leadership of the U.S. to direct it police-state style in such an eventuality.

I wonder if this Atlantic Monthly article, coming almost 20 years after the fact, was the first full such public acknowledgement of this Cheney-Rumsfeld unilateral police state planning. If so it would be very scary indeed, making any sensible person wonder what plans have been drawn up since or right now. That's just one reason why these Pro Rev FEMA posts are so valuable.


The Cheney-Rumsfeld plan held that help from elected representatives would be dispensed with, as these relevant paragraphs from the Mann article disclose. The first paragraph mentions the function of the "teams" one of which Ollie North would belong to:

The outline of the plan was simple. Once the United States was (or believed itself about to be) under nuclear attack, three teams would be sent from Washington to three different locations around the United States. Each team would be prepared to assume leadership of the country, and would include a Cabinet member who was prepared to become President. If the Soviet Union were somehow to locate one of the teams and hit it with a nuclear weapon, the second team or, if necessary, the third could take over....


"One of the awkward questions we faced," one participant in the planning of the program explains, "was whether to reconstitute Congress after a nuclear attack. It was decided that no, it would be easier to operate without them." For one thing, it was felt that reconvening Congress, and replacing members who had been killed, would take too long. Moreover, if Congress did reconvene, it might elect a new speaker of the House, whose claim to the presidency might have greater legitimacy than that of a Secretary of Agriculture or Commerce who had been set up as President under Reagan's secret program. The election of a new House speaker would not only take time but also create the potential for confusion. The Reagan Administration's primary goal was to set up a chain of command that could respond to the urgent minute-by-minute demands of a nuclear war, when there might be no time to swear in a new President under the regular process of succession, and when a new President would not have the time to appoint a new staff. The Administration, however, chose to establish this process without going to Congress for the legislation that would have given it constitutional legitimacy.


Ronald Reagan established the continuity-of-government program with a secret executive order. According to Robert McFarlane, who served for a time as Reagan's National Security Adviser, the President himself made the final decision about who would head each of the three teams. Within Reagan's National Security Council the "action officer" for the secret program was Oliver North, later the central figure in the Iran-contra scandal. Vice President George H.W. Bush was given the authority to supervise some of these efforts, which were run by a new government agency with a bland name: the National Program Office. It had its own building in the Washington area, run by a two-star general, and a secret budget adding up to hundreds of millions of dollars a year. Much of this money was spent on advanced communications equipment that would enable the teams to have secure conversations with U.S. military commanders. In fact, the few details that have previously come to light about the secret program, primarily from a 1991 CNN investigative report, stemmed from allegations of waste and abuses in awarding contracts to private companies, and claims that this equipment malfunctioned.

http://www.meta-religion.com/Secret_societies/Conspiracies/NWO/fema.htm

FEMA
by Jon Elliston

Dossier Editor

pscpdocs@parascope.com

"Are you familiar with FEMA? What the Federal Emergency Management Agency's real power is?" So asked scientist Dr. Al Kurtzweil, a character in the blockbuster film The X-Files: Fight the Future, who issued an impassioned plea to FBI Special Agent Fox Mulder to wake up and smell the conspiracy coffee.

The 1998 movie projected the paranoia and intrigue of the smash TV show onto the big screen and stirred tremors of concern in Washington, D.C. FEMA, which plays a role in various conspiracy theories about secret plans for martial law in the United States, went so far as to disseminate a public affairs guidance on how to respond to allegations voiced in the movie.



The fact that FEMA was compelled to craft a response raises some curious questions for both fans and political researchers. The X-Files is famous for venturing into shadowy realms, but when all is said and done, this is just a fun flick, right? So why did FEMA take the unusual public relations measure? As Dossier tracked down the details, we learned that while FEMA probably won't be initiating a federal crackdown any time soon, the agency can be mighty touchy -- and staunchly secretive -- about its plans for what to do when a "man-made" disaster occurs.

Most of FEMA's attention is devoted to the tedious task of providing relief and renewal to communities struck by storms, floods and other natural calamities. When hurricanes ravage or wild-fires consume, FEMA arrives to help pick up the pieces, distribute aid, and construct emergency dwellings. Sounds safe so far... but then there's the hidden chapter in the FEMA story.

It was in the early 1980s, during the first years of the Reagan administration, when FEMA delved into controversial pursuits that tainted the agency with suspicions that linger to this day. President Reagan had selected an old crony, Louis Giuffrida, to serve as FEMA director. Reagan and Guiffrida had originally hooked up during the protest movements of the Vietnam War era. While serving as governor of California, Reagan searched for methods to contain the rising tide of dissent. He turned to Guiffrida, a former National Guard officer with a penchant for population control. Under their leadership, the state government concocted and sometimes implemented draconian anti-subversive plans.

With this team in power in Washington, it wasn't long before federal policy began to feel the tug of totalitarianism. Giuffrida established strict order at FEMA and then set about establishing a predominant role for the agency in worst-case disaster planning.

In October 1984, just as Reagan was about to run for re-election, journalist Jack Anderson dropped a bombshell in one of his columns. He had discovered that FEMA officials drafted "standby legislation" to present to Congress if the United States was faced with domestic chaos or a state of total war (presumably against the Soviet Union). The proposal, according to Anderson, would have stripped away the essentials of U.S. democracy; it would "suspend the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, effectively eliminate private property, abolish free enterprise, and generally clamp Americans in a totalitarian vise." <snip>

http://www.whatsmells.com/camps.html

Pictured below is a check in point to a prisoner camp, in America! The sign is written in English and Russian! Why?

"Miami Herald article on July 5, 1987, reported that the former FEMA director Louis Guiffrida's deputy, John Brinkerhoff, handled the martial law portion of the planning. The plan was said to be similar to one Mr Giuffrida had developed earlier to combat "a national uprising by black militants". It provided for the detention "of at least 21million American Negroes"' in "assembly centres or relocation camps"."Source

A "21 million" capability in 1987! In 2005 and beyond, that number may have risen a little bit! What do you think?

This photo is linked to it's original location - Click on it to see the full Image and others with location information.

24/11/03 "Military Dictatorship In U.S. Very Possible Says Ret. General Tommy Franks" Learn More
10/09/03: "Pentagon targets Latinos and Mexicans to man the front lines in war on terror" Independent.co.uk
26/05/03: "The US has floated plans to turn Guantanamo Bay into a death camp, with its own death row and execution chamber." News.com.au
20/03/03: "Mexico deployed about 18,000 troops to increase security on its border with the United States" L.A Times
17/03/03 : "Texas sheriff warns of unidentified troops - Believes armed men in fatigues spotted within country are foreign" Worldnetdaily.com
27/07/2002: "Foundations are in place for martial law in the U.S" SMH.com.au

This is not a game Ladies and Gentlemen ! The USA Government is employing Mexican, Canadian, Russian, German, Dutch, Cuban, Israeli, troops to guard grass paddocks surrounded by barbed wire in America ! Isn't this STRANGE? If need be, why then aren't American's only employed to do this job of guarding grass paddocks? To get value for money, these prison camps would need to be used SOON ! A large attack on American soil would trigger the RED ALERT statues officially opening these camps for business, so to speak!
Chances are the only way out of these camps will be after;

Implant of a ID mico chip like those digital angel corp make for tracking ANIMALS.
Take vaccinations that have proved in the past to shorten life, and/or sterilize!. The UN gave out free tetanus vaccinations a few years ago in Africa that, strangely were only given to WOMEN ! -- Most pregnant woman started having miscarriages shortly after this kind UN gesture of love. Mercury aditive is in most vaccination drugs to "preserve" them longer. NOTE: Mercury is poisonous to humans
Prove to be a non "terrorist". FBI leaflets handed out warning of terror groups to watch are "defenders of US Constitution, Christian Identity, Animal rights activists" plus the usual groups! Learn More
Supply DNA samples for inclusion into the already set up national DNA DATA BANK.
Sounds nuts hey? Saved links to all the main stream news articles have been archived in the Nosey Brother section on this site. Click Here http://www.whatsmells.com/bigb.html

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/AOPof911p10.html
Miami Herald article on July 5, 1987, reported that the former FEMA director
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/martialLaw.html
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/internment.html
http://www.fema.gov/library/eo12148.shtm
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/AOPof911p14.html#fn50
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/AOPof911p14.html#fn51
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/AOPof911p14.html#fn52
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/AOPof911p14.html#fn53
http://www.lewrockwell.com/shaffer/shaffer24.html
While news of such a plan failed to arouse the attention of most legislators, there was one -- Congressman Jack Brooks of Texas -- who, during the Iran-Contra hearings then being conducted, sought to question North about such reports. Brooks was quickly cut off by the Committee chairman, Hawaii Senator Daniel Inouye. In the New York Times report of July 14, 1987, Inouye told Brooks: `that question touches upon a highly sensitive and classified area,' to which Brooks responded: `I read in Miami papers and several others that there had been a plan developed, by that same agency , a contingency plan in the event of emergency, that would suspend the American Constitution.' Inouye concluded: `May I most respectfully request that that matter not be touched upon, at this stage. If we wish to get into this, I'm certain arrangements can be made for an executive session.' In other words, Sen. Inouye was determined to live up to the pronunciation of his name: `in no way' are we going to let the public know what we have planned for them!" <54>

It is not publically known what process and command structures of FEMA's past are deceased, dormant or active today. Goldstein cites an August 15th 2002 Los Angeles Times story recounting ``Ashcroft's announced desire to create "camps for US citizens he deems to be `enemy combatants'" Ashcroft aides "have indicated that a `high-level committee' will recommend which citizens are to be stripped of their constitutional rights and sent to Ashcroft's new camps"''.<55> This is described in conjunction with a July 15th NewsMax.com story that FEMA is pursuing a "crash effort" to build "sprawling temporary cities to handle millions".

