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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 11:07 AM
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What are the Reasons for the 29% being "PERMAMENTLY FOOLED"
They seem to be of the type that "IF YA FOOL ME ONCE...I REMAIN FOOLED FOREVER"

WTF?

Some guys get paid to be a PUB but for the most part...the average Pub is not. Are they like brainwashed into a stupor?

WTH?
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Darkhawk32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 11:09 AM
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1. People give too many excuses for them. They're just plain stupid. n/t
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charlyvi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 11:51 AM
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42. Agreed.
And the shrubbies are there to validate all their racism, ignorance and intolerance toward any attitude other than their own. They can't realize that the bushies are validating them for their votes, then doing whatever the hell they want.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 01:16 PM
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81. They are being scammed and still ignorant of it...
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 04:57 PM
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202. And evil. A lot of them are NOT fooled...
They just wanna kill some "ragheads"

America is full of this kind of "person", folks.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 12:45 PM
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204. Sad but I think there is truth to this notion
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 12:47 PM
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205. it is a cult, draped in the flag and their sick perception of religion.
and thinking bush is their saviour. :puke:
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 01:41 PM
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214. Very much like other cults where the participants are drilled into
a state of mind rejecting truth, evidence, etc....that counters their belief...

This is sick..they have fucked up our Nation
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 11:09 AM
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2. Some people think it is a terrible thing to be wrong or even
mistaken. Sometimes I think it is that. They are so ashamed of being "wrong" that they hang onto whatever it is, no matter how ridiculous it looks, because being "wrong" would be so much worse.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 11:17 AM
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9. What I suspect as well. Some people will never admit they were wrong.
I went to work out of high school as a bagger at a grocery store. After a while, I was promoted to grocery manager, and the talk I was given by the store manager included this pearl of wisdom, "never admit you're wrong, never back down even if you're wrong." A good friend of mine, at the time, echoed the same sentiment not long after that.

There are people out there like that. And evidently, they comprise about 29% of the population...
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 11:20 AM
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14. You jogged my memory...that is true...I heard it too in the FIRE DEPT
Never admit....as best as you can get away with it...never admit..
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 11:25 AM
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19. It is something you will sometimes hear and something Bushco
seems to follow also.

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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 12:16 PM
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63. I think management has that attitude the majority of the time.
It's as if to admit they were wrong would mean they're "weak." That they actually make mistakes, same as the rank and file.

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Demobrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 11:29 AM
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22. One time I almost got into an auto wreck
with a neighbor of mine who was speeding down our short one-way street - the wrong way. He stopped just long enough to explain to me that the close call wasn't really his fault because the street wasn't really one way. A cop had explained it to him, you see, it wasn't really one-way because the sign was down at the other corner. Later on I described the incident to a coworker who's comment was. "Of course. Never admit you're wrong. IT'S THE AMERICAN WAY." Apparently a certain percentage of people in this country are raised that way - and the majority become Republicans.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 11:42 AM
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33. Exactly...never admit...."the majority become Pubs" . I love it..
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 11:42 AM
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35. Geez, what an asinine world view.....
Anyone who thinks like that must have no sense of personal power. Too never admit you're wrong....? :crazy:
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 11:48 AM
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39. Usually signs of a Narcissant person.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 11:18 AM
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11. Is this in Psyc 245? LOL...sounds like it
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badgerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 11:39 AM
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30. If they are 'wrong' about this issue...
...it could open up a whole big damn can of worms about what other things they might have been wrong about...and then their whole worldview and little world-as-they-see-it (which isn't all too steady to start with) would come crashing down around their ears.
:nuke:
Scary thing to contemplate.
That's just my two cents worth of humble opinion...:shrug:
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 11:50 AM
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41. Perhaps the major reason for clinging to their position even in the face
of defeat
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 11:23 AM
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109. Exactly... these stupid people who can never admit to ever being "wrong"
Edited on Tue May-30-06 11:24 AM by Seabiscuit
are fearful to the point of utter cowardice. To them, ignorance IS bliss.

Yet to think that a full 29% of Americans (who have had more material and informational wealth at their fingertips for more time than any other country in history) can be so mind-staggeringly fearful, wilfully ignorant and just plain dumb? THAT's scary in itself.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 11:49 AM
Response to Reply #109
112. Such is Nature who sez not everyone crosses the schoolyard deserves to be
smart....Diversity demands Loloness
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 12:21 PM
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126. They're the same crew who think "we could have
won in Vietnam." When you ask them what that "victory" would mean, they'll say it means the surrender of the DRV. When you ask "how we could have 'won'," they'll say we could have invaded the DRV (North Vietnam) on the ground and\or used nuclear weapons on them. There's really no arguing with them, as they are not susceptible to rational discussion, but instead cling to irrational nationalist myths.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 12:31 PM
Response to Reply #126
131. Borderline Fanatics trying desperately to WIN even after the fact
Like the Football team who lost in the RoseBowl..."We coulda shoulda woulda...." but but but ....lost....
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 12:49 PM
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206. they are in denial also
when will they learn????????????????
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 03:12 PM
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220. Admission of being Wrong is a Slippery Slope for Some
The fear is, they will somehow become more and more prone to being wrong, so they never admit they were. All fear.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 11:26 PM
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242. its Cultish?? Cannot err, afraid of the CROW....etc, lol
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 11:10 AM
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3. "You can fool some of the people all of the time..."
The Kool-Aid drinkers.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 11:25 PM
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241. Its a Disorder...they allow themselves to be SCAMMED
They show signs of WANTING to be SCAMMED/CONNED/FOOLED by going with/investing in/ the Republican Party.....

They know its all BS but they mask that with a belief denying the truth...allowing DELUSION...which makes it all acceptable and in some cases, fashionable...
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eallen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 11:10 AM
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4. They're not fooled. They just hate us for our freedom.
Bush's base, the religious right, know exactly why they support him. They're not fooled. They're just evil.

:hippie:
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 11:22 AM
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17. Some are Good and some are EVIL, most of us are in between..
I suppose you are right...these peeps are EVIL and they Know it too and they just DGAF
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 12:23 PM
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127. Rather than use culturally charged words like "evil," I prefer to
say that they are "ignorant," which is almost as much of a perjorative, but one that admists of possible correction, i.e., education.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 12:28 PM
Response to Reply #127
130. Could a State of being Ignorantly Evil exist?? I happen to think it could.
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 12:40 PM
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135. I believe there are evil actions, e.g., the invasion\occupation
of Iraq. But I'm not sure I believe there are evil people. Granted, some are beyond any hope of redemption, e.g., * and Hitler, but I prefer a "therapeutic" model to a "moralist" model of humanity. (However, having just written that, if I were going to use "evil" on any official in BFEE, I think I would save it for Rumsferatu and Dickhead Cheney :)
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 12:46 PM
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137. I believe we are on the same page and sentence even.
"Some are beyond any hope of redemption" sez it all.

