PNAC's new expansion plan for 2008: Take over the Democratic Party??

[derby378]

Robert Kagan is the co-founder with William Kristol of the Project for the New American Century and he thinks it will be better for America if the Democrats win the 2008 contest for the Presidency. If that surprises you, you haven't been paying attention. As far as the PNAC crew goes, power isn't about being a Republican or a Democrat, it's about owning both parties. And, fortunately for us, Kagan is spectacularly upfront about this. To understand his mindset it's important to understand that he doesn't divide the world up into left and right, but into interventionist and isolationist. Kagan has representatives in the Democratic Party. They can loosely be described as the members of the Democratic Leadership Council and the writers at The New Republic. These opinion leaders consider America to be the 'indispensable nation' and they consider it vital to world peace and security that America maintain its role in the world.

http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2006/5/28/203122/323

[ClintonTyree]

1. I believe they already have a good start........

since it's against DU policy I won't name names, but I think there are more than a few suspect Democrats within our ranks that must be weeded out. Fast!

[acmavm]

2. I would really love to know if the names that popped into your mind are

the same ones that popped into mine.

edit: especially the 'front runner'

[derby378]

4. I'll give you a hint...

If they're still facing primary challenges, they're still fair game - as long as you can name their Democratic opponents.

[Miss Chybil]

6. What DU policy? And, if what this guy is saying is true, it would

seem only natural to break out with a third party. Don't you think?

[derby378]

9. Oh, no, not the "third party" thing again

Let the PNAC "Democrats" go off and form their own party. The legacy of Thomas Jefferson is ours and ours alone - we share this with nobody.

[Miss Chybil]

25. I'm not advocating a third party, but one might come about

organically as a result of what's happening here. And who said, we give up our party?

[me b zola]

21. I agree with Derby--they can't have OUR party

I feel very strongly that we *must* fight for and win back our party. Get involved at the local level. Grow your own viable Democratic candidates that will represent true Democratic values.

[Jazzgirl]

12. I have a particular name in mind myself....

but I won't violate DU policy and name theonewhoshallremainnamelessshewhoisfrontrunner.

[Deja Q]

3. But with globalization, surely there is no indispensible nation?

[derby378]

8. In practice, that's a little harder to prove

If Bhutan or Cameroon were to vanish tomorrow, absorbed by their neighbors, would you miss them?

I'm not saying that either should disappear, by any means - both have their own people, their own culture, etc. But how many Americans have heard of either nation?

[opihimoimoi]

5. I have seen it here on the DU.....in so many ways....newcomers to Politics

come here for support. Many are running for the first time to high office...

I think its a long ranged Plot to usurp the Dem Party and its ideals of benevolency/altruism...

Perhaps its time to get down to root differences in our lives...

Its either good or its bad....

Pubs are bad...look at the evidence....

Dems are good...results of Dem Leadership abounds....

[Terran1212]

7. Just like they tried to control Clinton's people

I'm sure they want to control whoever's in power (which will probbaly be Dems in 2008).

[SmokingJacket]

10. Well, that's truly bone-chilling. nt

[opihimoimoi]

11. Bonechilling if we let them....the question is: Can they be stopped?

[derby378]

15. Who's going to stop them?

It could be us, you know. Are you willing to help take over the Democratic Party from the ground up?

[opihimoimoi]

23. Of course I am ready...have been for years..am I enough? No, Not by myself

I cannot...but with a large group having a focus of advancement ....perhaps...

All we need is to grow in numbers and maturity and we can create a better life for all of us...

[derby378]

32. I've stepped up and become a Democratic precinct chair

I'm off to my first state convention ever in less than two weeks. How's your primary season shaping up? Is there still time for you to file for PC or anything? Just planting seeds...

[opihimoimoi]

34. I have helped in Dem Campaigns since 1960...local level to the National

Level...

I have seen our system at work...it could be better..for both sides....

[derby378]

35. Thank you for hanging in there

I'm one of the "young Turks." I've got your back.