John Ashcroft resorts to euphemistic subterfuge when he pretends that he can simply rename a citizen of the U.S. as an "enemy combatant". With Ashcroft's penchant for portraying 9-11 as an act of war, he is now seeking to strip any American he wants to target of their constitutional rights and liberties by labeling them "enemy combatant". In terms of Americans, General Ashcroft should call such person's "enemy citizens" since such person is still protected by our constitutional system of law, even if Ashcroft would rather deny them their rights.

Given General Ashcroft's zeal to create camps for U.S. citizens he deems to be "enemy combatants" (although FEMA's public claim is to handle millions of displaced persons in the event of a terrorist attack), it is not unreasonable to expect such camps will be employed to intern Americans. What would be Ashcroft's grounds for internment? Many people will go to the streets to challenge the brazen and continued aggrandizement of power in the hands of the Chief Executive and his officers if another alleged terrorist attack supplies them with more justification to identify and lock up enemy citizens.

FEMA's activities during Reagan's terms included national training exercises in preparation for a suspension of the constitution in case of massive domestic political turmoil. The Department of Homeland Security intends to "build upon the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) as one of its key components." <56> Goldstein stresses that FEMA's 1980s downfall (of pursuing openly unconstitutional goals) "was a direct outgrowth of its pursuit of proactive methods, its attempt to legitimize the assumption of extraordinary powers under the very cloak of `counterterrorism'."

"At present, the final contents and disposition of the Reagan security initiatives, part of a national crisis plan, remains beyond public knowledge. But given the `War On Terror's' scope, even if a formal crisis is not declared, speculation exists that a de facto drift into an effective deployment of FEMA's crisis powers could occur. And this February, the former FEMA executive, John Brinkerhoff, who reportedly drafted the martial law/internment portions of the national crisis plan, revealed it was `approved by Reagan, and actions were taken to implement it.'" <57>

"A Miami Herald article on July 5, 1987, reported that the former FEMA director Louis Guiffrida's deputy, John Brinkerhoff, handled the martial law portion of the planning. The plan was said to be similar to one Mr Giuffrida had developed earlier to combat `a national uprising by black militants'. It provided for the detention `of at least 21 million American Negroes' in `assembly centres or relocation camps'." <58> http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/AOPof911p14.html#fn58
Foundations are in place for martial law in the US
by Ritt Goldstein
Sydney Morning Herald
27 July 2002







Recent pronouncements from the Bush Administration and national security initiatives put in place in the Reagan era could see internment camps and martial law in the United States.

When president Ronald Reagan was considering invading Nicaragua he issued a series of executive orders that provided the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) with broad powers in the event of a "crisis" such as "violent and widespread internal dissent or national opposition against a US military invasion abroad". They were never used.

But with the looming possibility of a US invasion of Iraq, recent pronouncements by President George Bush's domestic security chief, Tom Ridge, and an official with the US Civil Rights Commission should fire concerns that these powers could be employed or a de facto drift into their deployment could occur.

On July 20 the Detroit Free Press ran a story entitled "Arabs in US could be held, official warns". The story referred to a member of the US Civil Rights Commission who foresaw the possibility of internment camps for Arab Americans. FEMA has practised for such an occasion.

FEMA, whose main role is disaster response, is also responsible for handling US domestic unrest.

From 1982-84 Colonel Oliver North assisted FEMA in drafting its civil defence preparations. Details of these plans emerged during the 1987 Iran-Contra scandal.

They included executive orders providing for suspension of the constitution, the imposition of martial law, internment camps, and the turning over of government to the president and FEMA.

A Miami Herald article on July 5, 1987, reported that the former FEMA director Louis Guiffrida's deputy, John Brinkerhoff, handled the martial law portion of the planning. The plan was said to be similar to one Mr Giuffrida had developed earlier to combat "a national uprising by black militants". It provided for the detention "of at least 21 million American Negroes" in "assembly centres or relocation camps".

Today Mr Brinkerhoff is with the highly influential Anser Institute for Homeland Security. Following a request by the Pentagon in January that the US military be allowed the option of deploying troops on American streets, the institute in February published a paper by Mr Brinkerhoff arguing the legality of this.

He alleged that the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878, which has long been accepted as prohibiting such deployments, had simply been misunderstood and misapplied.

The preface to the article also provided the revelation that the national plan he had worked on, under Mr Giuffrida, was "approved by Reagan, and actions were taken to implement it".

By April, the US military had created a Northern Command to aid Homeland defence. Reuters reported that the command is "mainly expected to play a supporting role to local authorities".

However, Mr Ridge, the Director of Homeland Security, has just advocated a review of US law regarding the use of the military for law enforcement duties.

Disturbingly, the full facts and final contents of Mr Reagan's national plan remain uncertain. This is in part because President Bush took the unusual step of sealing the Reagan presidential papers last November. However, many of the key figures of the Reagan era are part of the present administration, including John Poindexter, to whom Oliver North later reported.

At the time of the Reagan initiatives, the then attorney-general, William French Smith, wrote to the national security adviser, Robert McFarlane: "I believe that the role assigned to the Federal Emergency Management Agency in the revised Executive Order exceeds its proper function as a co-ordinating agency for emergency preparedness ... this department and others have repeatedly raised serious policy and legal objections to an `emergency czar' role for FEMA."

Criticism of the Bush Administration's response to September11 echoes Mr Smith's warning. On June 7 the former presidential counsel John Dean spoke of America's sliding into a "constitutional dictatorship" and martial law.



Ritt Goldstein is an investigative journalist and a former leader in the movement for US law enforcement accountability. He revealed exclusively in the Herald last week the Bush Administration's plans for a domestic spying system more pervasive than the Stasi network in East Germany.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 02:32 AM
Response to Reply #107
125. sure its true. after the past six years you have to ask? The fucker
has done it. He signs things and he believes they are real. He makes his own reality. It doesn't matter to him if the constitution says otherwise. He's packing the fucking court. The only question to me is where will he get the army? Who will step up and shoot their own neighbors? Of course he did it. He's a fucking loon.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 10:01 AM
Response to Reply #1
15. You got that right....
This is utterly dishonest crap.
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Jawja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 10:16 AM
Response to Reply #15
27. May be so,
but he sure jumped at the chance after Katrina, didn't he? And publically discussed the possibility if the bird flu hit - you know, about using the military to quarantine an American city?

Perhaps CHB is bull; but I don't doubt that the premise is true.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 12:11 PM
Response to Reply #27
72. CHB is bullshit, plain and simple
and all you do by pretending Doug Thompson has credence is damage your own cause.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 12:29 PM
Response to Reply #72
79. Read my Post #78. Looks like you're the one with credibility issues.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 12:57 PM
Response to Reply #79
93. Better put some more tinfoil in that hat....
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 02:47 PM
Response to Reply #93
115. So yuo thik your governemt is incapable of
making preparations for martial law?

They have been spying on you, but if CHB came out and said it you would be calling it crackpot... what does it take for the every so trusthy NYTs to say it is true?

By the way... I am sure you have heard this

It would be so much easier if I were the dictator... who said this?