In my mind, those who helped stealing our last 2 elections...whether they engineered it or merely point voters to the wrong polling station, etc are evil too...for they knew they were doing wrong, and yet they did it. The evilness goes from the ground workers to the top...
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 10:43 PM
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159. some REALLY believe W was chosen by god
that god put his hand in the FL2000 ballot boxes and made sure W won....... I had colleagues who believed this; when I said 'my God doesn't steal elections', they just stared at me

there are some who only see abortion and believe only republicans will stop abortion

some are doing very well and think democrats are just weird and 'ivory tower and unable to deal with the nitty-gritty of reality' (one of my brothers)..... another brother who was 1 year in Vietnam and then in the reserve votes republican b/c 'of what happened in VN' (what does that mean???? I have no idea)
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 01:56 AM
Response to Reply #159
172. Still under the spell of the war hawks of the 60/70's
The core Pubs are revealed to be HARDCORE, stubborn, rigid, and frighteningly myopic.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 12:54 PM
Response to Reply #4
207. they have just losted touch with reality
and believe everyone should think like them, impose their will and way of their thinking on others.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 04:13 PM
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225. Isn't that DELUSIONAL? LOL, just a thought...my 2 cents
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Bitter Cup Donating Member (96 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 03:07 PM
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219. These are the real haters of Freedom.
People looking, acting, and talking differently is terrifying to this set. They find it obscene that anyone would differ with them and they find difference intolerable to the point where they will kill or sanction killing in the vain hope of eliminating it.

We often forget how frequently such "haters of freedom" arise from inside rather than outside. In fact, as far as threats and terrorism go, I suspect the vast majority have always come from inside the fence.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 04:14 PM
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226. Yup, as in the Tim McVeigh guy
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Boomer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 11:14 AM
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5. Who say's they're fooled?
Bush is lining their pockets with war profits and tax breaks. Of course they support him.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 11:25 AM
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18. I was refering to those who do not benifit financially from being a Pub
and in more cases than not...most actually lose money along with the rest of us...Bush is not a Profitable President for the Masses as Clinton was...Bush is a LOSER....LOOK at the EVIDENCE
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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 12:23 PM
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66. TRY this..My favorite article
quote......
Emotional blackmail (Demand, Resistance, Pressure Threats, Compliance and Repetition) is not used exclusively in personal relationships. It is used any time one group or person wants to force its agenda, opinion or will on another. You’ve probably witnessed it on the job and currently you can study the effects simply by turning on the news.

Each of these tactics has been used extensively by the media and the government in the United States since September 11, 2001 to push the agenda and create agreement within the US population and worldwide. Commentators like Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity are masters with this tactic and provide nightly opportunities to study it in action. Former President Bill Clinton knew well how to use emotional blackmail to his advantage. It is a persuasive tool. The purpose of emotional blackmail is to control, redirect and ultimately create a state of cognitive dissonance.

Cognitive dissonance is the state of confusion that occurs when facts become twisted into half-truths, colliding with common sense and suddenly you are convinced 2+2 = 5. Your instincts tell you something isn’t right; yet the information you are fed and exposed to counteracts your instincts causing you to doubt yourself. Some refer to this as Orwellian speak, the act of taking antonyms and presenting them as synonyms: War is Peace, Consent is Patriotism, Disagreement is Anti-American or Rights are Weaknesses. These are some of the Orwellian messages Americans are currently sifting through
end quote.......

http://www.couplescompany.com/features/politics/CogDiss.htm
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 12:44 PM
Response to Reply #66
70. Very well said my friend...WELL SAID and Points Taken
EMOTIONAL BLKMAIL..is also used by Cults and Churches too
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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 01:07 PM
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76. State of cognitive dissonance
we are living through like never before in our history. Remember, news is 24/7 and it's all so contradictory by MSM. It's easier to stay the course and continue to believe what you always have then have to dissect new information. When people are presented with two ideas they will always take the one that requires less change....it's just more comfortable.The country is aging. EVERYTHING that people held as truth is in question. The change is what is difficult.
People always KNEW that gay people existed in the shadows but NOW they demand their rights!
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 01:11 PM
Response to Reply #76
78. Yup, the disconnect thingy...if it don't feel good...forget it...
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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 01:13 PM
Response to Reply #78
79. We live in a 'feel good society'
:puke: IF I have to 'think' that may be painful, so I don't choose to!
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 01:19 PM
Response to Reply #79
83. Yup, "Whats the point spread on the Dallas game??" Who bringing the ribs?
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 11:46 AM
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37. 29%? bush is lining the pockets of 29% w war profits and tax breaks?
EOM
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 11:14 AM
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6. Incredible Pride and Ignorance - "Conservative" DNA!
In their quiet moments they think of their flag waving and shouting down liberals back in late 2002 and early 2003. In their quiet moments now they know they were wrong but a "conservative" is much to proud to admit fault. The 30ish percent can't admit they were dumbucking wrong and duped by evil masters. They'd rather remain ignorant hoping upon hope that everything will be alright. For their own religious reasons the continued death of "ragheads" can be rationalized so they feel good about themselves. "conservatives" are the number one domestic enemy of the constitution and my hate is rational.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 11:32 AM
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24. Yup, Its in their BLOOD, their PSYCH, and in their HEART
and they will never eat CROW...NEVER
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 11:14 AM
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7. Motivation? They think that by supporting Bush, they will gain
money and power for themselves personally. They like the idea of grinding the competition into the dust with their bootheels.

It's all about money and power and ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 11:27 AM
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20. AHHHH, the "ME" Syndrome AKA as the "MINE SYNDROME"
Its all about Me and Mine...fuck everyone else...
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PWRinNY Donating Member (456 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 07:40 PM
Response to Reply #20
147. Exactly
They're incredibly selfish. ME ME ME. It's all they care about.
"I resent working the first half of every year to pay taxes so your parents and grandparents can have medical coverage, or so your kids can eat."
"My taxes pay for them welfare queens."
"I'd rather be alive than free, to hell with your rights, I'll sell them right out to be safe from terraists."
Selfishness and fear motivate everything they do.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 09:31 PM
Response to Reply #147
155. They are stuck on Level One...
Like a car with 5 gears....they only use one...the first gear....running around at 9 mph...not knowing there are 4 more gears...
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Minnesota Libra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 11:14 AM
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8. It's called "willful stupidity", "willful ignorance", take your choice nt
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 11:29 AM
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23. Evidence our Schooling System is Rigged to produce IGNORANCE
Shameful and Evil...it goes on and in fact...gets worse as I type...
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Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 11:18 AM
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10. It's not that complicated...
Somebody told them that if they voted the right way:

  • that at Jesus' name every knee shall bend
  • that taxes will never go up, and services will never go
  • that corporations may get their money, but people who don't look like them never will
  • that foreigners will tremble when they see our might
  • that they'll get to 'keep their guns'
  • that The Other -- women, fags, liberals, coloreds -- will know their place

And finally and most important:

  • that all change will stop , now.


What's not to like?
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 11:34 AM
Response to Reply #10
25. The very very Rich and Powerful do not want Change..they want
to keep the Power and Wealth they have...and more if possible..

