Who does this remind you of?

[icymist]

Blankity blank "was a man that had capability to be an outstanding general. He (is) an individual who could've ended the war earily, yet, the best way to brand so and so as a commander of that army is with the word 'failure'. He failed time and again and as a result, the war would continue three more years than it should have."

I'll tell you who said this about whom after hearing some discussion.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

1. My first guess would have been McClellan.

:shrug:

[icymist]

5. Exactly! You're very good my friend.

Okay, who's the quote from?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

7. Could have been anybody.

Lee, Lincoln, Grant... It's a pretty obvious statement.

But I suppose it would be somewhat ironic if Lee had said it.

[icymist]

14. No. I'm afraid you'll have to try again.

I got this quote off of the History Channel back in 2001 or earlier.

[maveric]

2. Nixon?

[Dunvegan]

3. Here's a guess: Erwin Rommel?

...or, ummm...MacArthur?

[TN al]

4. It's about McClellan...

...isn't it?

[icymist]

8. That's right!

Can you see parallels between McCellan and Rummy?

[coalition_unwilling]

16. As ineffectual as McClellan proved to be, he is 1000

times the man RummyDummy is. Rumsfeld actually made excuses for why troops didn't have adequate protection. Contrast with McClellan's accomplishments with the Army of the Potomac after McDowell flubbed the First Battle of Bull Run, when he helped to establish effective perimeter defenses of Washington, DC and set about organizing, drilling and provisioning the Army of the Potomac. There's a reason McClellan earned the affection of his troops!

[icymist]

18. Indeed, McClellan is the man for the Civil War.

And Rumsfield is THE man to lead us to battle next time we need this!I'm sure that all our troops have faith in this man, the Rummy-man! and that all we 'need' is going to be there 'when we need it'. Frankly, we all don't care if this is just an independant 'media moment', all I want is to get home safely. Who cares about the media?"

[coalition_unwilling]

6. Westmoreland? (just kidding). I suspect this refers to

McClellan who probably could have whipped Robert E. Lee at Antietam in May, 1862 but for McClellan's many own personal failings.

[icymist]

10. You are absolutely right in double guessing how Antietam would've

played out.

[El Supremo]

9. As much an egotist McClellan was, he really cared about his troops.

Rumsfeld doesn't.

McClellan was not prepared for the blood that was required to win the war. Rummy and * think that attacks on our troops are a sign that we are winning. They are Nuts!

[icymist]

11. Excellent comparison.

We're living in different times with different generals. Such says that things are are different from those times, yet the same.

[coalition_unwilling]

13. The army that Grant won with was basically McClellan's army.

He was a great organizer\logistician\planner, he just wasn't much of a fighter. And, yes, he did care about his troops and they cared about him. However, that said, he also I think could not grasp that a civil war demanded a Grant and Sherman-type approach to tactics and strategy. (I tend to discount the rumors that swirled at the time of the Peninsula campaign and afterwards that McClellan secretly favored the South and that is why he constantly procrasinated. I think the reality is that he just didn't understand that a "Civil War" is a "total war" -- something that many generals in the South did not understand either.)

[unhappycamper]

12. is the quote from Stanton?

[icymist]

15. No. History Channel. 2001 or eariler.

It depends on when I taped them.

[El Supremo]

17. Quote from General Norman Schwarzkopf?

[icymist]

19. Who said this quote was Dennis E. Frye.

A Civil War Historian.
2001 on the History Channel.

[Snivi Yllom]

20. interesting

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