That is your first huge clue as to how possible this actually is.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 04:25 PM
Response to Reply #115
119. Nadine, I think some people...
...are gullible enough to believe any shit...especially if it plays into their "revolutionary" fantasies.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 12:27 PM
Response to Reply #15
78. Really? Maybe you should read about REX 84....
FEMA Concentration Camps: Locations and Executive Orders
<http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2004/FEMA-Concentration-Camps3sep04.htm>

QUOTE:

There over 800 prison camps in the United States, all fully operational and ready to receive prisoners. They are all staffed and even surrounded by full-time guards, but they are all empty. These camps are to be operated by FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency) should Martial Law need to be implemented in the United States and all it would take is a presidential signature on a proclamation and the attorney general's signature on a warrant to which a list of names is attached. Ask yourself if you really want to be on Ashcroft's list. The Rex 84 Program was established on the reasoning that if a "mass exodus" of illegal aliens crossed the Mexican/US border, they would be quickly rounded up and detained in detention centers by FEMA. Rex 84 allowed many military bases to be closed down and to be turned into prisons.

The site goes on to discuss the specific Executive Orders and the places where these camps are located.

Now, who was being dishonest?

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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 12:54 PM
Response to Reply #78
88. Wow, a crackpot website!
It must be true...er, wait.....
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 10:08 AM
Response to Reply #1
20. Prove it
Prove it isn't true, and prove this is all 'disinformation'.

Regardless of my feelings about CHB, you saying these things without backing it up is no different that what they are doing.

:shrug:
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 10:13 AM
Response to Reply #20
24. I can't prove it isn't true.
Nobody can. It is specifically designed to be completely unprovable. Hence, I must assume it is untrue.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 12:13 PM
Response to Reply #20
73. Prove it to yourself....
Go back and look at the utter horseshit Thompson was peddling during the Clinton years....

He's no more a journalist than he is an aerialist.
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 12:22 PM
Response to Reply #73
75. I wasn't talking to you
:P
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 12:55 PM
Response to Reply #75
90. That's hilarious
Have someone explain to you how a public forum works. Twice. Slowly.
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PuraVidaDreamin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 01:28 PM
Response to Reply #90
100. I've been away from this site for a while
so I don't know your name and story...
but why are you so angry? and truly what do you
represent? do you have anything positive to
contribute?

I'm willing to listen if you do.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 04:27 PM
Response to Reply #100
120. While you were away
did you run into anyone guillible enough to beleive the shit ladled out by Doug Thompson.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 12:32 PM
Response to Reply #73
81. REX 84. Look it up.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 12:56 PM
Response to Reply #81
92. And when you do, you find a bunch of crackpots....
with tinfoil hats....
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converted_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 01:31 PM
Response to Reply #92
101. The original article from the Miami Herald...
You have to pay for it, but you can tell what it is... It's in the Miami Herald archives, but you can read the beginning of the article.. Original source right here!!! It's # 1360-

http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_action=l...

Miami Herald - July 5, 1987 - 14A FRONT

SOME SECRET ACTIVITIES
Sources say the parallel government behind the Reagan administration engaged in secret actions including: A CONTINGENCY plan to suspend Constitution and impose martial law in United States in case of nuclear war or national rebellion. 1985 VISIT to Libya by William Wilson, then U.S. ambassador to Vatican and close Reagan friend, to meet with Libyan leader Col. Moammar Gadhafi. HAVING ROUTES of sophisticated surveillance satellites altered to follow Soviet ships around world. ...


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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 04:34 PM
Response to Reply #101
121. Yeah, it appears to be an article
detailing what a screwloose Ollie North was....
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converted_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 11:07 AM
Response to Reply #1
50. I think it is true.. This is why...
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0509/S00172.htm
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MINDFULLY, 2004 - There over 800 prison camps in the United States, all fully operational and ready to receive prisoners. They are all staffed and even surrounded by full-time guards, but they are all empty. These camps are to be operated by FEMA should martial law need to be implemented in the United States and all it would take is a presidential signature on a proclamation and the attorney general's signature on a warrant to which a list of names is attached. . . The Rex 84 Program was established on the reasoning that if a "mass exodus" of illegal aliens crossed the Mexican/US border, they would be quickly rounded up and detained in detention centers by FEMA. Rex 84 allowed many military bases to be closed down and to be turned into prisons.
snip-
A Miami Herald article on July 5, 1987, reported that the former FEMA director Louis Guiffrida's deputy, John Brinkerhoff, handled the martial law portion of the planning. The plan was said to be similar to one Mr Giuffrida had developed earlier to combat "a national uprising by black militants". It provided for the detention "of at least 21million American Negroes"' in "assembly centres or relocation camps".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_84
snip-
Rex 84, short for Readiness Exercise 1984, was a plan by the United States federal government to test their ability to detain large numbers of American citizens in case of massive civil unrest or national emergency. Exercises similar to Rex 84 happen periodically. From 1967 to 1971 the FBI kept a list of persons to be rounded up as subversive, dubbed the "ADEX" list. (Donner, Age p. 166.)

According to scholar Diana Reynolds:

The Rex-84 Alpha Explan (Readiness Exercise 1984, Exercise Plan), indicates that FEMA in association with 34 other federal civil departments and agencies conducted a civil readiness exercise during April 5-13, 1984. It was conducted in coordination and simultaneously with a Joint Chiefs exercise, Night Train 84, a worldwide military command post exercise (including Continental U.S. Forces or CONUS) based on multi-emergency scenarios operating both abroad and at home. In the combined exercise, Rex-84 Bravo, FEMA and DOD led the other federal agencies and departments, including the Central Intelligence Agency, the Secret Service, the Treasury, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and the Veterans Administration through a gaming exercise to test military assistance in civil defense.
The exercise anticipated civil disturbances, major demonstrations and strikes that would affect continuity of government and/or resource mobilization. To fight subversive activities, there was authorization for the military to implement government ordered movements of civilian populations at state and regional levels, the arrest of certain unidentified segments of the population, and the imposition of martial rule. <1>


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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 12:08 PM
Response to Reply #50
71. OMG, FEMA CONCENTRATION CAMPS!!!
Ya. Bye bye.
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converted_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 01:25 PM
Response to Reply #71
99. It's true!! Go look at post #97.....it's true!!!!n/t
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 01:50 PM
Response to Reply #99
103. Does it have 800 fully staffed FEMA concentration camps?
Because that's what your link says.
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converted_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 01:57 PM
Response to Reply #103
104. This is from the Miami Herald..
This is a link to the story from the Miami Herald... That is the original story about the camps, and the plan for martial law.

http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_action=l...

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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 02:02 PM
Response to Reply #104
105. Well, neither of your links work.
And it's too late in the evening for me to argue about the right-wing FEMA conspiracy theory.
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converted_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 03:18 PM
Response to Reply #105
116. Well, it timed out my session, but it does not matter.. I bought the
full article, and I'm going to post it on it own thread.. It isn't conspiracy anything.. I've got the article to prove it...
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OregonBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 01:02 PM
Response to Reply #1
94. Well, I'm glad to see that we all agree. It made me think anyway!
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converted_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 01:41 PM
Response to Reply #94
102. Here is the original article.. It is true, look.
You can read the beginning of the article.. Original source right here!!! It's # 1360-
The article that the capital hill blue guys sites is true, it does exist..
http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_action=l...

Miami Herald - July 5, 1987 - 14A FRONT

SOME SECRET ACTIVITIES
Sources say the parallel government behind the Reagan administration engaged in secret actions including: A CONTINGENCY plan to suspend Constitution and impose martial law in United States in case of nuclear war or national rebellion. 1985 VISIT to Libya by William Wilson, then U.S. ambassador to Vatican and close Reagan friend, to meet with Libyan leader Col. Moammar Gadhafi. HAVING ROUTES of sophisticated surveillance satellites altered to follow Soviet ships around world. ...


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MrModerate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 09:47 AM
Response to Original message
2. FEMA is going to administer this seizure?
We're safe. I feel much better now.
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 10:01 AM
Response to Reply #2
14. LOL!
Nice one. :D
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 09:49 AM
Response to Original message
3. As usual with Capital Blue it is not true
but it might have elements of truth in it--I'm sure Bush would love to impose martial law.
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 09:54 AM
Response to Reply #3
6. Which parts are not true? Just curious.
Can Bush not declare martial law? Are there no Executive Orders in place for the implementation of martial law? Honestly, where is CHB (in this instance) being dishonest? TIA
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Mutley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 10:05 AM
Response to Reply #6
18. This part is pretty silly...
Edited on Fri Jan-13-06 10:05 AM by mutley_r_us
"Gifuffrida’s implementation of martial law called for jailing at least 21 million African Americans in “relocation camps.” Brinkerhoff later admitted in an interview with the Miami Herald that President Reagan signed off on the initiatives and they remained in place, dormant, until George W. Bush took office."