They nurture the status quo...
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 10:46 PM
Response to Reply #10
160. yes indeed NO MORE CHANGE EVER
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populistdriven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 11:19 AM
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12. only watch fox news
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hwmnbn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 11:20 AM
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13. Think banjo music and ......
the theme from deliverance.

That's the only explanation.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 12:05 PM
Response to Reply #13
56. OMG, INBREEDING????
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Scoody Boo Donating Member (634 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 11:21 AM
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15. The Number of People fool is much higher than that...
A big reason why the numbers for the President are falling is because of immigration (not because Republicans think he lied about the war).
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 11:35 AM
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26. Do you think that once folks start questioning him on immigration
they'll start questioning him on other things, like how he's never used the veto power once?
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Scoody Boo Donating Member (634 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 11:41 AM
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32. Even with the veto...
it is conservatives who are pissed off at him for not being conservative enough. If you are assuming the the 29% disapproval numbers means that now 71% will be voting Democrat then we will be set up for another failure.

It was Bush who tried to move the left on some things, not the Republicans and they are the ones that are dissatisfied. Bush had NO support on the left so those numbers are unchanged. It is conservative support where he is taking a beating.

The same thing with the war. Conservatives are dissatisfied with how the war is being fought because they feel that it has not been escalated to the point where we can win, not because the troops won't get pulled out.

Yes, there is plenty of dissatisfaction on the Right but for reasons completely different from the Left.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 01:25 PM
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85. Bush has not won anything...Our Society is all about WINNING
Starts in Sports, etc

That Bush has been a failure is not acceptable to the Conservatives...they gonna shift gears and go get one...likje McCain for one...

I did not assume 71 % gonna vote Dem...its more like 25 to 34% just enough to landslide...
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 02:44 PM
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93. Oh, I'm not assuming that at all
I was just wondering if he were to shift back towards a hardline stance on immigration if he could win back some of the people he's lost, or if they've got problems with him on enough other issues that he will never see their support again. Or under what conditions they would return to him.

As far as the war goes, do you really think there's widespread belief that we aren't doing well among the right wing? 'Cause all I'm seeing is the typical kool-aid drinking nonsense that the MSM wants the war to go badly so they're only reporting the bad things and not the good things. But if you don't trust the media to report what's happening, how do you get any information? I know that individual soldiers have said that things over there aren't that bad, but one soldier can only see a fraction of the overall picture. And of course the army isn't going to say things are going badly. So what do the conservatives base their information on?
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 03:44 PM
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96. The Conservatives follow their Leaders who blind them with BULL CRAP
Their Leaders are the guys who pull the strings..thats right, THE GUYS...

Its a Male Dominated World they live in.

It started with the Jews and their Levites who over threw Heathens and Pagans

The Christians is an off shoot of the Jewish faith

So are the Muslims...

All have one thing in common...the MAN RULES

Ever since then, 2,700 years ago...its been down hill.

When men and women get parity, all will be well again.
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newportdadde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 12:12 PM
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122. I think your on the money here.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 12:25 PM
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67. No, the immigration issue is race baiting (not my words) pure
and simply. The war is racial in some aspects as well, so you're armchair Amurikan isn't worried about dead brown people half a world away. It's a sad commentary on those 29% of Americans, but that's what it is.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 01:18 PM
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82. Pathetically sad...War is a BUSINESS gone wild...
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 12:53 PM
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74. The POWER has shifter from Congress to the Oval Office
Congress does the bidding of the President...hence no need to veto anything...he get what he wants...period...until now that is...
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 11:21 AM
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16. Rapturistas who WANT the End of the World. They believe Bush is making it
happen.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 11:55 AM
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47. Very STRONG POSSIBILTY here....very strong....
5 years of doing everything to cause conflict and counter production...
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 12:10 PM
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59. No mystery - remember James Watt? We don't need to care for our land -
we won't need trees when we're Raptured.

Assholes.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 12:46 PM
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71. WATT...the dude wanted to drill for oil off Santa Barbara
He was given the Shoe with a massive bullet hole in it ...by RR
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 11:28 AM
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21. Some are from families who have always voted GOP cause dad
and mom did.

Some are doing what GAWD is telling them through the mouths of False "Prophets".

Some are doing it for gianormous tax breaks, contracts, perks and deregulation.

Some = The Sum = The Sum-bitches that have wrecked their own country, probably beyond the point of repair, because of their unpatriotic greed, laziness, blind faith and ignorance.



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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 11:59 AM
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52. Ya said it all Hubert...
Some even mix the COOL AID....Damn
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 12:15 PM
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62. Asininity-R-Us = the Grand Old Pity Party...
Edited on Mon May-29-06 12:15 PM by Hubert Flottz
They need to quit using the ten commandments for a political stage prop and read and heed them!

Bush needs to FORGIVE people once in a while instead of always bombing them..."Ye must be bombed again," don't seem quite right to me! Gawd wanted the shock and awe thing, left in his own hands, I think. I'm starting to think that Bush is even lying about being a "Jesus Man"
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 01:14 PM
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80. Its the GREED or PEACE Party...they pick Greed all the Time
Bush ain't no jesus man...he is a fake
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 01:05 PM
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209. a very dangerous fake
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revree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 11:36 AM
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27. Members of a cult rarely wake up on their own...
They need deprogramming, or they end up committing suicide at their leader's bidding. Sound familiar?
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 11:45 AM
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36. Such is the extent of Brainwashing
Like in Jim Jones and Koresh
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Red Knight Donating Member (346 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 11:36 AM
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28. I work with one of those zombies
The guy has absolutely no grip on the issues at all--he's clueless. His research into the issues doesn't involve anything more strenuous than listening to Limbaugh and watching Bill O'Rielly. When I try to engage him in the specifics of issues he's lost. He's astonishingly ignorant.

I was talking to him about Bush's big tax cut and how little it would mean for him and his family and his reponse was that perhaps my numbers were provided by a liberal group and were distorted. He thinks he's getting much more without having a clue as to what that number is.

In Bush he trusts.

It's maddening. It's maddening because he VOTES! He knows NOTHING about the issues really or how it affects him but he VOTES!

And there are a lot more like him.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 11:53 AM
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44. Mind boggling .....but its THERE...all 30 % of them...Incredible....
Pure Laziness or
Pure Stupidity??
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 12:04 PM
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118. I worked part time in an
office for a short while where these two cretins listened to Limpballs and Hannity all day. It was a small insurance company owned by a hard core repuke who paid them squat and treated them like slave labor. They were too dumb to realize that guys like Limpballs and their boss were taking advantage of their stupidity. One actually had a picture of the chimp and pickles in his cubicle.

