PNAC Founder Kagan Endorses Dems in 08

[Leopolds Ghost]

Robert Kagan, PNAC Co-Founder and holder of a fellowship at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace (no joke!) is moving to endorse centrist Democrats in 2008 as better capable of advancing the neocon agenda, according to a Kos-affiliated weblog:

http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2006/5/28/203122/323

This is based on an article in the Post, but substantial portions are quoted in the thread at this link.

Basically, much like their Trotskyist New Left ancestors broke away from the state capitalism of the 1940s and 1950s that was the dominant ideology on both sides during the Cold War, the neocons are trying to redefine the power relationship by creating an intellectual class that they can control, thereby giving them some influence over the direction of society and especially foreign policy.

The neocons are positioning themselves as the new "Intellectual Class" to succeed the current "neoliberal Eonomic" ruling class (which is populated by both conservaitves and affluent liberals) in manipulating the policies of the war machine, which is the reason the doctrine of neoconservatism is so controversial among neoliberal members of the Overclass.

To do so, it is important to them to maintain influence over the Democrats by setting up the internal battle as between neoliberals (affluent mostly white "reformists", many of whom are moving to become leading voices of the "netroots") and neoconservatives within the Democratic Party (DLC, et al.) They can only do this if Dems win something in 06/08.

In short, Kagan's theory is similar to the logic of The Architect in "The Matrix" -- the semblance of victory for an opposition, the semblance of choce, must be maintained, and the definition of "left" and "right" must continue to be reshaped to their advantage, with neoliberalism (as practiced by both Reagan and Clinton)
and neoconservatism (Nixon and Bush) taking the place of earlier Industrial-age concepts centered around the nation-state.

[rosesaylavee]

1. Would this be at all related to Murdoch's uncharacteristic

monetary endorsement of Hilary Clinton? I don't trust any of these guys... especially when they want to be our 'friends'.

[Patchuli]

2. This is all starting to feel like

they're literally trying to push Hillary/DLC down our throats. I'm sorry, but that's only going to make me

:puke:

[Just Me]

3. Awwww! I see! They figure themselves "superiorists" who can control,...

,... and manipulate centrists. They are a step ABOVE mere "elitists" or "intellectuals".

What a buncha' narcisstic pricks! Hope someone rips them a new one!

YUCK!!! They are worse than Nazis,...crazy fucks!!!

Hope this cultist group gets grounded soon. They certainly deserve it!!! Geez!!!

Just thought I'd add a "FUCK YOU" to these weirdos/crazies messing with the lives of not only their own people, but the world's people. ASSWIPES!!!!

[Selatius]

4. It sounds like they are moving into the Democratic Party

I hope the Party does not welcome them.

[Critters2]

8. I fear the DLC will eom

[Last Stand]

9. Is Hillary ready?

Never really did say the Iraq War was so bad, did she?

[Shipwack]

11. "Welcome them"? That depends...

Imagine if you will, a meeting of the DLC in their fortified bunker. A thunderous knock is heard on the front gate. When they look outside, all they see is a giant wooden horse.

"Don't let it in!" one brave soul warns. "I saw this movie before, and it's a trick to destroy us all!"

Another takes a closer look. "Hey guys..." she cries, "That horse is made out of thousand dollar bills!"

"Bring it in!" someone roars. "We can put that money to good use on the day we -really- need to fight something. Put it with the powder we're keeping dry..."

[renate]

19. nicely written!!

:applause:

[Critters2]

24. Brilliant!!

:woohoo: :applause:

[myrna minx]

30. Perfect. Brilliant parable.

:applause:

[Douglas Carpenter]

21. Neocons are already in a strong position in the Democratic Party

From the LA Times - link:

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-op-heilbrunn28may28,0,6411415.story?coll=la-home-commentary

" Neocons in the Democratic Party

Like Kennedy and Truman, Democratic neocons want to beef up the military and won't run from a fight.

By Jacob Heilbrunn, Jacob Heilbrunn, a former Times editorial writer, is writing a book on neoconservatism.
May 28, 2006

DON'T LOOK now, but neoconservatism is making a comeback — and not among the Republicans who have made it famous but in the Democratic Party.

A host of pundits and young national security experts associated with the party are calling for a return to the Cold War precepts of President Truman to wage a war against terror that New Republic Editor Peter Beinart, in the title of his provocative new book, calls "The Good Fight."

The fledgling neocons of the left are based at places such as the Progressive Policy Institute, whose president, Will Marshall, has just released a volume of doctrine called "With All Our Might: A Progressive Strategy for Defeating Jihadism and Defending Liberty." Beinart's book is subtitled "Why Liberals — and Only Liberals — Can Win the War on Terror and Make America Great Again." Their political champions include Connecticut Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman and such likely presidential candidates as former Virginia Gov. Mark Warner and Iowa Gov. Tom Vilsack, who is chairman of the Democratic Leadership "

to read full article - link:

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-op-heilbrunn28may28,0,6411415.story?coll=la-home-commentary

[Kansas Wyatt]

5. Perhaps they know that the House of Republican cards

Is about to come crashing down, and they will not have anymore power and control. So, with them being nothing more than parasites, they are trying to invade another host, in hopes of continuing their power claim.