Somehow, I'm reaching here, I know, but somehow I don't think that's true.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 10:24 AM
Response to Reply #18
31. Is anyone current with Lexix/Nexis? Could a search prove/disprove the
Miami Herald /Brinkeroff quote?
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Mutley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 10:29 AM
Response to Reply #31
36. I'd be very interested in that...
but I don't have access to lexus nexus right now -- not for a few weeks.
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 12:56 PM
Response to Reply #36
91. see my post directly below.
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 12:40 PM
Response to Reply #31
86. Search term Brinkerhoff/ Full Text Search/ Miami Herald/ All Available
Edited on Fri Jan-13-06 12:55 PM by izzybeans
Dates= O Documents

I'm trying alternatives.

On edit: Brinkerhoff was cited in a piece in the Herald as writing a Memo in support of the role of FEMA and Martial Law

"The memo outlining the martial law provisions of the contingency plan was written by Mr John Brinkerhoff, deputy to the then Fema director, Mr Louis Guiffrida. The martial law provisions resembled a 1970 paper Mr Guiffrida wrote in which he proposed such actions in the event of a national uprising by black militants." Quoted from Guardian, July 6, 1987.

Still checking.


On edit again: I can't find an article where Brinkerhoff was interviewed. All articles containing the word Brinkerhoff reference only the memo and its basis in the Guiffrida paper.

Either CHB has access to something LexisNexis does not or this article contains some small hint of truth and that's about it. Most interesting however was the role of secret groups and folks like Ollie North in developing such a contingency plan back in the 80s.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 02:03 PM
Response to Reply #86
106. Thanks a lot for your beyond the call effort. I can no longer afford the
LexisNexis service and no longer know any folks in law school!

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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 02:07 PM
Response to Reply #106
108. The genius is that it took no more than three minutes.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 02:12 PM
Response to Reply #108
109. Google turned up the Sidney Herald amd Miami paper and many cites to
REX84 -

but main stream media seems to have been ordered to stop discussing of late.

I posted long extracts from all thos cites (they all say the info on the page can be freely copied) above.

So now - is it dis-info, or is it real?
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 02:31 PM
Response to Reply #109
112. Hard to say.
It seems clear that Reagan certainly set this in motion, even if it was only a plan. Nothing from a source i trust tells me that this has continued or even got out of the planning stage (which may or may not mean some "quarantines" were built)

Something tells me that if the story was as urgent as this sight seems to imply that someone at a newspaper somewhere would stop sitting on it eventually. I wouldn't be surprised with Bush but...I guess that's all I really can say. I wouldn't be suprised. But I don't think my distrust of him should lead me to jump to conclusions until I find some info. I can trust.
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converted_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 11:03 AM
Response to Reply #18
47. Read this....
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0509/S00172.htm
snip-
MINDFULLY, 2004 - There over 800 prison camps in the United States, all fully operational and ready to receive prisoners. They are all staffed and even surrounded by full-time guards, but they are all empty. These camps are to be operated by FEMA should martial law need to be implemented in the United States and all it would take is a presidential signature on a proclamation and the attorney general's signature on a warrant to which a list of names is attached. . . The Rex 84 Program was established on the reasoning that if a "mass exodus" of illegal aliens crossed the Mexican/US border, they would be quickly rounded up and detained in detention centers by FEMA. Rex 84 allowed many military bases to be closed down and to be turned into prisons.
snip-
A Miami Herald article on July 5, 1987, reported that the former FEMA director Louis Guiffrida's deputy, John Brinkerhoff, handled the martial law portion of the planning. The plan was said to be similar to one Mr Giuffrida had developed earlier to combat "a national uprising by black militants". It provided for the detention "of at least 21million American Negroes"' in "assembly centres or relocation camps".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_84
snip-
Rex 84, short for Readiness Exercise 1984, was a plan by the United States federal government to test their ability to detain large numbers of American citizens in case of massive civil unrest or national emergency. Exercises similar to Rex 84 happen periodically. From 1967 to 1971 the FBI kept a list of persons to be rounded up as subversive, dubbed the "ADEX" list. (Donner, Age p. 166.)

According to scholar Diana Reynolds:

The Rex-84 Alpha Explan (Readiness Exercise 1984, Exercise Plan), indicates that FEMA in association with 34 other federal civil departments and agencies conducted a civil readiness exercise during April 5-13, 1984. It was conducted in coordination and simultaneously with a Joint Chiefs exercise, Night Train 84, a worldwide military command post exercise (including Continental U.S. Forces or CONUS) based on multi-emergency scenarios operating both abroad and at home. In the combined exercise, Rex-84 Bravo, FEMA and DOD led the other federal agencies and departments, including the Central Intelligence Agency, the Secret Service, the Treasury, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and the Veterans Administration through a gaming exercise to test military assistance in civil defense.
The exercise anticipated civil disturbances, major demonstrations and strikes that would affect continuity of government and/or resource mobilization. To fight subversive activities, there was authorization for the military to implement government ordered movements of civilian populations at state and regional levels, the arrest of certain unidentified segments of the population, and the imposition of martial rule. <1>


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Mutley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 11:08 AM
Response to Reply #47
51. What is' MINDFULLY'? And why doesn't he include a link to it?
The Wikipedia article doesn't say anything specifically about emprisoning millions of African Americans. I've heard of the Rex-84 thing, and it's pretty f-ed up, yes, but where does this CHB article get that about 21 million African Americans?
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converted_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 11:13 AM
Response to Reply #51
55. It's the same Miami Herald article that was referenced earlier..
A Miami Herald article on July 5, 1987, reported that the former FEMA director Louis Guiffrida's deputy, John Brinkerhoff, handled the martial law portion of the planning. The plan was said to be similar to one Mr Giuffrida had developed earlier to combat "a national uprising by black militants". It provided for the detention "of at least 21million American Negroes"' in "assembly centres or relocation camps".


That was in the scoop article I just provided.. I find it odd that two articles written years apart would reference the same original article if it wasn't true.
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Mutley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 11:17 AM
Response to Reply #55
56. But he lists Mindfully as a seperate source, just as he lists
Wikipedia. What is Mindfully? A newspaper? A website? What?
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converted_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 11:22 AM
Response to Reply #56
59. Here's another one that says the same..
Edited on Fri Jan-13-06 11:23 AM by converted_democrat
http://www.sfbayview.com/neworleans/blackcrisis122105.shtml
snip- Look half way down the page-
A Miami Herald article on July 5, 1987, reported that former FEMA director Louis Guiffida's deputy, John Brinkerhoff, handled the martial law planning of FEMA and that it was similar to a plan Guiffida had developed earlier at the Army War College to confine "at least 21 million American negroes (in) assembly centers or relocation camps." FEMA has built and staffs such camps spread out all over the U.S., and it is now part of the Department of Homeland Security.

From the moment FEMA appeared on the scene in New Orleans, it made matters worse not better. FEMA cut civilian communication lines to the outside, flew in the infamous Blackwater mercenaries from Iraq, blocked and delayed assistance coming from other cities and countries - including Cuba - from reaching the hurricane victims, and it channeled massive amounts of funding donated to help the Katrina victims to right-wing Christian groups like Pat Robertson's Operation Second Blessing, to mention just a few of the outrageous things it did.

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Mutley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 11:27 AM
Response to Reply #59
61. I guess you don't know what Mindfully is?
Edited on Fri Jan-13-06 11:29 AM by mutley_r_us
So, several sources repeat what the Miami Herald said. Are there any primary sources that say that, though? Anything with those words and Reagans actual signature on it?
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converted_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 11:34 AM
Response to Reply #61
63. What is your point?? I've got references that back up my claims..
I've got references saying what the Capitol Blues guy says is true.. You said you didn't believe, and I can keep pulling references if you like.. Last I checked on google there are hundreds of articles referencing this very same thing. So, if you're not convinced yet, I can pull links all day..
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Mutley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 11:44 AM
Response to Reply #63
66. And they all quote one source -- the Miami Herald.
I'd be interested in seeing a primary source. If I saw that I'd be more than happy to recant.
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converted_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 12:16 PM
Response to Reply #66
74. Everything has been scrubbed.. Look DU even knew about it, and they
tried to copy it down before it disappeared.. This guy was trying to get everyone to copy it down in case it disappeared, which is what ended up happening.. You try and go to any of the links and they've been removed.. even from the newspaper archives.. Look at this, and go to the links.. Everything has been scrubbed.. All that is left are the articles that reference it..
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2339839&mesg_id=2340938

Here is the text from the article.. Several places have copies, but the original is gone..