I can actually understand why the wealthy vote repuke as a matter of self-interest. It's the idiots on the low end of the totem pole who consistently vote for those who are screwing them that I find most maddening.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 12:21 PM
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125. When brains were being passed out...these peeps were fishing...
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 10:04 PM
Response to Reply #28
156. Welcome to DU!
Zombies is right! :rofl:
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 11:38 AM
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29. They WANT a dictator...
a Dad figure. They are frightened, non-too-smart, childlike people wanting a leader who says, "Don't worry, just go about your business and I'll take care of things for you."
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 11:46 AM
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38. The TOO LAZY TO THINK Crowd....follows Rush for advice and comments
so they can sound smart...I know the type....Hopeless.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 11:40 AM
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31. Janeane Garafalo calls it "willful ignorance" .
It may be something in their water or a nutritional imbalance. Hard to say.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 11:42 AM
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34. Yep. Willful "ignorance and narrowmindedness." See my sig.
:shrug:
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 11:55 AM
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49. Wow. I had been looking for that Edmund Burke quote a few days ago.
Thanks.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 01:11 PM
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210. and being totally arrogant.
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 11:50 AM
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40. check this out
A total of 14 percent of Americans have had or know someone who has had at least one Close Encounter of the "First," "Second," or "Third" kind. The largest proportion (12 percent) say they or someone else they know has seen a UFO at close quarters.

A 2002 Time-CNN poll found that 59 percent of Americans believe that the prophecies found in the book of Revelations are going to come true. Nearly one-quarter think the Bible predicted the 9/11 attacks.

A new survey on religious beliefs found half of all American adults believe in ghosts, almost a third believe in astrology and more than a quarter believe in reincarnation. Fifty-one percent of the public, including 58 percent of women, believe in ghosts, according to a Harris Poll of a cross section of 2,201 adults surveyed online between Jan. 21 and 27. Thirty-one percent of the public believe in astrology, including 36 percent of women, and 27 percent believe in reincarnation - that they were once another person.

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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 11:53 AM
Response to Reply #40
45. I believe in Monsters...
And I believe they are all in the GOP!
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 12:14 PM
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61. The NEWEST MONSTER is the DUDE in the CIA...Damn....
He sounds Evil, Looks it too, and he walks EVIL. Double damn...
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 12:20 PM
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64. He's bush's little yes-man and he's vatching YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!11!1!11!1
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 01:09 PM
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77. He iz Vatching and Vistening to you too...Dis iz crazy life ve live, no?
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 12:02 PM
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54. Amazing stats.....How bout this one: 15% are ILLITERATE and 25%
are Alliterate

That makes it 40% of Americans who DO NOT READ..includes W Bush

Perhaps this explains your stats?? I think so...
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 01:40 PM
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91. I think most the UFOers and other tin hats read as for Ghostists I'd agree
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 11:24 PM
Response to Reply #40
167. it's goofy when you see it
actuarially?
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Bonhomme Richard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 11:51 AM
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43. They are not being fooled.
They are just ignorant, nasty people who have huge inferiority complexes.
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 11:55 AM
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46. Spectator politics.
It's the same loyalty people have for a specific sports team, regardless of how bad the team sucks...it doesn't matter how many drugs the players are on, how many players/coaches on the team have been sued for rape/harrassment/abuse, etc. Team loyalty is considered a virtue for some odd reason.

They have "stayed true" to Bush from day one. They don't want to turn their back on their "team" just because times are tough. :shrug:
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 11:55 AM
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48. You can fool some of the people all the time.
But you cannot fool all the people all the time.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 11:57 AM
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50. I wuz waiting for that one, LOL...The smell of Coffee has reached
new heights
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laundry_queen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 11:57 AM
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51. All of the above.
It's a mix of never admitting their wrong, stubborness, stupidity and narrowmindedness (why would you have a reason to change your position if you refuse to listen to anything that doesn't support it). It's also WANTING to be dictated to (read Alice Miller's "For your own good") and a healthy dose of wanna-be.

Bushbots remind me of those kids in high school that will do ANYTHING to be with the 'in' crowd. They will bully other kids if the 'in' kids tell them to. They will dress however, do whatever, as long as the 'in' kids tell them to. They fancy themselves as being 'in' simply b/c they kiss the 'in' kids' asses. They like the power and feeling of belonging (however false) that being with the 'in' crowd gives them. They think the 'in' kids are laughing with them when they are actually laughing AT them. But they don't get it, they think they're "IN".
Definition of a Bushbot.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 12:04 PM
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55. Yes, its the Gang Syndrome??
All of the above seems about right...
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KyuzoGator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 12:02 PM
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53. They are just fucking stupid.
Don't beat yourself up hyperanalyzing it too much.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 12:07 PM
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58. The Stupid Syndrome>>>? I love it....
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Anarcho-Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 12:06 PM
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57. a number of reasons...
Edited on Mon May-29-06 12:07 PM by Anarcho-Socialist
1. Religion - we understand how conservative evangelism finds common cause with the Bushist form of 'conservatism'. A lot has been written about this already.

2. Prestige - the conservative white working class has seen its social status decrease, as the black population has obtained increasingly greater rights (but not quite equal yet), and in some cases have benefited from social mobility, and are no longer expected to be subservient to the white working class. Homosexuals, once an invisible and totally un-tolerated minority have also benefited to some extent from social mobility and have become successful, leaving the conservative white working class behind. In times past, this underclass relied on social conservatism as a means to hold the white working class (men) high in status (over gays, ethnic minorities, immigrants) despite their poverty. In modern times this group finds it difficult to compete on level terms with anybody else and will often invent 'liberal biases' that put minorities and women at advantages ahead of him, to compensate his ego for his drop in status.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 12:12 PM
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60. Yup, In order to compete on level terms, they must denigrate
These Pub guys are seeing their shrinks much more often these days
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 12:20 PM
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65. I think it's hard for them to admit that they were wrong.
Epiphanies along with the accompanying mea culpas are hard for right wingers. Even Bush finally admitting he shouldn't have said what he said publically didn't seems to really believe it and he tried to make it into something joking and lighthearted. It's as if all the Americans, Afghanis and Iraqis, who are dead because of his policies, don't exist in his world and he was apologizing only for saying the wrong thing.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 12:49 PM
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72. Crow, no matter how its prepared, is SO hard to eat...
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 02:11 PM
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92. Especially if it prepared by a French chef French bistro style
Edited on Mon May-29-06 02:12 PM by Cleita
or would they insist on calling it "freedom crow"?

:rofl:

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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 03:44 PM
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97. Crow Under Glass?? LOL....
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guinivere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 08:00 PM
Response to Reply #72
149. Would you like freedom fries with that ?
Or maybe a nice French red wine?
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peace frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 12:34 PM
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68. Bush's supporters cannot conceive of being wrong
because this administration perfectly reflects their own worldview: racist, homophobic, xenophobic.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 12:50 PM
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73. LEVEL ONE IGNORANCE is ALIVE and WELL here in the USA
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 12:37 PM
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69. Um, not wanting to be "unfooled". There are none so blind, as those who
will not see.

What's the explanation for a wife who ignores the tell tale lipstick on the collar and mysterious phone numbers in the jacket pocket?

Same thing. Not wanting to see, despite obvious signs, so as to preserve the comfortable illusion.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 01:05 PM
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75. Its a type of sickness? The wanting of the status quo so bad they
over look the obvious?