[Just Me]

7. Crazy, cultist parasites! That describes them perfectly. eom

[tlsmith1963]

6. Neocons, Go Away!

Stay out of my party, assholes!:mad:

Tammy

[tocqueville]

10. PNAC has morphed into the “Committee for a Strong Europe.”

Their site is dead since december last year

see http://www.tpmcafe.com/story/2005/10/2/13718/6784

THE COMMITTEE FOR A STRONG EUROPE


We, Europeans and Americans committed to the defense and promotion of freedom in a dangerous world, have come together to create The Committee for a Strong Europe. Our belief is that a Europe whose foreign policy is strategically sound and morally grounded, and whose nations are strong economically and militarily, can be a responsible and important actor on the world stage. The United States has a deep and abiding interest in a strong, capable, and independent Europe able to wield significant influence around the globe. Our conviction is that a strong Europe can act effectively in concert with the United States to deal with the threats we face, and to take advantage of the opportunities we share to expand freedom around the globe and to shape a world in which liberal and democratic principles flourish.

Guiding Principles of The Committee For A Strong Europe

- We believe that the desire for freedom is universal--unbounded by culture, religion or geography.

- We believe that a strong partnership between the United States and Europe is crucial to the defense and promotion of freedom for all nations.

- We believe both Europe and the United States must have strong and free economies that encourage entrepreneurship and individual initiative and responsibility.

- We believe both the United States and Europe should invest adequately in their armed forces so as to have strong militaries capable of serving in a wide variety of missions around the world.

- We believe that all free nations must fight terrorism and adopt policies that challenge states that harbor or support terrorists.

- We believe that all free nations have an obligation to aid those living in tyranny, and that regimes that subjugate their own people at home will not be reliable friends and allies.

http://libe-usa.blogs.com/CSE.html

google “Committee for a Strong Europe” and you'll find plenty of information, among them several DU links

[shance]

12. The two parties are just a front now. Citizens need to come togeth

and ignore political parties and realize that the two party system is used solely to divide and weaken us and our power as citizens.

[LiberalUprising]

15. Agreed

Kick

[Selatius]

16. Unfortunately, you're right

If the last 50 years of corruption are any indication, the next 50 years of corruption could be just as bad.

[Odin2005]

13. I smell a plot.

[SoCalDem]

14. Well of COURSE they want Dems to take over now..

Their toadies have cleaned out the bank account, wrecked everything in sight, created enemies as far as the eye can see..THEY don't clean up their own messes.. Democrats will swoop in and start cleaning up the mess..and handing out liberal doses of "medicine", and after a time..when things are turning around, these same repubes will be on tv..red-faced, veins-a-poppin, about how THEY gave everyone ponies & cotton candy, and the mean ole dems want to raise taxes :puke:

[SammyWinstonJack]

28. Just as soon as the next Dem President builds up a healthy surplus

and cleans up the mess left by **, it will be time to install another borrow and spend republiCON.

[savemefromdumbya]

17. they are like termites!

[FrenchieCat]

18. Switch and bait and then switch back after they have selected

our Democratic Nominee.

I ain't falling for this shit.....that's for shor'! :eyes:

[leesa]

20. PNAC knows they are a dirty word now. Either they are saying they are

saying the DLC embraces them or they are trying to discourage people from voting Dem by thinking Dems embrace them.

[OneBlueSky]

22. PNAC doesn't care which party is in power . . .

since their plan is to control BOTH parties . . .

and it's up to us -- on the left -- to stop them . . .

[Oak2004]

25. Bingo

I watched them reshape the Republican Party out from under me by using the far right, and now I see them doing the same thing, using the "centrists" of the Democratic Party. Yes, many of us fought them from within the Party, but they had so much money. They waved that money in the faces of the Republicans, who had been shut out of power for years, and too many Republicans saw the money, wanted the power, and bit the bait. Which, of course, led to the end of the Republican Party as a viable, democratic-small-d, institution.

And yes, like a virus that has destroyed its host, they need a new one and are trying to infect the Democratic Party via the DLC. Remember, the neocons started out as a faction within the Democratic Party with a few ex-Trotskyites mixed in (as more than a few of us who battled them and their dupes from within the Republican Party would point out). They moved to the Republican Party when the Democratic Party activists of the day would give them no foothold and the Republican Party was weak, hungry for a return to power, and an easy target.

The Democrats are now hungry for a return to power, but don't take the bait.Give them no foothold again. Drive them out into the political wilderness where all neofascist imperialists belong.

That means at times you're going to have to resist the urge to support a candidate just because the candidate is a Democrat. I know about that, unfortunately. Believe me, I rue every one of them that came to power with my Republican vote. I had made a point of not voting for the worst of them, but even the "better" ones go along with the plans of the worst of them with scarcely a wimper of objection.

The primary is where you need to defend your party, because if you don't win there, you'll find yourself with no one to support in the general election. The most important thing is to make sure that each and every one of the neoDems face a primary every election cycle, even if all you can do is run a token opposition, and make sure the good guys are well funded in the primaries.

The "challenge everyone in the primary, no matter how futile it seemed to be" strategy was, by the way, one tactic the neofascists used to grab control of the Republican Party. It drained the mainstream Republicans, who eventually either were exhausted enough to leave politics, or politically weakened enough to defeat, or who caved in and went along with the neofacist agenda. It infuriated me when good guys, like my moderate, pro-choice, much-loved state senator (when I lived in NY), who would win every election cycle by a landslide, was nonetheless challenged time and time again in the primaries by some well-funded "nut", who would come out of nowhere, screaming about abortion or gays or whatever else was the wedge issue of the day. Unfortunately the nuts now run my old party.

[Jacobin]

29. Excellent post

:thumbsup:

I'm afraid its already happened to the democratic party in large measure.

[applegrove]

23. Cockroaches!!

[mmonk]

26. Yes, they are parasitic.

Where ever they can find a host for power.

[slybacon9]

27. Hillary is so in on this shit.