What follows is the complete text of the original article as printed in the Miami Herald for July 5, 1987:

REAGAN AIDES AND THE 'SECRET' GOVERNMENT

by ALFONSO CHARDY, HERALD WASHINGTON BUREAU

WASHINGTON -- Some of President Reagan's top advisers have operated a virtual parallel government outside the traditional Cabinet departments and agencies almost from the day Reagan took office, congressional investigators and administration officials have concluded.

Investigators believe that the advisers' activities extended well beyond the secret arms sales to Iran and aid to the contras now under investigation.

Lt. Col. Oliver North, for example, helped draw up a controversial plan to suspend the Constitution in the event of a national crisis, such as nuclear war, violent and widespread internal dissent or national opposition to a U.S. military invasion abroad.

much more at link- this is halfway down the page-
http://www.humanunderground.com/nsdd47.html
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converted_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 12:22 PM
Response to Reply #66
76. Here is another guy that copied it down before it was removed..
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Mutley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 12:25 PM
Response to Reply #76
77. Look, I like to have evidence for claims like that.
Maybe what you're saying is true, but I'm not going to just jump on the bandwagon because of a million articles all referencing ONE article written years ago, and a few websites that no longer exist.
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converted_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 12:35 PM
Response to Reply #77
83. Cynthia McKinney has a copy of the article, and she quoted it on the
floor of the congress..

http://www.counterpunch.org/mckinney09122005.html

Look halfway down the page--

But I have to tell my colleagues something. As I saw the African Americans, mostly African American families ripped apart, I could only think about slavery, families ripped apart, herded into what looked like concentration camps. So I was reminded of a Miami Herald article written on July 5, the day after Freedom Day, 1987.

The title of the article was ``Reagan Aides and the Secret Government,'' and here is a quote from that article: ``A copy of the memo was obtained by the Herald. The scenario outlined in the Brinkerhoff memo resembles somewhat a paper Giufreda had written in 1970 at the Army War College in Carlyle, Pennsylvania, in which he advocated martial law in case of a national uprising by black militants.'' In which he advocated martial law in case of a national uprising by black militants. The paper also advocated the roundup and transfer of two ``assembly centers or relocation camps of at least 21 million American Negroes.''

Now, I did not write that; the U.S. Government wrote that. They were going to round up 21 million Negroes because they were afraid of freeing black people. A story of neglect? I am not surprised about any story of neglect of the people that comes from this body with this set of priorities, that passes these kinds of budgets on the backs of the American people, these kinds of tax cuts on the backs of the American people.

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Marleyb Donating Member (736 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 01:03 PM
Response to Reply #83
95. Cynthia Mckinney's floor speech was in the recent Katrina testimony MP3's
http://atlanta.indymedia.org/usermedia/audio/8/mckinney-katrina-k115c.mp3

original miami herald article reposted here
http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=9877

Flashback: July 5, 1987 - REAGAN AIDES AND THE SECRET GOVERNMENT

Some of President Reagan’s top advisers have operated a virtual parallel government outside the traditional Cabinet departments and agencies almost from the day Reagan took office, congressional investigators and administration officials have concluded.

Investigators believe that the advisers’ activities extended well beyond the secret arms sales to Iran and aid to the contras now under investigation.

Lt. Col. Oliver North, for example, helped draw up a controversial plan to suspend the Constitution in the event of a national crisis, such as nuclear war, violent and widespread internal dissent or national opposition to a U.S. military invasion abroad.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 12:35 PM
Response to Reply #77
84. Look up the list of Executive Oders listed inside.....
...and then get back to us.

<http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2004/FEMA-Concentration-Camps3sep04.htm>

Executive Orders associated with FEMA that would suspend the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. These Executive Orders have been on record for nearly 30 years and could be enacted by the stroke of a Presidential pen:...

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990
allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995
allows the government to seize and control the communication media.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997
allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998
allows the government to seize all means of transportation, including personal cars, trucks or vehicles of any kind and total control over all highways, seaports, and waterways.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10999
allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000
allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001
allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002
designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003
allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004
allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005
allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051
specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310
grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11049
assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen year period.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921
allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months. The Federal Emergency Management Agency has broad powers in every aspect of the nation. General Frank Salzedo, chief of FEMA's Civil Security Division stated in a 1983 conference that he saw FEMA's role as a "new frontier in the protection of individual and governmental leaders from assassination, and of civil and military installations from sabotage and/or attack, as well as prevention of dissident groups from gaining access to U.S. opinion, or a global audience in times of crisis." FEMA's powers were consolidated by President Carter to incorporate the...

National Security Act of 1947
allows for the strategic relocation of industries, services, government and other essential economic activities, and to rationalize the requirements for manpower, resources and production facilities.

1950 Defense Production Act
gives the President sweeping powers over all aspects of the economy.

Act of August 29, 1916
authorizes the Secretary of the Army, in time of war, to take possession of any transportation system for transporting troops, material, or any other purpose related to the emergency.

International Emergency Economic Powers Act
enables the President to seize the property of a foreign country or national. These powers were transferred to FEMA in a sweeping consolidation in 1979.


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Mutley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 12:54 PM
Response to Reply #84
87. Now THIS is a primary source.
THANK YOU Media_Lies_Daily! With a username like that you'd think you would understand my mistrust of one little article. I will go read the full text of those executive orders.
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converted_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 01:23 PM
Response to Reply #87
97. I FOUND THE ORIGINAL ARTICLE!!!
Edited on Fri Jan-13-06 01:32 PM by converted_democrat
You have to pay for it, but you can tell what it is... It's in the Miami Herald archives, but you can read the beginning of the article.. Original source right here!!! It's # 1360-

http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_action=list&p_topdoc=1351

Miami Herald - July 5, 1987 - 14A FRONT

SOME SECRET ACTIVITIES
Sources say the parallel government behind the Reagan administration engaged in secret actions including: A CONTINGENCY plan to suspend Constitution and impose martial law in United States in case of nuclear war or national rebellion. 1985 VISIT to Libya by William Wilson, then U.S. ambassador to Vatican and close Reagan friend, to meet with Libyan leader Col. Moammar Gadhafi. HAVING ROUTES of sophisticated surveillance satellites altered to follow Soviet ships around world. ...

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converted_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 12:33 PM
Response to Reply #66
82. Here is a quote from Cynthia McKinney.. She has a copy of the article..
This snip appears half way down the page, and it quotes her-
http://www.counterpunch.org/mckinney09122005.html

But I have to tell my colleagues something. As I saw the African Americans, mostly African American families ripped apart, I could only think about slavery, families ripped apart, herded into what looked like concentration camps. So I was reminded of a Miami Herald article written on July 5, the day after Freedom Day, 1987.

The title of the article was ``Reagan Aides and the Secret Government,'' and here is a quote from that article: ``A copy of the memo was obtained by the Herald. The scenario outlined in the Brinkerhoff memo resembles somewhat a paper Giufreda had written in 1970 at the Army War College in Carlyle, Pennsylvania, in which he advocated martial law in case of a national uprising by black militants.'' In which he advocated martial law in case of a national uprising by black militants. The paper also advocated the roundup and transfer of two ``assembly centers or relocation camps of at least 21 million American Negroes.''

Now, I did not write that; the U.S. Government wrote that. They were going to round up 21 million Negroes because they were afraid of freeing black people. A story of neglect? I am not surprised about any story of neglect of the people that comes from this body with this set of priorities, that passes these kinds of budgets on the backs of the American people, these kinds of tax cuts on the backs of the American people.

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Mutley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 12:55 PM
Response to Reply #82
89. No need to post it twice, thanks.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 09:56 AM
Response to Reply #3
8. Is that what Stephen Colbert means...
...by truthiness?
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Mutley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 10:06 AM
Response to Reply #8
19. Lol! This is a PERFECT example of truthiness!
:rofl:
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 12:30 PM
Response to Reply #3
80. You paint with a broad brush. Which elements of the article are not true?
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Mutley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 09:51 AM
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4. I doubt it.
Capitol Hill Blue isn't known for its... credibility.
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MakeItSo Donating Member (351 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 09:56 AM
Response to Reply #4
7. Refute a single thing Capital Hill Blue has reported
People seem to like to slam CHB but when you ask them for specific instances of misreporting, all you hear is crickets chirping.

Do you think it's beneath Bush's character to ignore the Constitution?

I don't. I think it's a fundamental part of his character.