Ya got something there.
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 01:22 PM
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84. It's been said "The hardest thing in the world is to know how to do
something and watch somebody do it wrong...and say nothing." I think that right up there with that one is that nobody likes to admit they've been played for a fool. So, many people who've been scammed (or even raped) are too ashamed to report or do anything about it.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 01:27 PM
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88. The Mind prevents the action of "dummying up"
They hate to eat Crow....
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 01:25 PM
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86. Brainwashing and Dehumanization of the Iraqis by "Christians"
Edited on Mon May-29-06 01:27 PM by TheGoldenRule
keeps those 29% blissfully happy and content with their UGLY and NAZI like treatment of a people who did NOTHING to them or this country in the first place. :puke:

I would never call them "christians"-there is nothing good in what they do-they disgust me! :puke:
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 01:38 PM
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90. False Christians who use Religion as an excuse for Stupidity
and greed...
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kerry-is-my-prez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 01:26 PM
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87. Cognitive Dissonance- you ignore any facts that don't agree w/your beliefs
http://www.afirstlook.com/archive/cogdiss.cfm

People avoid information that is likely to increase dissonance. Not only do we tend to select reading material and television programs that are consistent with our existing beliefs, we usually choose to be with people who are like us. By taking care to ‘‘stick with our own kind," we can maintain the relative comfort of the status quo. Like-minded people buffer us from ideas that could cause discomfort. In that sense, the process of making friends is an example of selecting our own propaganda.


for example:
So if you believe in George W. Bush -- and polls say that a significant majority of Americans do -- but don't approve of cutting pensions for long-term workers, then (1) you can turn against Bush. Or (2) you can decide that Bush is right and that corporate interests are more important than worker pensions. Or (3) you can take the easy path and simply deny that pensions are in jeopardy.

"There's a prediction you can make down the line: The more unpopular his policies, the higher his poll numbers are going to get," Cooper continued. Why? Because we are human, alas. As long as we support someone, we must incrementally increase our approval in the face of criticism. .... people either abandon Bush or their faith in him rises to a level greater than the sum of the condemnation.

…Opposition can …. harden, although not necessarily deepen, one's base of support. And remember, there's no small number of fence-sitters willing to side with a winner against all comers no matter what the party affiliation."
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 01:37 PM
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89. I do Not Approve of this President....
The supporters have mental issues resulting in a steadfast course....toward the reefs of failure, still they cling to the course as if rudder is welded in fixed position...Woe unto us for this belief...
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 02:46 PM
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94. There are segments in this country
who remain biggoted, without conscience, worship the Buck and a vengefull god, are just sheep,and bone mean.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 03:38 PM
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95. A large part of it is the core 29% I guess...
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 12:05 AM
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98. A sizable portion of the 29% are rich people that support
Bush because they are "making out like bandits". The remaining 10% or so, are just terminally stupid.
Yet, that handful of people (29%) is running the show and unless the Diebold machines and the whory press are subdued in November, they will continue to be in charge. We are not living in a Democracy.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 01:34 AM
Response to Reply #98
99. Agreed, the mega rich/powerful wish to remain so by dictating
and dominating...

In many instances, laws and codes are made with them in mind....
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 05:16 AM
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100. Okay I "slept on it" and
I'm still pissed!

I don't know if I'll ever be unpissed!
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 05:36 AM
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101. Hubert, don't wet the bed over this...go out side and piss on a tree
Edited on Tue May-30-06 05:36 AM by opihimoimoi
while thinking of doing on it the BushCo's pants....what a HOOOOT

Good Grief, its almost 1 A>M> here....late for my cyber games....Planetside...
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 05:45 AM
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103. You reminded me of that old book ' Yellow River' by I P Freely...
Edited on Tue May-30-06 05:50 AM by Hubert Flottz
But America is more like 'Russian Tragedy' by He-gnawed-er Tit-off.

'Hogan's Goat-R-Us' by the GOP, illustrated by GW Bushwaaaah, foreward by Ronnie Rat ReaGoon,

EDIT...I'm off to the dentist's Chamber of Horrors, for the making of part three of...'The Hillbilly's Tooth That Wouldn't Die'.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 11:58 AM
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116. Chamber of Horrors at the dentist office?? OMG...use the GAS
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 10:14 AM
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106. Zactly!
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 10:07 PM
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157. Almost 20% of Americans think they are in the top 1% of earners
I think it's like 18 or 19% of Americans think they are among the top 1% of income earners. So, plenty of people out there think they're getting a huge windfall in tax refunds by having Bush as president... "oh yeah, I'm getting that $42,000..."

I think as of a few years back, to qualify for the top 1%, you had to make somewhere between $1.2 million and $1.3 million per year. That is not having a net worth of $1.3 million, that is actually earning $1.3 million.

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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 10:20 PM
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158. Its so unfair its shameful...99% of the tax breaks go to the 1%
and the 99% of us gets the remainder 1% of the monies....WTF?
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PublicRadioVet Donating Member (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 05:44 AM
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102. Think of it like team sports
If you are a die-hard fan, it's unconscionable to "abandon the team" even if evidence suggests that it is wise to do so. Loyalty plays a very, very strong part, as does contrarianism. A lot of people in the 29% stick to their guns, if only because they enjoy being the "maverick" who won't slosh around with the shifting tides of public opinion; for right or wrong. So I don't think it can be boiled down to stupidity alone. A lot of very smart people are in that 29%. Ignoring this seems to be its own form of ignorance.
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 10:55 PM
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161. there's a recurrent, somewhat recent RW meme out........ 'W doesn't
pay any attn to polls; he knows what's right and he does it; he stays the course no matter what the nay-sayers say or do'

there's an element of the American character that admires someone who doesn't falter, no matter how alone he is
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 01:53 AM
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171. But this amount to Unilateralism, despotic, arrogance, lack of discussion,
subject to much higher error rates, and is not logical, reasonable, nor Common Sense.

This Poor Actor called BUSH, he is in love with his charactor...
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 05:45 AM
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104. 2% are bush's actual base--our enemies in the class war
5% more think they are in the actual base, but they aren't

2% more are repuke faithful idiots who happily take it in the shorts just so long as the "home team" "wins"

10% are religiously insane and really belong in an institution somewhere

10% don't exist at all except in the polling biases built into our media
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 12:33 PM
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132. I think I agree with your analysis, altho I would put the % of
Edited on Tue May-30-06 12:34 PM by coalition_unwilling
"religiously insane," i.e., the right-wing evangelical Christians at 20-25%, based on surveys I've seen of the numbers of Americans who consider themselves born again. I don't think there's a built-in 10% bias in the polls, as all major polls seem to be within a 3-5% range in any given time period.

I would say that 2% are the hyper-wealthy.
8% are the hyper-wealthy wanna-bes
20% are the right wing evangelical nuts, aka your "religiously insane."
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 12:41 PM
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136. BINGO...,a case of your fave brew to you and a case of crab legs
and ribs too
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 06:37 AM
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187. see my post above...it's a lot more than 5%
They had a survey about 2 years ago that indicated that around 18 or 19% of Americans think they are in the top 1% of earners. A large majority of those 18/19% are Bush's base.

