Who is the Third Party?

[Oversea Visitor]

The two party system in US does not leave room for a third party. It is either the Democrats or the Republicans. Both parties has a long tradition of keeping the values of America intact. By the People for the People. One does not need to guess at what most Americans treasure.

But who is the Third Party?

1) They have to be strong. They have to have the ability to raise huge sums of money. These monies has to be raise from their loyal base.

2) Of course Representatives of the Third Party has to delivered. No point having a third party if there is no agenda. Why spend money to elect Representatives if they are not there to represent you.

3) They have to operate in broad daylight given the two parties system but yet able to drive all their agendas and pass all the bills that their base wants.

4) They have to keep the grassroots of both the "For the People by the People" traditional Dems and Repubs party at each other throat. Creating disturbing and destructive issues on the forefront while sneaking all the others agenda through sometimes undercover of midnight.

5) They have to ensure continuity of the Third Party irregardless of whether a Dems or a Repub is in control.

6) They have to be able to grow under the agenda and immune to the effects of their own agenda

7) Their strength are not in numbers but in their resources that they command

8) They are invisible to the eyes of the Americans people and they operate within the 2 party systems.

9) They are dedicated to preserving the existence of their host in order to survive.

10) They are strongest when blind hate between the 2 party is at its peak.

11) They are at their weakest when American people both Dems and Repubs are alert and concern about the welfare of the country and its policies.

12) Their survival is dependent on their ability to play the Dem against the Repubs or the Repubs against the Dems.

13) They die when both parties reject them as parasite cause they cannot survive without a host

14) They feed on the host. Draining all the nutrients, sickening and weakening it and then they go into hibernation living of the nutrients they have accumulated and waiting for the next feeding frenzy.

So does a Third Party exist in America?
As you vote in 2006 for Dem or Repub are you voting for a Thrid Party or the traditional Dem or Repub
Party.

Just some observation from outside the box which might or might not be relevant.

FLAME AWAY.......... Me :) Fireproof :rofl:

[AuntPatsy]

1. A third party only exists in the mind, And no I don't vote

traditional Dem, that would be impossible, I don't always agree with what comes from some Democratic nominees voting records. Lesser of two evils is how I seem to have to look at it sometimes depending on the nominee his or herself since sometimes it's hard to tell which party they are actually working for.

[Oversea Visitor]

4. Agreed

There is no such thing as what most will call a "DINO" or a "RINO"

It is pure Democrats or Republicans, Black or White, Grey does not exist :rofl:

[Sarah Ibarruri]

2. Who is going to give this third party money? If you know, let me know.

I sure don't know.

[Oversea Visitor]

6. Hmmm tough one

Who get TAX CUT, Who get uber profits, What so many Corp Sweetheart deals, :rofl:

[Sarah Ibarruri]

11. See? That's the problem.

To run requires money. Money doesn't grow on trees. How will a 3rd party get the money to run and win? Maybe by lying?

[Oversea Visitor]

12. But where is Third Party?

Are they hiding in Dems and Repubs clothings?

[Sarah Ibarruri]

17. I'm trying to tell you where it is and you're not listening

For a party to exist and be able to run in American elections, a huge source of money is needed. The only gigantic source of money is corporations. Corporations will not be supporting a 3rd party.

[Oversea Visitor]

23. But can it be they use Dem and Repub as HOST?

:shrug:

[texasleo]

3. Third party gave us Bush in 2000

thanks.

[skipos]

5. Yup. That is what 3rd parties do. Same thing happened in 1912

Wilson would have never won without Roosevelt running as an independent and sapping votes from Taft.

I like the idea of a conservative third party: maybe the Anti-gay Party or the Jesus Party or something. That way dems would win every election.

[Hippo_Tron]

25. Yea, but Teddy was the best candidate in that election

If Wilson hadn't gotten us into World War I, I'd rate him about the same as Taft. Wilson was against big corporations much more than Taft but he was also a huge racist. Granted Taft wasn't exactly advocating equal rights or anything.

Roosevelt would've been the best person to lead us on domestic and foreign matters during that time period.

