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newspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 05:02 PM
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usurpation of power-let's discuss
Edited on Thu May-25-06 05:09 PM by newspeak
(one scenario)
let's say you had a corrupt executive branch that wanted all of the power and that pesky Congress, even though most are in your party, but they still have power to curtail your glorious plans. Well, you wouldn't send the FBI in to raid one of your own party members, after all, you could have had them raid Delay, Frist or Cunningham's office--no, it has to be the opposition. Now, you know this guy may be dirty, how do you know? Maybe because your party attempted to coerce him to your side at one time with some form of bribery or may be he accepted a bribe before. First, the FBI raids his house and finds evidence, actually it could be enough evidence to indict; but that's not what your after. The FBI is sent to his office, which is unprecedented, then raids said office. Now all of the Congress critters see that the Executive branch has raided the office and know that this goes directly against separation of powers. The executive branch gives the shot across the bow that they can raid anyone's office--now they may find incriminating evidence and they could also plant incriminating evidence. With a complicit media, how will you defend yourself? So, the executive has a plan for another war, and the Congress critters knowing that their constituency (who voted for them) are not biting, they may back down. But, the executive has other plans, so they raid a few Congress critters' offices and coerce or blackmail said congress critters to tow the line or they will expose them. Now, the evidence may be a fabrication or not, but the damage would be done. So, the executive branch gets their war hard on with a very complacent Congress. Hell, the executive decides, I've usurped all of the Congressional powers, why have a Congress anymore? It's just for show for the unwashed masses anyway. Hey, I can go one further, I might have taken an oath to defend the Constitution of the United States, but my fingers were crossed. I have no opposition, therefore, I declare "I AM KING."
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 05:09 PM
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1. I'll bleeping say it again.
A judge signed on the warrant so it wasn't purely a matter of the President ordering a raid.

If the warrant for something unprecedented and of severe constitutional seriousness was signed frivolously, this judge may well be impeached by Congress. But, it is not a matter of the President acting as King, alone. It's not just the executive branch vs. the legislative branch. Call the judge a human shield if you like, but the constitution is not shredded when TWO branches of government exercise power on the third in a legal manner.
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newspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 05:16 PM
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2. and I'm saying
I find nothing wrong with issuing a warrant for his home, but how many Congressional warrants do you see? See any for Delay, Cunningham? The FBI already has confiscated evidence outside of his Congressional office, why go there? And, do you actually think a judge is going to be impeached? I gave a scenario, and I'll wait and see--but the Executive branch already has grabbed too much power in my opinion. Oh, and thank you for your opinion--that's why we are discussing. ;)
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 05:18 PM
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3. Unilateral war, unitary war crimes across the planet
So what the judge signed it, so many others were complicit in
war crimes as well, Hitler was not a 1 man job, and he isn't today either.
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newspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 05:23 PM
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4. oh, and thank ya'll for responding
it's my first initiation of a topic. I'm honored you responded.:hi:
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 05:54 PM
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5. what is the truth?
Who has usurped power in this moment? Likely it is your ego, that has filled
this moment with clutter of desires and voices, and not the silence that is
eminating from your keyboard if you don't touch it.

So, we all usurp power from silence, in every moment, sure that we know better.

and the truth likey, is that we do not know better.

How is power usurped?

In the US, it cannot be done without brainwashing your voters, so how
exactly is power usurped? I'd wager you could spend some time on DU
xplaining exactly how. One of the closest explanations i've ever read
is here:

(post #95 and the other hidden stillness post)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1176964#1183066

If you can more eloquently put your finger on the source of the minipulation, the
usurpation of power, pathologically, semantically, ontologically, it is much appreciated.
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