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APPLE314 Donating Member (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 06:42 AM
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105. They are voting their pocketbooks. Gotta follow the money. n/t
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 11:56 AM
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115. Some get rewarded for being a Pub..but many actually lose ground
they vote against their own interests and don't even know it...until they see the quality of life getting worse...then its too late
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 10:59 PM
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162. a black conservate christian woman told me after 2000 selection
that 'finally people are voting their religious beliefs rather than their pocketbook'

this really, really bothered me, especially since I found more and more blacks at the conservative christian college saying they voted republican
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 01:49 AM
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169. 3 Blind Mice, see how they run....
Delusional? Misguided? Brainwashed? Misled? Scammed? Conned? Fooled? Challenged?

Are these guys BLIND...they do not see?

Oh well, ya can lead um to water.....
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 11:06 AM
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107. I think these were the children that were left behind.
By both the education system and Tim Lahaye.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 11:54 AM
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114. The Ed System we got is Comped...we reap what we teach
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NoodleyAppendage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 11:14 AM
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108. BLIND FAITH. The dumbass Xtian self-defense mechanism.
I would bet my house that if you polled the stalwart 29% percent still support Bush, these folks would be fervent Xtians and of little intellectual curosity. These are the 29% of Americans who are scared shitless of everything and hide behind religion and blind faith as a defense mechanism for the uncertainties of life. Bush as the "strong leader" assuages their fears and reinforces their "he's one of us" attitude.

J
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 11:47 AM
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110. Brainwashed into acceptance?? I agree with you...of course some
actually depend on the Pub Path cause they get rich off of it..like Rush, sean. bill, etc and the Mega Rich who call the shots.
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Dulcinea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 01:11 PM
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139. You nailed it!
These are the 29% of Americans who are scared shitless of everything and hide behind religion and blind faith as a defense mechanism for the uncertainties of life.

People incapable of thinking for themselves. It's too painful & scary.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 07:30 PM
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143. It wouldn't be so bad if they kept to themsaelves...but they are drilling
holes into the Lifeboat called Earth...by denying Global Warming is real and must be addressed,
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KyuzoGator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 11:48 AM
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111. Again, guys...THEY ARE JUST FUCKING STUPID.
It's not that complicated.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 11:53 AM
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113. LOL, Yes they are "Stupid"...many are INTENTIONALLY STUPID
by sheer Laziness, peer pressure, etc...

And many are unable to grasp it all...stuck on 1st gear...unable to shift into 2nd 3rd and 4th gear...never to reach overdrive the 5th gear...

Its a fact of Nature...
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 12:01 PM
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117. I'm sure that a certain percentage are crazy too. n/t
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KyuzoGator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 12:11 PM
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121. Crazy can make you do stupid things, and vice-versa.
It's a thin line.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 01:26 PM
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211. and too much religion can make a person stupid
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 11:20 PM
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240. There ius a segment in most religions that go overboard, become
obssessive and/or compulsive,.... I>E> "I must attend Mass every day"...I know ofd a fella who did this for 7 years and in the end...he was doing for the record...not for the Mass.

Pathetic....
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 12:06 PM
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119. Woim Syndrome
(Named for the toady to the Little Rascals' resident bully)

Some people just get a vicarious thrill from displays of power, as long as it isn't directed at them (at least, not in an obvious manner). Even more so if it's directed at someone they like to ridicule.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 12:11 PM
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120. Yup, I saw this in the aerly days...one of my friends voted Bush
cause he was "TOUGH" and wuz "gonna gettum", etc ad nauseum.

Today, he is sorry for voting Pub and has vowed never to do it again...He has seen the error of his ways...

But others are still blinded and in a coma...
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ItNerd4life Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 12:14 PM
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123. Blinded by self-righteousness
Many people have this failing, they will argue their beliefs no matter what the facts.

I've run into many people who 'interpret' the facts to fit their belief.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 12:19 PM
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124. They have swallowed the kool aid...all of it...drained the pitcher even
Brain washed, blinded, selfcenteredness, tunnel vision, stupidity, and many other reasons above posts...
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ItNerd4life Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 12:48 PM
Response to Reply #124
138. LOL. Drained the pitcher even
I love that visual.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 12:25 PM
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128. The Bible, Guns, and Coors. Not necessarily in that order.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 12:36 PM
Response to Reply #128
133. What are the results of the above....Bush, Cheney, and Rice/Dummy etc
Which has given us shit so far into these past 5 seasons...not one winning season, not one game...its all losses...for 5 fucking seasons...

When we gonna change the Coaching Staff?

The Pubs have fucked it up so bad...now they wanna invade our Dem Party and fuck us up too?

These guys are like Termites...they come in the night to fuck us over...Damn
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 01:33 PM
Response to Reply #133
212. can we use insectide on those termites please?
just a few squirts or maybe the whole can please?
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 04:16 PM
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228. BEEP BEEP BEEP, make room for the 40 ton CONTAINER please...
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anarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 12:27 PM
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129. b/c the Democratic Party isn't manly enough for them
or something like that. Also, they are really, really stupid.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 12:39 PM
Response to Reply #129
134. And yet, when we examine, it is the DEM Party who are the real deal
Edited on Tue May-30-06 12:39 PM by opihimoimoi
They were the ones who went to war...much more than the WIMPY Pubs.

Them PUBs like to PHOTO OP their Manliness but deep own...they are WIMPs...and they know it.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 01:53 PM
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140. They have every bad quality known to man or beast and still...
the FOOLS reSelect the crooks again and again! I think the clenis gave America a good portion of this porking too! Billy Big Tool may not have set out to screw the whole country, but the end product was the Mother of All Porkings...The second shot heard of round the world, landed on Monica's skirt, who'd a thunk it.

NeKKKita said "We Will Bury You"...but it was ...Monica who finally BLEW us away...Monica Blew It...Bloowey...and now we're almost HISTORY.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 07:28 PM
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142. The Dems may be down but we are not OUT. Not by a L ONG SHOT HEARD
around the HIMALAYAS, ANDES, and ROCKIES....

2nd shot landed on Monicas shirt...Dammit all to Hell...who woulda thought it?? Only them Pervies who told Monica to keep it and NOT WASH THE DAMN THING...Only them...

We are not History yet....
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 04:38 AM
Response to Reply #142
182. Joey on the bottom Mary on the top...
The Holy Ghosts in the corners yellin' "Give Her All Yee Got!"

Yee must be burned again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and yee still don't get it...

A person don't need to belong to the Taliban to be a religious fanatic/damned crazy fool! You can be a religious fanatic, right there in your county voting booth. That is where the danger of mixing church and state is the worst! GAWD don't need to eat but Joe Six Pack does! Too many people FORGET that kind of equation at the Gawd Damnedest times!