The story is completely believable.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 10:00 AM
Response to Reply #7
10. We can't give you a specific instance...
...because CHB has never reported anything provable by anyone. It's always "secret sources say bush said blahblah." Whether or not its in Bush's character is completely irrelevant. Whether or not it's believable is irrelevant. It's not verifiable. None of their stories ever are. Again, impossible to prove or disprove - hence, bullshit. It's nothing more than a way for CHB to get hits (and thus ad revenue) from its web page.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 10:15 AM
Response to Reply #10
26. who is "We"?
n/t
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 10:25 AM
Response to Reply #26
33. "We" is people who don't believe anything we read...
...without some kind of reasonable verification.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 10:26 AM
Response to Reply #33
34. see post #32
for reasonable verification
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 10:31 AM
Response to Reply #34
37. Yes, Brinkenhoff is an asshole.
It doesn't come anywhere close to proving any of the assertions of fact in the Capitol Hill Bullshit piece.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 12:36 PM
Response to Reply #10
85. Right. That's a typical dodge to get out of responding to a question.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 01:13 PM
Response to Reply #85
96. Terrance Wilkinson...
after that, CHB has no credibility with me.

Sid
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Mutley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 10:00 AM
Response to Reply #7
11. Uhh... this story.
Show me anything Reagan signed saying they'll put 21 million African Americans in internment camps. Seriously. I'm no Reagan fan by far, but that's just ridiculous.
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 11:11 AM
Response to Reply #11
53. See post #47 above.
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Mutley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 11:12 AM
Response to Reply #53
54. See post 51 above.
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converted_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 11:46 AM
Response to Reply #53
67. Read all of my links.. I have many that say the 21million figure as true,
and they referance that original article in the Miami Herald in 87, just as the Capitol Hill Blue Guy did.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 10:00 AM
Response to Reply #7
13. Terrance Wilkerson...
Edited on Fri Jan-13-06 10:02 AM by SidDithers
After that, CHB has no credibility.

Sid

Edit: Sorry, it's Wilkinson, not Wilkerson
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 10:11 AM
Response to Reply #13
22. And then, when you provide a specific instance...
of misreporting, all you hear is crickets.

hmmm....

Sid
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MakeItSo Donating Member (351 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 02:25 PM
Response to Reply #22
111. Doug Thompson issued a retraction on Wilkinson
If you're going to go around writing off news media outlets after they've apoligized for an error, guess what? You're only going to be reading sources that have never copped to a mistake. And since virtually ALL media news outlets make mistakes from time to time, you're only going to be reading stuff written by crackpots.

You know that Thompson made an error with Wilkinson because he issued a written explanation and apology that you probably found googling the web. You won't be able to name anything that you can independently refute.

<crickets chirping>
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 03:23 PM
Response to Reply #111
117. So, Thompson runs a bullshit story, using only one source...
and then, when called on it, issues a retraction, and I'm supposed to be impressed by the retraction? But wait, there's more. Apparently, the source, that Thompson has known for 20 years, has disconnected his phone, closed his e-mail account, and disappeared into thin air. Did he even exist in the first place?


Thompson writes, on FreeRepublic of all places:
"I will track this guy down. I've turned everything over to my attorney, who is setting up meeting with the FBI. We intend to use the legal system against this clown."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=16022&mesg_id=16286

How'd that work out for him. It's been 2 1/2 years, has Thompson ever written any more about Wilkinson?

I'd say the fact that he ran the original story with only one phantom source speaks more about him as a journalist than his retraction.

Sid

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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 10:02 AM
Response to Reply #7
16. Believable, perhaps, but as a journalistic piece, it falls short
Where are the sources? Citings from these supposed executive orders? Quotes from people who have seen them? Anything at all to back up assertions?

Without that, this is so much fiction. We can't sit and rant about how much the media sucks, and then accept anything that we want to believe the minute it comes along, even if it comes wholly without backup. It's hypocritical.
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ihaveaquestion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 09:59 AM
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9. I think all he'd need is another national crisis
whether it's a terrorist attack or a reprise of the 60's ghetto riots. A flu-epidemic could be used to shut down the largest population centers (where most liberals live, btw). Whatever. Middle America would stand by and shake their collective heads about how the "liberals and degenerates" had forced this on themselves.

You folks in the rural areas should be ready for the concentration camps near you to be filled with liberals, poor non-whites, and gays.

What? Me, paranoid? Nope, I'm just scared of these fascists! :scared:
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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 10:00 AM
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12. OK... can ANYONE now doubt that CHB makes shit up?
This is the most outrageous fiction yet!
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 10:16 AM
Response to Reply #12
29. what's implausable about it? n/t
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 10:04 AM
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17. Actually, elements of it have been alleged before...
Edited on Fri Jan-13-06 10:07 AM by tasteblind
Particularly, that Reagan had a set of executive orders written up that were left unsigned in the event that a nuclear catastrophe took place so that the government could be replaced and order could be restored. That sounds like what is being alluded to.

But anytime Thompson says anything about something Bush said or did, beware.

Edit: And the stuff about Blackwater is absolutely true.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 10:11 AM
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21. Ollie North did author continuation of government documents
Edited on Fri Jan-13-06 10:11 AM by HereSince1628
and was advised in their preparation by Donald Rusmfeld and Dick Cheney.

You will remember that continuity of government issues came into the news again after Bush/Cheney took control.

I can't speak to any of the issues of this CHB article but I have no doubt that the continuity of government documents do provide for most unusual actions during a national emergency.

COG has been in the news as recently as the past two weeks, so I recommend people google, or otherwise search for news stories about it.
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DELUSIONAL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 10:13 AM
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23. It is doubtful that the nay sayers even read the article
knee jerk reaction to the source.

But then I don't believe NYT, by covering up for bushie's wiretapping for a full year they have lost all credibility with me.

How many other stories are being suppressed by the NYT?

Since we know the current players in the bushie white house were players in the Ray-gun white house -- and the Patriot act came out almost immediately post 9-11 (as if they were waiting for an excuse to overwrite the Constitution)-- the plans were probably in place during the Ray-Gun- daddy bushie era.

We saw how bushie wanted to militarize New Orleans -- and yet he wasn't willing to HELP the citizens.

Now we'll wait while the UK and European reporters work on their leads and in a few weeks they will probably confirm most of the information in this article.

I don't dismiss -- but I do file the information and wait for other reporters to add details and more information. For instance this same news source reported that bushie's aids were afraid to give him bad news etc. This report was supported by bushie's behavior before, during and after hurricane Katrina. bushie was clueless that citizens were dying in New Orleans while he partied in Arizona and California. It wasn't until his aids made a DVD of the Katrina coverage that he made any effort to respond to the crisis. For me this was more evidence that CHB just might have well places sources within the white house staff.

Even the UK tabloids get it right sometimes about bushie's insane behavior.

Do we see so many nay sayers respond to NYT articles? Remember that's the folks who hired Judith Miller -- the white house stenographer and war cheer leader.
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 10:16 AM
Response to Reply #23
28. Thank you for putting this in its proper perspective
:thumbsup:
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 10:14 AM
Response to Original message
25. Do you know that for sure?
or is this more disinformation?

I honestly don't know either way, but there are some great news outlets that get discredited regularly on this site, and there is never any proof behind the accusations.
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KyuzoGator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 10:19 AM
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30. CHB is porn for liberals, really nothing more.
Very little there is even remotely accurate.
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 10:32 AM
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38. Well, remember how CHB reported that Bush's aides were
afraid to approach him with bad news? Then later, in other sources, Condie was quoted as telling a diplomat to be careful what he told the President, because she didn't want him getting upset? I am not saying to take everything CHB says (or any news outlet, for that matter) as gospel, but condescension and derision are usually the way propagandists counter opposing views, and we don't really need that...
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Mutley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 10:33 AM
Response to Reply #38
39. Getting one thing right doesn't make this story true.
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 10:42 AM
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42. You are right. But the statements in this thread say that CHB
is never to be trusted and is a completely non-creditable source. Well, there have been several instances where CHB has been right on the money and supported by later journalism, so sometimes CHB is telling the truth. Again, I don't say accept everything without skepticism, but the amount of hostility in this thread toward CHB makes me think that there is some other agenda at play...
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Mutley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 10:45 AM
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43. What other agenda would that be?
Stories like this are why average joe middle Americans just laugh and point when Democrats open their mouths instead of listening. I think the hostility is well deserved.
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 11:07 AM
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49. Believing that the reason "joe middle america" laughs at
Democrats regarding issues like this, is why most Democrats fail to grasp what has happened in this country over the last decade. Most Democrats seem to think that all of this "Bush stuff" is just business as usual and normal politics as acted out in a free and democratic society; and that the problem with Democrats is the "loony left". This is just very, very sad and there appears to be nothing that anyone can say to show how this kind of attitude from Democrats is the product of fascist assimilation. The problem in this country is the fascist right. It would not be creditable to blame the German left for the rise of Nazism, but then Hitler didn't have the propaganda machine that Bush has...
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Mutley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 11:11 AM
Response to Reply #49
52. This administration has pulled some insane stunts, yes
but we have to be very careful about what we believe could be true, and what we actually put out there as truth. As another poster in this thread said, this article is an excellent example of truthiness.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 11:37 AM
Response to Reply #30
65. "porn for liberals" Very good!!!
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 10:25 AM
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32. Is JIM LEHRER a better source for y'all?
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/military/july-dec02/guard_9-27.html

GUARDING THE HOMELAND

September 27, 2002

(snip)

KWAME HOLMAN: The Northern Command will centralize the control of the kinds of homeland security missions the military performed after September 11 when fighter jets patrolled over American cities, military cargo planes flew rescue missions to New York City, and a Navy hospital ship was dispatched to New York Harbor to treat the wounded. John Brinkerhoff, a retired Army colonel who also worked at the Federal Emergency Management Agency, says the foreign-based attacks on September 11 illustrated an urgent need for a domestic military command.