[Oversea Visitor]

8. Hmmm I thought it was the COURT

:rofl:

Wait maybe the News with the help of a call from ROVE

Hmmm maybe Americans people screw up the plan and they need to tweak it back to course :rofl:

[Sarah Ibarruri]

21. No. In the U.S. 3rd parties serve as a spoiler.

The U.S. election system is different and bad.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

18. Exactly. 3rd parties serve only as a spoiler. They can't sand

They can't stand on their own because they can't get a huge source of funds (to run for office and exist) from corporations (which are the only real gigantic source of funds).

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

7. To Answer Your Question: Some Worthless Guy Named Nader Or Somethin Like

that. :)

[Oversea Visitor]

9. Actually money talk Poor Man walk

:rofl:

[Oversea Visitor]

10. Gee getting out of my fireproof suit

No flame ...... me bored :(

Grey matter falling asleep zzzZZZZZZZZ

[otherlander]

13. Neocons are a third party, controlling most Republicans and some Democrats

. If a progressive party could take over the Democratic party as neocons took over the Republican party, then we might be getting somewhere. Right now, the two parties are really just branches of one bureaucracy, two competing yacht clubs, if you will. So now the question is, who will lead a group of non-yacht club Democrats? It could work. At this point, Americans are getting tired of war, tired of Halliburton price-gouging, tired of being lied to...

Unfortunately, what they seem MORE tired of is the high gas prices. That seems to be bothering them more than the war which doesn't affect them directly. Just as many people didn't protest the Vietnam war until the draft was instated, because it didn't effect them directly. How can we have a government "by the people" when the people prefer to remain in their insulated, self-centered, commercialized lives? A grassroots intellectual movement could do a lot of good, could change the world, but it would still only be a small group, and the leadership- albeit GOOD leadership- that it promoted. The masses would still not be empowered or awakened in any way, still not having any sense of urgency.

It's almost like.... life in America is too GOOD for a revolution. There's too much food for an uprising.

[Oversea Visitor]

14. They are support by Corporation and their

Representatives in the Congress and Senate. That make them so uber strong.
Their messengers are the lobbyist. Maybe I hope that will be a bad word when all this blows over.

[nosmokes]

15. Who is the Second Party?

the democrats that are ruled by the DLC? same corporate schills as the GOPosse. they still favor the war in iraq, they still wanna give big agribusiness tax subsidies, they aren't interested in labelingproducts that contain GMO as such, they aren't seriously gonna reform healthcare to a single payer system or do any meaningful campaign reform. c'mon. 3rd party? hell, i'd be happy with a serious 2nd party. it'd be a start.

[Oversea Visitor]

16. Would it not be possible

for the Third party to use the First and Second party as a host.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

19. Nader tried that, I think. All he succeeded in was in electing Bush. nt

[northamericancitizen]

20. Hello, OV, people were looking for you yesterday (saturday)

Are you living close to the earthquake area?

Back to the subject :

"If a progressive party could take over the Democratic party as neocons took over the Republican party, then we might be getting somewhere."

I copied this from one of the post above. Sorry I don't remember the name of the poster.

Anyhow, I see it as a realistic possibility. From a Québequer point of view, of course.

See OV, I am even surprised that we are aloud to discuss the possibility (opportunity) of a third party on the DU Board. I guess I have to reread the rules...

[Oversea Visitor]

22. Rest easy Malaysia do not have natural disasters

Only yearly flooding from Monsoon rain.
Our Mercy Teams already over there. Looks going to be a busy year for them :(

As to the third party hey not saying to create one
Me saying need to look carefully that Dem and Repub Party dont end up as Host for third party.
Signs are all there.

[northamericancitizen]

24. Glad you are O.K. I just reread your opening post....

You are quite subtle dear OV.

I think my intuition understood what you are trying to expose. (I say my intuition cause I had more of an emotional reaction to your expose than an intellectual one.)

At first I thought you were putting forth the idea of a third party, then I sensed it was a warning about it, underlying the circumstances where that 3rd party could feed itself and suck up the vital energy of the American people.

Am I right? Is it a present and real danger or just a supposition?

My first answer is that it is a real danger cause it is hidden and it is acting as a leeche sucking up energy when everybody on both side of the spectrum are fighting each other. Just like you described it.


It is still too diffused, in my head anyway, to point out a specific part of the world or american society. For the moment I will call that silent 3rd party : the opportunists.

Doe's make any sense? Did I get you right?

northamericancitizen
Québec city
Canada