Where george leads them they will follow;
What george feeds them they will swallow;
And george has nothing to serve up but more lies and more of the same old BUSHIT!
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 12:28 PM
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196. Somehow, those Head Pubs got the peeps to swallow the cool aid
to the point of addictiveness...they just gatta get their RW Fix via Rash and Sean, etc...Damn...

and they fight for the Last Drop too...mindboggling...
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 11:05 PM
Response to Reply #129
163. at county dem party meeting after 2000 selection, some said their children
Edited on Tue May-30-06 11:07 PM by bobbieinok
voted republican b/c 'the democratic party is for losers', ie the people who need welfare, help, etc

the parents were really freaked but could see no way to counter this perception they said was common among their children's friends

add that to the union people attending who said all their union contacts told them they voted republican b/c of either abortion or guns or both

edited to add--

plus all my colleagues who 'knew' god chose W to be US leader 'for such a time as this' (this is a phrase used constantly in pentecostal/charismatic circles)
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 02:07 AM
Response to Reply #163
177. The effects of brainwashing, psyops, etc explains we got conned
snookered, and scammed.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 01:54 PM
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141. They want to believe it.
It fits their worldview. They hear what they want to hear and disregard the rest.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 07:32 PM
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144. Selfcentered and arrogant about it. Both not in the best interest of us
Humans...
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guinivere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 08:12 PM
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150. Yes. And stubborn to the point of craziness. In admitting that they
were wrong they would be saying that we were right. They will never, ever, ever say that a Dem was right.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 09:22 PM
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151. Its the narcissism in them..unable to admit fault/blame/guilt
A human flaw that is personified in Bush..
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 01:39 PM
Response to Reply #150
213. never giving the Dems a chance
Edited on Thu Jun-01-06 01:42 PM by alyce douglas
even on the Senate floor for proposing or changing amendments. It is all about power.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 11:58 PM
Response to Reply #213
245. We soon learn, then forget, Unilateralism, one sided Decider
is not a good thing....

poly views are better than one(myopic vision)
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 07:32 PM
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145. read about the Milgram experiment.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 09:25 PM
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152. Lemme guess...if mem serves me...about 65% of Americans would pull
the switch to 440 volts thus maim/killing the person on the other end....if ordered by the guy in the smock
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 02:46 PM
Response to Reply #152
198. that number would be higher if they claimed it was a terrorist
or even if it was just some swarthy guy who didn't speak English.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 04:25 PM
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235. In Europe, it was 85 %...mind boggling
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 07:35 PM
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146. It's the same 29% who buy Tony Robbins tapes, Amway, and
see the Virgin Mary in the burns on their toast.

If it hadn't been abused in the South, I'd say we need IQ tests for voting.


Maybe a real simple one like "Do you believe you can get rich placing classified ads in your part time?"

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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 09:26 PM
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153. Damn..ya got it right...Pathetic ...isn't it?
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 07:43 PM
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148. "Some people" believe there were WMD
Even after the government admitted there were none... That pretty much sums up the willful ignorance, imho.

Some people believe it's a valid excuse to say BushCo was duped by bad intelligence, even though people at the presidential administration level should be keen enough to discern good intelligence from bad.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 09:28 PM
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154. LOL, More like wilfull DELUSION.....
And they don't even know it....keeps on going like they are right...closet nuts, posing as normal
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 11:09 PM
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164. My family actually agrees with the policies.
It's sad, but there ya are.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 02:09 AM
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178. Astuteness is a rare thing these days...espec the pos kind...
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 11:18 PM
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165. Fools are usually fooled easily.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 01:45 AM
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168. To Rule is to FOOL.. should be made into a Bumper stuff. LOL
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 11:22 PM
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166. RELIGION!!!
LOL -funny post OP
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 02:02 AM
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174. Religion is a huge factor....conditioned to obey/follow/support
this group was essential to the Pub Takeover...but now success has revealed the inheirent Flaws of this approch to governing ourselves.

The confirmation is Bush himself. a Product of a System gone Wild.
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jerry611 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 01:52 AM
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170. 24% supported Nixon even after he resigned
Its just how some people are. They are loyal.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 02:01 AM
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173. I know. My mother was one of them.
She believed he was railroaded by his enemies. :eyes:
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 02:05 AM
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176. I am not a Crook Dick is a Saint compared to Bush
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 02:15 AM
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179. Tricky Dicky was still a patriot and he care about
his country no matter how misguided he was. You can't say that about the present cabal. They are just a bunch of thieves and murderers with no loyalty to our country whatsoever.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 02:22 AM
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180. The Republican Party got itself Hijacked by the NeoCons
Nixon went to China and the shifting of production resulted. Our jobs went West ever since.

He too was a noob.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 02:03 AM
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175. In Nature its called the Lemming Effect....follow those Leaders over the
EDGE
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 03:52 AM
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181. Fear...
they are afraid of everything, crime, people that are different from them, getting left behind, a changing World, etc. etc. They think that the repukes will take care of all those 'problems'. :silly:
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 06:29 AM
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184. Wishful and lazy thinking...The Fear is produced by the NeoCons
and apparatus....the brainwashing unit...the rightwing media...FOX News etc....

Do not let your mind get stolen....don't be part of this 29 or any other 29
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 04:55 PM
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201. That's right...
it was the NeoCons that created the fear in the first place! :-( Going way back the term "law and order" was always a buzz word for the RW. They used the fear of crime and communism to instill fear and then claimed they would take care of those things and protect them from them.
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Yollam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 04:40 AM
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183. At least half of them are not fooled at all.
They are rich enough that Bush's policies benefit them greatly (if not directly on the GOP-Military_Industrial-Complex Gravy Train) and they're corrupt enough that they couldn't care less how much Dumbass wrecks the country.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 06:31 AM
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185. Yes, there is that segment although I would not know the exact percentage
Of the 29%...I thinks its about 2 to 5%...
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 06:37 AM
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186. Do you have a Recipe for MORALS?
Edited on Wed May-31-06 06:44 AM by Hubert Flottz
A body will get mighty thin, if all it gets is "MORALS and FAMILY VALUES" to eat!

edit...I'd say depending on GOP type "MORALS" getting you into those pearly gates, will work out about as well as a trap door on a shithouse or a condom machine in a maternity ward...or a screen door on a submarine...or a rubber crutch in an old folks home...dat is all...zip...beep........
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 11:23 AM
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189. Ya forgot the BS they always feeding us too. All this stuff they feed
us must work cause them hospitals are filled with peeps over 450 lbs...some as heavy as 900 lbs.

How do ya get a 857 pounder through the Pearly Gates designed for 259 lbs? Just who is the Keeper of the Gate anyhows? Mongo?
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 03:49 PM
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199. You swear the 857 pound dude only weighs 98 pounds 'cause
Gawd told you he weighs 98 pounds and if the Prize Boob running the gate that day, is a republican, he'll buy it...no problem...they can't even believe their own eyes and ears!