[JohnyCanuck]

13. kicked & recommended n/t

n/t

[Rex]

14. Ship of fools

I can't believe how stupid these people are. God forgot to install brains in this bunch of freaks. Take over the world, sure right. Like what the fuck would we do with it once that happens? Go ahead and buy the Dems, hasten our demise. They deserve the award for 'Fucking stupidest people on planet Earth'.

[derby378]

16. Kick

[wordpix]

17. has anyone read Jim Marrs' "Rule by Secrecy?" This plot to take over the

Dems as part of one world government is reminiscent of conspiracies presented in this book. After reading many parts of the book, I don't agree with this reviewer's statement (below) that the book is "unconvincing." I think Marrs is VERY convincing in tying together the threads of big banking/economic systems, corporate power, greed, corruption and conspiracy, all together having an influence on candidate choice, governmental policies and reasons for war. The book is somewhat a "morass" but you can pick out various parts to read without wading through the whole thing. There is very good information about some of the esteemed families of US and European society like the Bushes, Harrimans, Rothschilds, Chases, Morgans, etc. Also, there is good info on Hitler and the shenanigans going on behind the scenes of WWI and WWII.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0060931841/002-9558588-7117666?v=glance&n=283155

From Publishers Weekly
In this unconvincing potboiler, Marrs, who charged that conspiracies were behind the JFK assassination (Crossfire) and government cover-ups of the UFO phenomenon (Alien Agenda), now offers a sweeping view of world history through the warped prism of conspiracy theory. The world's richest and most powerful individuals, he opines, wield excessive influence over governments and news media through their control of multinational corporations and organizations he refers to as "secret societies," such as the Council on Foreign Relations, the international Trilateral Commission and the Bilderberg group (which holds annual closed-door conferences around the globe). The aim of these "secret societies," suggests Marrs, is one-world government and centralized social control, and in this respect, he adds, all these groups and their offshoots carry the imprint of older secret brotherhoods, including Freemasonry and the Illuminati. Conspiracy buffs will have a field day wading through this morass, but other readers will remain unpersuaded by a tract that proceeds by way of innuendo, quotation of other conspiracy researchers' extremist opinions and unsubstantiated statement. Marrs squeezes into his procrustean framework the origins of WWI and WWII, Nazis' occult dabblings, the Russian Revolution, the Morgan and Rothschild banking dynasties and the Knights Templar, and he uncritically entertains a host of maverick theories. His conspiracy trail winds up back in Mesopotamia, as he plies territory mined by Zecharia Sitchin, who believes that extraterrestrials founded the earth's earliest civilizations. Ultimately, this mishmash lacks the semblance of plausibility that helped make Alien Agenda a bestseller. (Apr.)
Copyright 2000 Reed Business Information, Inc. --This text refers to the Hardcover edition.

[serryjw]

26. Does anyone doubt any of what Marrs says?

I figured this out years ago.

quote........

As long as they can control the debate, assure a centrist nominee from the Democrats, and keep the level of fear in the public high, their racket is safe, even if the people in the World Trade Center were not.
end quote.......

http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2006/5/28/203122/323

[sarahlee]

18. This was cross posted at Kos

and the discussion in the comments was better.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/5/28/204246/511

For example, Booman added:

The PNAC worldview is a front. It's a mirage. It serves a different purpose that the purpose it purports to support. It's not about Zionism as its critics so often contend, but about money. It's about shaping the mind of the public, and that is where the Straussian stuff comes into play.

The DLC (as it pertains to foreign policy) is just another face or mask of the same phenenomon.

So, you're right to say that the DLC worldview is not exactly aligned with the neo-conservative one. But the PNAC is almost as happy to use the DLC's mask as their own.

They would rather the DLC control the Democratic Party than the Bushies destroy the brand of both PNAC and the DLC.

[evermind]

19. Why not? The Reagan era right took over the British left

... according to some, uh, theorists: http://copy_bilderberg.tripod.com/bap.htm#Tom

[WiseButAngrySara]

20. KNR. Interesting post! ....n/t

[me b zola]

22. I have suspected this

Almost a year ago I wrote a post similar to what Booman is saying. I, of course, was attacked by one of the dlc operatives who at the time posted heavily in the GD;Politics forum.

