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dogday (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 12:22 PM Original message |
Noam Chomsky: Why it's over for America |
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Roland99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 12:28 PM Response to Original message |
1. The only way to fix it is for ALL politicians to kick their egos aside AND |
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CanSocDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 12:32 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Give up my TV and car.....?? |
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Roland99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 12:46 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. May require more than just a few material possessions. |
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Initech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 12:51 PM Response to Reply #1 |
12. After Abramoff, I think we need to give all lobbyists the heave-ho. |
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ItsTheMediaStupid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-31-06 08:59 AM Response to Reply #12 |
82. Public funding of all political campaigns |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 03:22 PM Response to Reply #1 |
40. I just as well have Bush and his ilk "'endure great sacrifice..." |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 03:31 PM Response to Reply #40 |
46. I like the way you think... |
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Roland99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 03:50 PM Response to Reply #40 |
59. Trouble is (and this is pretty much bi-partisan knowledge) is that... |
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Imperialism Inc. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 12:28 PM Response to Original message |
2. Dupe... |
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dogday (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 12:35 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. Sorry Did a search for GD |
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wicket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 12:50 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. it's not a dupe if it's in a different forum |
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dogday (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 12:53 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Thank you, I always do a search |
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RandomKoolzip (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 12:28 PM Response to Original message |
3. America is not a failed state. |
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thereismore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 12:47 PM Response to Reply #3 |
10. not yet. nt |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 01:14 PM Response to Reply #3 |
15. Read the book |
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(1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 12:33 PM Response to Original message |
5. Like the tow-truck that runs out of gas- we will need others |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 12:34 PM Response to Original message |
6. Going...Going...Gone. Great article. Chomsky nails it. |
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shance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 12:38 PM Response to Original message |
8. Chomsky is part of the problem. He doesn't see what he doesn't |
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mrfrapp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 01:33 PM Response to Reply #8 |
17. Not Helpful |
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shance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 01:45 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. Are you saying Chomsky can only handle the "safe" topics. |
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mrfrapp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 01:55 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. Classist? |
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maxsolomon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 02:00 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. you are predjudiced against the conspiracy theorist class |
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shance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 03:15 PM Response to Reply #20 |
34. I guess you know it all and theres not a conspiracy. |
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maxsolomon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 04:49 PM Response to Reply #34 |
62. so young so angry. |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 03:32 PM Response to Reply #18 |
50. "safe topics"? |
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lectrobyte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 02:26 PM Response to Reply #8 |
23. Remember proverbs for paranoids: Once they have you asking the |
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Jazz2006 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 02:48 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. delete - wrong spot. |
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michael_1166 (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 03:47 PM Response to Reply #24 |
57. Neither you nor Chomsky make these issues imaginary |
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Jazz2006 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 03:54 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. There's a whole forum full of 9/11 stuff... |
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michael_1166 (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-31-06 06:57 AM Response to Reply #60 |
81. I know about the 9/11 forum. |
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Jazz2006 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-31-06 10:35 PM Response to Reply #81 |
97. Actually, I didn't suggest the equation.... |
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HEyHEY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 03:07 PM Response to Reply #8 |
29. I agree, he's overrated. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 03:10 PM Response to Reply #8 |
31. Remember: Chomsky is a self described Marxist |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 03:40 PM Response to Reply #31 |
55. Actually, he's a self-described Anarchist. |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 03:42 PM Response to Reply #31 |
56. No, he isn't. Where'd you hear that? nt |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 04:49 PM Response to Reply #56 |
63. Thought he said it in "Manufacturing Consent" |
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Terran1212 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 09:32 PM Response to Reply #31 |
73. He denounces Marxism actually |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-31-06 04:17 AM Response to Reply #31 |
77. He's a libertarian socialist or an anarcho-syndicalist to be exact |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-31-06 02:08 PM Response to Reply #31 |
93. Wrong on both points |
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Jazz2006 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 03:17 PM Response to Reply #8 |
36. No, he's not "part of the problem" for not going into conspiracy |
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Terran1212 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 09:31 PM Response to Reply #8 |
71. Because he doesn't believe in blatant conspiracy theory? |
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Anarcho-Socialist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-31-06 06:47 AM Response to Reply #8 |
80. "Glaring facts"? |
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Taxloss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-31-06 09:05 AM Response to Reply #8 |
83. Wow. |
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tomp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-31-06 09:35 AM Response to Reply #83 |
85. i'm a mihop'er and i'm not dismissing anyone out of hand. |
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Taxloss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-31-06 09:44 AM Response to Reply #85 |
87. He's going with what is overwhelmingly the most likely version of events. |
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WiseButAngrySara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 01:12 PM Response to Original message |
14. Sadly, I tend to agree with Chomsky. "Failed states" w/a "democratic |
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Fiendish Thingy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 01:16 PM Response to Original message |
16. sadly kicked and rec'd n/t |
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Kurovski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 02:13 PM Response to Original message |
21. K&r(nt) |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 02:19 PM Response to Original message |