JOHN BRINKERHOFF: The United States itself is now for the first time since the War of 1812 a theater of war. That means that we should apply, in my view, the same kind of command structure in the United States that we apply in other theaters of war.

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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 10:41 AM
Response to Reply #32
41. Nothing from PBS confirms or denies what Thompson writes...
also from your link:

"KWAME HOLMAN: The Defense Department says any deployment of the Northern Command will be guided by the principles of the Posse Comitatus Act. Congress created that legislation during the Civil War era. It prohibited the army from enforcing civilian laws unless specifically authorized. Posse Comitatus was a reaction to how federal troops had been used."

I'm trying to find where Lehrer says Bush has signed an executive order...

Sid
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 10:52 AM
Response to Reply #41
44. that was a 2002 report
we won't know for sure about the executive order until it's entered into the Federal Register

http://www.gpoaccess.gov/

until then, the pattern makes the CHB plausible.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 11:02 AM
Response to Reply #44
46. CHB is always plausible...
plausibility is not the issue. What is at issue is whether Thompson is credible.

Until the EO is entered into the Federal Register, then the story remains plausible, but unverified. Like most of CHB's stuff.

Sid
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 11:18 AM
Response to Reply #46
58. That's what they do
and they've never pretended to do anything else. Same with most blogs...mostly a "heads up." Sure there are pitfalls with that, but only if you see them as gospel (or categorically discard them).
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Sammy Pepys Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 10:26 AM
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35. I wouldn't put a whole lot of stock...
..in anything you read in Capitol Hill Blue.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 10:35 AM
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40. Doesn't anyone remember that Republican Congress leaders were swept away
after 9/11 and taken to secret locations? That Cheney was in the bunker running the secret govt for months after that? That none of their emergency contingency plans included Democrat? Does anyone remember that Karl urged Blanco to declare martial law in New Orleans? I am sure this story is true. George Bush is INSANE. He would no doubt do this if he could.
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LizW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 12:00 PM
Response to Reply #40
68. Yes.
Edited on Fri Jan-13-06 12:02 PM by LizW
The Washington Post, April 7, 2002:

"(Former Bush anti-terrorism czar Richard) Clarke told the program (ABC's Nightline): 'Every federal agency was ordered, on the morning of 9/11, to activate an alternative command post, an alternative headquarters outside of Washington, D.C., and to staff it as soon as possible.' The former administration official also said he has participated in regular exercises over the past 20 years in which he has 'gone off into caves in mountains in remote locations and spent days on end in miserable conditions, pretending that the rest of the world had blown up, and going through the questions, going through the drill. . . . Everyone there play acts that it's really happened. You can't go outside because of the radioactivity. You can't use the phones because they're not connected to anything.'

Mann, whose book 'Rise of the Vulcans' was excerpted last month by Atlantic Monthly, reported that Richard B. Cheney, then a Wyoming congressman, and Donald H. Rumsfeld, then a drug industry executive, were heavily involved in shaping the program during the 1980s. Both men, who were also former White House chiefs of staff, participated in the mock disaster exercises, which included convoys of lead-lined trucks carrying sophisticated communications gear to the secret locations.

During the Sept. 11 attacks, Vice President Cheney and Defense Secretary Rumsfeld found themselves carrying out a plan they had designed two decades earlier for a very different kind of threat during the Cold War.

(snip)

(Ted) Koppel said that most members of Congress will be surprised to learn the plan's details, although selected leaders have been briefed."


Okay, the article doesn't say it was an executive order. But if Congress didn't make this plan, and didn't actually even know about it, how did it get to be the law? This wasn't just someone's lunatic fantasy. This happened. Who could make this kind of thing happen, if not Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld?

Regarding Posse Comitatus, this article illustrates the Bush administration's actual use of military resources for domestic law enforcement.

Bush's Posse Roundup, Alternet, December 10, 2004.

"In January 2003, Sen. Charles Grassley learned that the FBI was working on a memorandum of understanding with the Pentagon 'for possible experimentation' with TIA. Assistant Defense Secretary for Homeland Security Paul McHale confirmed, in March 2003 testimony to Congress, that the Pentagon would turn TIA over to law enforcement agencies once the system was ready to roll. There was nothing in the original TIA design to prevent the Pentagon from turning over the information it gathered to the FBI — or anyone else.

That set off alarm bells far and wide, and Congress sought to rein in its development in early 2003. But by that time, the Pentagon had already awarded 26 contracts for dozens of private research projects to develop components for TIA. Congress's action did nothing to stop the feds from pursuing massive data mining research closely akin to TIA—especially the Novel Intelligence from Massive Data (NIMD) project being conducted by the National Security Agency. Many of the companies and researchers previously working on TIA are now working on the NIMD project. Steven Aftergood of the Federation of American Scientists commented that 'the whole congressional action looks like a shell game. There may be enough of a difference for them to claim TIA was terminated while for all practical purposes the identical work is continuing.'

Another major assault on Posse Comitatus occurred when two snipers went on a rampage in the Washington, D.C. area in October 2002. The Bush administration quickly called in Pentagon spy planes to canvas the entire Washington area. The use of the RC-7 planes, operated by military personnel, appeared to be a brazen breach of the Posse Comitatus Act. But the mass panic that gripped the Washington area indicated how feeble the status of Posse Comitatus is."


Regarding habeas corpus, this is an exerpt from the signing statement Bush attached to the defense spending bill that included the Graham/Levin Amendment regarding habeas corpus for detainees held at Guantanamo:

"The executive branch shall construe Title X in Division A of the Act, relating to detainees, in a manner consistent with the constitutional authority of the President to supervise the unitary executive branch and as Commander in Chief and consistent with the constitutional limitations on the judicial power, which will assist in achieving the shared objective of the Congress and the President, evidenced in Title X, of protecting the American people from further terrorist attacks. Further, in light of the principles enunciated by the Supreme Court of the United States in 2001 in Alexander v. Sandoval, and noting that the text and structure of Title X do not create a private right of action to enforce Title X, the executive branch shall construe Title X not to create a private right of action. Finally, given the decision of the Congress reflected in subsections 1005(e) and 1005(h) that the amendments made to section 2241 of title 28, United States Code, shall apply to past, present, and future actions, including applications for writs of habeas corpus, described in that section, and noting that section 1005 does not confer any constitutional right upon an alien detained abroad as an enemy combatant, the executive branch shall construe section 1005 to preclude the Federal courts from exercising subject matter jurisdiction over any existing or future action, including applications for writs of habeas corpus, described in section 1005." (emphasis mine)


Yes, Bush is insane. He doesn't even need an executive order to do these things. He just does them.






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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 12:07 PM
Response to Reply #68
70. THANK YOU
I want him jailed for crimes against the Constitution. Which he thinks is just a big joke >

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2366694

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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 11:00 AM
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45. What, precisely, in this article do y'all think is not true?
Every time there's a CHB article linked here, there's all this bashing about how it's disinformation. I'm beginning to wonder which is the disinformation: the articles or the bashing. Just sayin'.

Something that sticks in my mind, I'll never forget. Must have been during the 80s during the Iran Contra hearings when Ollie North was testifying before Congress. I was walking by a news stand and saw our local paper with this HUGE headline about North's plans for martial law. Took up the whole area above the fold, and probably below the fold, too.

Regrettably, I didn't buy a paper, and have been kicking myself ever since. Because that front page disappeared that very day. Later editions that same day had nothing about it. Went down the memory hole.

I expect that if I had the time to go to the public library and search the newspaper archives for that time period, I would find nothing. Like it never happened. But I know what I saw.

I'm not shilling for CHB. Doug Thompson doesn't need me to fight his battles. But I wouldn't disparage what's in this article.