The second sentence in the following excerpt from Booman's article is roughly the point that I was trying to make if a certain Dem won the presidency in '08:

~snip~ "How can you explain that a man that was Deputy for Policy under Bush-pere-pardoned Elliott Abrams, Principal Speechwriter for Secretary George Schultz and foreign policy advisor to Jack Kemp would write a column advocating the Republicans be swept out of the White House? The answer is that he fears the Democrats will move so far to the left if they do not elect a DLC Democrat in 2008 that it will endanger the consensus within this country that allows us maintain bases all throughout Asia and an enormous military budget."



We must take back our party. We must.

[tlsmith1963]

24. I'll Fight the Democrats, Too

I don't want the neocons in my party. I want them all in jail where they belong. Let's fight this. Does anyone else want to keep the neocons out of our party? Especially Lieberman, the worst neocon Democrat of them all.

Tammy

[BrklynLiberal]

27. kicked and recommended

[LincolnMcGrath]

28. D L C and the writers at The New Republic-an

I'm shocked...Shocked I tells ya!

[xxqqqzme]

29. you need to look around here:

http://www.dlc.org/

and from the dlc's home page:
'...Reclaiming the Democratic Agenda
By Jackson Diehl, The Washington Post

Though you'd never know it from surfing the Internet, there exists in the Democratic Party a substantial body of politicians and policymakers who believe the U.S. mission in Iraq must be sustained until it succeeds; who want to intensify American attempts to spread democracy in the greater Middle East; and who think that the Army needs to be expanded to fight a long war against Islamic extremism. More...'

These are the Democratic neo-cons who established the 'Progressive Policy Institute' http://www.ppionline.org/ - take a look around there & you will discover what the dlc means by 'progressive' - it means something entirely different 2 me.

Imperialism w/ softer language.

[Oak2004]

30. I had a front-row seat for the takeover of the R's, and YES

What is happening to the Democrats is very much what I remember happening to the Republican Party.

DO NOT trust the DLC. Do not. They have all the suspicious connections to the same people who turned the Republican Party into what it is today.

This is real.

[mrdmk]

31. They are making the rounds on the theory

This is from the Los Angeles Times (unfortunately I had to read this article for a Public Speaking Class that I am taking, it was not easy!)

<snip>
DON'T LOOK now, but neoconservatism is making a comeback — and not among the Republicans who have made it famous but in the Democratic Party.

A host of pundits and young national security experts associated with the party are calling for a return to the Cold War precepts of President Truman to wage a war against terror that New Republic Editor Peter Beinart, in the title of his provocative new book, calls "The Good Fight."

The fledgling neocons of the left are based at places such as the Progressive Policy Institute, whose president, Will Marshall, has just released a volume of doctrine called "With All Our Might: A Progressive Strategy for Defeating Jihadism and Defending Liberty." Beinart's book is subtitled "Why Liberals — and Only Liberals — Can Win the War on Terror and Make America Great Again." Their political champions include Connecticut Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman and such likely presidential candidates as former Virginia Gov. Mark Warner and Iowa Gov. Tom Vilsack, who is chairman of the Democratic Leadership Council.

This new crop of liberal hawks calls for expanding the existing war against terrorism, beefing up the military and promoting democracy around the globe while avoiding the anti-civil liberties excesses of the Bush administration. They support a U.S. government that would seek multilateral consensus before acting abroad, but one that is not scared to use force when necessary.
<end of snip>

link
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-op-heilbrunn28may28,0,6411415.story?coll=la-news-comment-opinions

by Jacob Heilbrunn
(these are the credits that the LAT does not give you)
New Republic Senior Editor
Belongs to the Hoover Institution

[unkachuck]

33. this has got to be....

....one of the most pressing issues the left faces....

"The answer is that he fears the Democrats will move so far to the left if they do not elect a DLC Democrat in 2008 that it will endanger the consensus within this country that allows us maintain bases all throughout Asia and an enormous military budget."

....we must control or remove from power the perpetual-war junta that resides in both parties or we will never ever have the money for a left-agenda when we come to power....we will be discredited....

[Faryn Balyncd]

36. PNAC - - equal opportunity....

empire builders.