22. "...the population, not surprisingly, does not agree." I grow impatient |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 02:57 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. I largely agree with you |
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Tom Joad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 03:01 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. And we'd still be at war. |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 03:48 PM Response to Reply #27 |
58. Exactly - that's the kind of mentality I'm talking about |
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Tom Joad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 02:59 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. Agree with Chomsky or not, his analysis would not change |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 04:34 PM Response to Reply #26 |
61. I would be the last person to say that Dems in office is a panacea. But |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-31-06 03:04 AM Response to Reply #61 |
76. Diebold is rather recent; Chomsky's analysis is rather long-term |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 03:29 PM Response to Reply #22 |
43. A word about investigations (i.e., JFK, 9/11, Plame, Wellstone, etc.): |
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HEyHEY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 03:02 PM Response to Original message |
28. "I'm Noam Chomsky and I just figured this out." |
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stepnw1f (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 03:13 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. Chomsky is a Phoney? |
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lectrobyte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 03:16 PM Response to Reply #28 |
35. Phony? There's a lot of words one might use to describe Chomsky, |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 03:20 PM Response to Reply #28 |
39. Phony critics of genuine intellectuals bug me.... |
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HEyHEY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 06:10 PM Response to Reply #39 |
64. If you read Chomsky and don't think to yourself - |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 07:10 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. (shrug) You're smarter than I then.... congrats! |
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nolabels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-31-06 10:16 AM Response to Reply #66 |
89. Chomsky has a a lot of good takes and different ways of looking at things |
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Terran1212 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 09:31 PM Response to Reply #64 |
72. A lot of what he says people "dont grasp for themselves" |
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HEyHEY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-31-06 12:51 AM Response to Reply #72 |
74. I know, it's a pain in the ass, I have to deal with so many dopes |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-31-06 09:44 AM Response to Reply #74 |
88. poor fellow |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-31-06 09:43 AM Response to Reply #64 |
86. It is not very obvious to many that the MSM=propaganda, nor that |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 03:31 PM Response to Reply #28 |
48. I love your Polar Bear! However, Chomsky is beyond all else, |
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CanuckAmok (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 08:55 PM Response to Reply #28 |
68. "I'm Noam Chomsky and I suppose the Beatles might have been okay |
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ArbustoBuster (956 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 03:07 PM Response to Original message |
30. When an elderly academic tells you something is possible... |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-31-06 04:25 AM Response to Reply #30 |
78. I fail to see ANY fight so far ... only *sound and fury* |
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stepnw1f (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 03:15 PM Response to Original message |
33. Meme to Self: Noam Chomsky Brings Out Cockroaches |
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GirlinContempt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 03:17 PM Response to Reply #33 |
38. Wow! I finally get to see one in it's natural habitat! |
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stepnw1f (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 03:28 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. Ahhh... You Do Look Comfortable in Your Habitat... |
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GirlinContempt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 03:30 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. Well |
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stepnw1f (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 03:31 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. Well Nothing |
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GirlinContempt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 03:32 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. Uh huh |
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stepnw1f (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 03:35 PM Original message |
Oh...Looook... It's on it's back |
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parasim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 03:36 PM Response to Reply #45 |
52. All freepers may be cockroaches... |
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GirlinContempt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 03:39 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. True enough |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 03:24 PM Response to Reply #33 |
41. A lot of DUers, it appears, are all too ready to throw in the towel... |
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stepnw1f (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 03:30 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. Who Is Throwing in the Towel? |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 03:35 PM Response to Reply #44 |
51. lol - I meant to be agreeing with you, and expanding a bit.... |
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stepnw1f (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 03:38 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. Oh No, No...I Understood |
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HEyHEY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 06:21 PM Response to Reply #33 |
65. He also brings out sheep |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 03:17 PM Response to Original message |
37. Not over; a transition period from republic to empire. |
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Miss Chybil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 08:00 PM Response to Original message |
67. The fat lady hasn't sung, yet. |
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upi402 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 08:59 PM Response to Original message |
69. Why isn't Noam in a cabinet position? |
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Terran1212 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 09:30 PM Response to Original message |
70. I have the whole book and just finished it today -- Chomsky Brilliant |
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tigereye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-31-06 01:23 PM Response to Reply #70 |
91. well one of the problems here seems to be that we don't |
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upi402 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-31-06 09:53 PM Response to Reply #91 |
96. never fails to make me go, 'hmmm' |
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4freethinking (148 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-31-06 02:42 AM Response to Original message |
75. The way to fix it |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-31-06 04:39 AM Response to Reply #75 |
79. Now that Alito has been confirmed, it's "The Unitary Executive" all |
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4freethinking (148 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-31-06 07:40 PM Response to Reply #79 |
95. I am at an end |
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lectrobyte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-31-06 09:20 AM Response to Reply #75 |
84. I don't know about that. If the fed won't stand up to big business, what |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-31-06 01:24 PM Response to Reply #84 |
92. Little if any. Come and live in Mississippi and see the pork in the bills |
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4freethinking (148 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-31-06 04:52 PM Response to Reply #84 |
94. The question is |
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skypilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-31-06 10:32 AM Response to Original message |
90. kick |
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