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Hyernel Donating Member (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 11:05 AM
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48. If it happens in this country, it will in the next 3 years.
Then we'll see how America does "insurgency."
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oneold1-4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 11:18 AM
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57. a small forgotten program
Somewhere back, perhaps after 9/11, it seems that I can recall that the pres. actually created his own causes that would put EVERY person in any law enforcement (your county sheriff, dog control etc.) under federal control and that immediately they would be immune to reprisal from the courts (public) for any actions carried out (including shooting any age "suspect") of anything that would "maybe" go against "his" plans for control of the nation!
If this is so, it could be more quickly used against any person or persons who might speak, write, or rally against any of his actions anywhere in the country without any military.
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 11:25 AM
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60. whether Bush signed an Executive Order is irrelevant . . .
because between existing Executive Orders and the provisions of Patriot Act II, he has all the authority he needs to do precisely what is being claimed in this article . . .

Created Chaos, The Shadow Government and the Coming American Coup
http://gemefx.tripod.com/theamericanchronicle/fema.html
(scroll down for existing Executive Orders)

TOTAL POLICE STATE TAKEOVER: The Secret Patriot Act II Destroys What Is Left of American Liberty
http://www.prisonplanet.com/secret_patriot_act_2_destroys_what_is_left_of_american_liberty.html
(scroll down for provisions of Patriot Act II)
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 11:31 AM
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62. This is why Bob Barr (GA) is introducing Al Gore Mon1/16 at GTWN
This is why Paul Craig Roberts, conservative (Reagan) extraordinaire, has hammered Bush from day one.

This is why they will lose. Everybody hates them.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 12:07 PM
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69. Autorank, how are you optimistic with the corrupt election system in place
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 01:25 PM
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98. I'm optimistic under exactly one scenario...
...if we get a prominent leader (not deservedly prominent but "measurably" as in very well known) to make this an issue and shine the light on the vendors AND that leader hauls out just some of the evidence, THEN I'm optimistic we'll get a fair election. Our small number will expand exponentially (activists) and all eyes will be on every vendor.

:sarcasm:
If that doesn't happen, then my optimism will only show it's face when the "mother ship" returns with our kidnapped "good" leaders...but that may be too late;)
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 02:12 PM
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110. Give what's going on here in NC to corrupt our Vefified Paper Ballot Bill
I'm no longer optimistic we will ever have a fair election again in the US.

What's going on is so shocking...that even my optimism has finally bitten the dust. And, it's not the Repugs alone....it's Democrats who are involved.

Grassroots is not valued...Grassroots is to be exterminated if it's a "threat to the system." The system seems to now be a "one party system" cloaked under two parties.

It will be too long a battle and some of us realize that without more help...we just can't do it alone. We have jobs and lives that will be targeted. We just can't devote the time or have the resources that it takes to compete with the lobbyists. There are too many, they are well funded inspite of the Abramoff/DeLay demise (they have other sources of funds that are still secure, one must assume) and we don't have anything except taking time off our jobs, being penalized for our political affiliation and putting money from our pockets which "aren't full" to try to compete.

It's not looking good.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 02:36 PM
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113. Any coup worth it's self-called glory would plant moles well in advance.
Just saying, if it walks like a puke, talks like a puke, acts like a puke, it sure as hell is not a Democrat.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 08:19 PM
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123. One dealing with one's own State Gov't...can't always be looking over
their "backs" to see the rifle...though. It takes so much time to accumulate evidence and put it into a "readable form" for our State Legislators...that we "TRY" to assume are HONEST...that looking out for "moles/trolls and the rest...sort of has to be put on a "backburner."

You don't see them until you've spend time and money out of your "non-lobbyist funded pocketbook" and try to STAND UP to FIGHT BACK as an "ordinary citizen."

It's at that point where the "Moles/Trolls/Lobbyists/Special Interests ..come out and saboutage your efforts...they trash you with their "high priced lawyers and lobbyists and they grind you into mincemeat.

One often feels like a "Granny...knitting doilies for pocket money when everyone just wants "Plasma TV's." That's the WAY they ROLL US!

It's not easy being "on the ground" as an activist these days...an "ordinary citizens group." Even with "GOOGLE" as our Friend.......we can't compete with the HUGE MONEY from the LOBBYISTS!

It's a fact...It's what it is.
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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 11:35 AM
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64. Does BushCo even have the manpower anyway?
The military isn't exactly in good shape right now, and BushCo isn't so popular with the troops currently. I imagine at least some of those given orders to turn on American civilians and impose martial law would have a problem with that. Bush may be a lunatic but he can't impose martial law all by himself. I guess he could nuke Chicago or something but short of that I don't see him having enough support right now to stage that kind of takeover.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 02:40 PM
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114. yes he has signed multiple EO
here is another link to another site

http://members.tripod.com/~Sidlinger/ml.html

INTERESTING FACTS

Martial law is defined as: military rule or authority imposed on a civilian population when the civil authorities cannot maintain law and order, as in a time of war or during an emergency.
Hitler turned Germany into a Nazi dictatorship through executive orders.
Executive Order 10995: All communications media are to be seized by the Federal Government. Radio, TV, newspapers, CB, Ham, telephones, and the internet will be under federal control. Hence, the First Amendment will be suspended indefinitely.
Executive Order 10997: All electrical power, fuels, and all minerals well be seized by the federal government.
Executive Order 10998: All food resources, farms and farm equipment will be seized by the government. You will not be allowed to hoard food since this is regulated.
Executive Order 10999: All modes of transportation will go into government control. Any vehicle can be seized.
Executive Order 11000: All civilians can be used for work under federal supervision.
Executive Order 11490: Establishes presidential control over all US citizens, businesses, and churches in time of "emergency."
Executive Order 12919: Directs various Cabinet officials to be constantly ready to take over virtually all aspects of the US economy during a State of National Emergency at the direction of the president.
Executive Order 13010: Directs FEMA to take control over all government agencies in time of emergency. FEMA is under control of executive branch of the government.
Executive Order 12656: "ASSIGNMENT OF EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS RESPONSIBILITIES", "A national emergency is any occurrence, including natural disaster, military attack, technological emergency, or other emergency that seriously degrades or seriously threatens the national security of the United States. Policy for national security emergency preparedness shall be established by the President." This order includes federal takeover of all local law enforcement agencies, wage and price controls, prohibits you from moving assets in or out of the United States, creates a draft, controls all travel in and out of the United States, and much more.
Martial law can be declared due to natural disasters, Y2k Crisis, Stock Market crash, no electricity, riots, biological attack, .... anything leading to the breakdown of law and order.

There is more at the link

And for those who think that only becuase CHB publioshed it well it is crap... here is a rasberry...
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 03:24 PM
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118. A bit of a Reichstag afterall.
Though within a week of 9/11 I had little doubt it was anything but.
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greiner3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 05:15 PM
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122. With the way b*** (tries to) pronounce words;
Has anyone heard him say

Posse Comitatus Act

Just curious.:rofl:

On a more serious note, King w, emporer w, his royal highness w, or will he pull a henry VIII and go for both? King and head of religion, w. The mind boggles at the thought.:cry:
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 08:24 PM
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124. Generally, The Only Thing Factual About CHB Articles Is The Date On Top...
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MakeItSo Donating Member (351 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 06:08 PM
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126. How ironic that your claim about veracity is completely untrue
Generally speaking, CHB ends up reporting what the MSM picks up months later. There's absolutely nothing remotely implausible in the latest story, based on the president's complete distain for the US Constitution and the rule of law.

Not only that, similar stories about anti-Constitutional contingency plans have been reported in the past.

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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 06:53 PM
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127. Sorry, CHB is Generally Garbage, Time and Time Again.
Sure, they may have had one or two stories that may have ended up coming true, but then even a broken clock is right twice a day.

CHB is far too reckless in their reporting and accuracy to garnish trust, and it would take a hell of a turnaround for them to show otherwise.

I'll stick with Rawstory, Truthout, and the others for now. Thanks.
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MakeItSo Donating Member (351 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 05:11 PM
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130. time and time again
except you can't name any "specific" instances.

Gotcha.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 07:24 PM
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128. fema concentration camps links...
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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 07:40 PM
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129. TRY reading this........
quote......
II. Bush Order Violates Separation of Powers
On November 13, 2001 President George Bush signed an executive order with respect to the detention, treatment, and trial of persons accused of terrorist activities. The president declared a national emergency and claimed that Article II of the Constitution and the recent Joint Resolution by Congress Authorizing the Use of Military Force (Public Law 107-40) empowered him to issue the order.
end quote......


The KEY word is accused!

http://www.cato.org/testimony/ct-tl120401.html
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