Everything the neoconsters and their re-PEATERS say or do, is a lie and the fools suck it up and beg for more. If Bush and Cheney get shit canned and throwed out on their lazy asses, no problem, because every pub waiting in the wings is a trained liar just like them two. I can't think of one republican, that doesn't lie every time he's in front of a camera.
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Yollam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 08:19 AM
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188. You don't need to be a multi-millionaire to be greedy.
I hear upper-middle class folks bitch about their taxes all the time, (and they do more cause to bitch than the super rich), but they're not really hurting...
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 11:26 AM
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190. Its the I WANT TO WIN Syndrome....we all have it...we all want the soapbox
to air our stories and dominate the discussion; well, most of us anyways.

Thus the greedy is never satisfied....always wants more to up his/her status..build that mega home with 8576978 bathrooms, never mind the bedrooms, etc.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 11:29 AM
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191. many of them are anti-liberals, long ago brainwashed into hating us
a large part of that is the myth of "political correctness" that emerged in the nineties.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 11:45 AM
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192. Yeah, gatta agree...brainwashed into a stuporesque state of mind
almost....Rash dittoheads, etc.
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smartvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 11:46 AM
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193. 29% are permanently foolish. nt
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 12:29 PM
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197. Nature sez some of us are smart and some are not so smart
Such is Diversity
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beltanefauve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 12:17 PM
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194. "We need to
fight them over there so we don't have to fight them over here.", "They hate us for our freedoms.", "Don't change horses in midstream." I agree with the earlier posts about cognitive dissonance. And there are enough slogans and catch-phrases out there for them to justify their warped sense of reality and worldview.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 12:25 PM
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195. Yup, the 29% gets reinforcements from the PsyOps Unit
as you suggest.

This bodes ill for America that we have over 25% dumb as a doornail and/or brainwashed into a delusional state of mind..
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 03:56 PM
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200. mother, father, sisters brother
Edited on Wed May-31-06 03:56 PM by xxqqqzme
all homophobic, xenophobic and racist. raisin brain makes it OK for them 2 harbor their attitudes when they know society, in general, will not. They are part of the loyal 29%; they will never abandon their righteous leader.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 01:39 AM
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203. Must be rough for you....like talking to a lizard....
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 12:58 PM
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208. Snake cults
If you read around for the signs of cult behaviour, these persons are in a cult.
They can't admit it without losing face in the fraud that is perpetrated on them.
Entranced they are empowered by the reaffirmation of their pious pope.

I'm tellin ya he's a pope reincarnation, and some of his cult have reincarnated too,
its a multi-life thing, and he was a bad pope, the one who started way back in time,
the pogrom against the jews, the same one who set up the pogrom against cannabis
users. Him and his cult have been at this a while, and i remain permanently fooled
that there is no cult, and people are not totally lost to any truth or reality based,
law-based society where mass murder is excused through the chain of command.

We are ruled by a war criminal, no matter what i believe about hsi past lives,
but his pope incarnation, explains a lot about him if you look in the subtle,
he think's he's wearing god's ring and can do no wrong, in his white robe.

All who follow him are cleansed of sin, and follow their pope to the beyond in
the armageddon, on jesus side with god, BFEE and their unzipped bomb bay door.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 04:21 PM
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231. Its the mindset of the JWs...cultish and DEFENSIVE
They fear the loss of their church because to them the church is GOD

For the Bushites, he is GOD
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screembloodymurder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 01:49 PM
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215. It's a genetic deficiency.
They're the Slowskis.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 04:22 PM
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232. Some are smart and some are LOLO...Nature is Diversity
Its only bad when the the LOLOs are in charge
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tjwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 01:51 PM
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216. It's a two tiered answer.
Because there are 2 reasons that there is a very vocal minority that still approve of the thieves that are currently occupying the white house.

The first is the upper 5% of "haves and have mores" which are a sociopathic group of just completely evil human beings that do not care about anything, or anyone other than themselves, and their own bank accounts. These people consist of oil barons, defense contractors, tobacco, booze and firearm suppliers, and other powerful lobbies that call the shots in DC. To them, it's "all about the Benjamin's" as my nephew would say. It's pure self interest, and the ability to rake in mad profits at the expense of everyone else's sacrifices.

As for the other 24%; well, sometimes people just want to be controlled. Bottom line. They don't want to struggle, or worry, or think about anything, and they want big brother to do all of that for them.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 04:23 PM
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233. I have to agree ya got it right.....Cheers and beers to ya
:beer: :toast:
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6000eliot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 01:53 PM
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217. Racism, hatred of the poor, religious fanaticism, etc.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 04:24 PM
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234. add to the above...more cheers and beers for you too.
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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 01:56 PM
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218. Hardness of the heart: Strict, unforgiving, selfish, angry...
Edited on Thu Jun-01-06 02:00 PM by KrazyKat
What are right-wingers attracted to? A strict, all-seeing God, a death-dealing military-industrial complex, an autocratic government, fundamentalist religion and icons in public places, no forgiveness for enemies (real or perceived), no charity to those less fortunate, capital punishment, a distrust of science, no sharing of any wealth, a general suspicion and dislike of "outsiders," no compassion for minorities or gays, fewer personal freedoms.

They're all about limitations, restrictions, repression, incuriosity and self-centeredness. Their hearts have been hardened, and they think that "being tough" is an admirable trait.

This outlook all has to begin with the parenting process.


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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 04:27 PM
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236. They live in a Delusional Realm..short lived and short tempered
They do not plan for the long term unless its for themselves
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 03:13 PM
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221. Cult of Personality
Edited on Thu Jun-01-06 03:14 PM by jsamuel
Some still love Stalin even knowing he killed their family. Because "he couldn't have known, he is too good of a person."
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 04:29 PM
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237. The Bush Cult is alive and well....they too will have one day to eat
CROW SASHIMI without the wassabi.....
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 03:53 PM
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222. Three words: "Fetal Alcohol Syndrome."
Hand me the Jack Daniels, honey.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 04:19 PM
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230. Babs Fault??? I wonder if the urban myth has validity....just look at the
guy and ya wonder....listen to him and ya become convinced, try to reason with him and ya jus know he's fucked.
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 08:28 PM
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238. Yup. But his supporters? Fetal Alcohol Syndrome. Definitely.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 11:30 PM
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243. OMG, ya got it ...mass FAS...a keg O Beer to ya, ribbs too
MASS FAS is the reason for the 29%...most of them anyhows....
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StellaBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 03:55 PM
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223. IMHO, way more than 29% of people, in general, are stupid.
$0.02
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 04:12 PM
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224. Here is a clue: 15% of us are Illiterate, 25 alliterate, 40% don't read
....that is a partial answer

Many are caught up in a cultesque state of mind...unable to decide what is best, unable to learn, unable to analyze....
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 10:42 PM
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239. narrowminded and unwilling to learn anything
closeminded and narrow-minded.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 11:56 PM
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244. I have it on good authority that this condition has GONE AIRBORNE,
EBOLAESQUE,

CONTAGIOUS,

even FASHIONABLE,

and in some cases, induced by Compensation and/or FEAR
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genieroze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 04:16 PM
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227. Head up asses?
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 04:17 PM
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229. Some will descibe it that way...in fact, MANY DO....
Myopic and clueless....
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