Did I hear this right?

[deFaultLine]

I was watching the O'Rielly show earlier and Bill had Wes Clark on with an interview concerning the Haditha incident. Bill seemed to state that American troops had done things like this before and mentioned the Malmadie Massacre in which he seemed to think that Americans had shot German SS prisoners that had surrendered to them.

Clark seemed to be a bit stunned by this and could not really respond since it was Americans being gunned down at this infamous incident during the Battle of The Bulge.

Did anyone else see this?

If I heard this right, Bill seems to have a really weak grasp of the events and is totally confused about not only the morals involved; but the actual facts of the events as they have been fairly well documented.:banghead:

[salinen]

1. Ah

you call him Bill, that's so cute. Nobody around hear calls him Bill. O'liely, O'really, or just good old m'f'er, are common.

[NMDemDist2]

2. ROFL

:popcorn:

[Malikshah]

3. Others spring to mind a la KO.... The Big Giant Head, Falafel Boy

:)

[liberalnurse]

13. Is that the same "Bill" who

works up a lather with a loofah? :scared:

[987654321]

4. Bill O'Rielly didn't have his facts correct?

First of all, O'Rielly is well known for not having his facts straight. He's a hack who has no idea of what the truth is, has no understanding of integrity, and he only really cares about Bill O'Rielly.

Secondly, and I mean no disrespect in saying this, but why in the hell would anyone purposely watch Bill O'Rielly?

[deFaultLine]

12. Being open-minded

IMO, part of being open minded is being willing to actually listen to what other points of view might have to say on any given subject.

I was also wondering how Clark would handle himself going into the Lions Den. He handled himself very well, although he seemed a bit disturbed by Bill's wackiness.

I'm well aware of Fox "news" where they obviously stump for less regulation for guys like Murdoch. It's more like a Republican infomercial than a new channel.

I also feel NO NEED to call anyone names, I know Bill fabricates things and gets extremely mixed up about events. But to have something like this mixed up as a justification for Haditha is going way over the bounds of what America should stand for.

[Skittles]

14. listening to different points of view is OK

listening to a bush whore perverted piece of SHIT like O'Reilly is NOT

[Redneck Socialist]

18. LOL

:rofl: Thanks! :toast:

[blonndee]

23. "open-minded" means listening to established liars' lies?

Um, okay...

If you "know" "Bill" makes shit up and "fabricates" (i.e. LIES) then why not call him a goddamned liar, which he is?

[Davis_X_Machina]

5. Side note...

....Tailgunner Joe McCarthy made his political bones militating for reduced sentences and other forms of clemecy for the Germans convicted of participation in the Malmedy massacre.

[yardwork]

6. You summarize O'Lielly well - and all of Faux News

"Bill seems to have a really weak grasp of the events and is totally confused about not only the morals involved; but the actual facts of the events..."

[tocqueville]

7. the Malmedy massacre was Americans killed by Nazis !!!!

On December 17, 1944, near the hamlet of Baugnez on the height half-way between the town of Malmedy and Ligneuville in Belgium, elements of Waffen-SS Kampfgruppe Peiper, named after its leader SS-Standartenführer Joachim Peiper, encountered the American 285th Field Artillery Observation Battalion. After a brief battle, the Americans surrendered. About 150 of the prisoners of war were disarmed and sent to stand in a field near the crossroads. Peiper and his leading armoured units then continued their advance.

A tank pulled up, and a truck shortly thereafter. A single SS soldier pulled out a pistol and shot a medical officer standing in the front row, and then shot the man standing next to the medical officer. Other soldiers joined in with machine guns. It is not known why this happened; there is no record of an order by an SS officer.

However, some survivors testified that they had heard the order given to kill all the prisoners: "Macht alle kaputt.". <1>

While the shooting of POWs was common on the Eastern front, such incidents were rarer on the Western front.

Aftermath

The memorial of the Malmedy massacre at BaugnezMany prisoners escaped into the nearby woods. Some 72-84 of the prisoners were killed, their bodies left on the field where they fell. An American patrol discovered the massacre that night. News of it spread quickly among Allied troops. Afterwards, the order went out: SS and Fallschirmjäger were to be shot on sight.

Among the soldiers who escaped was actor Charles Durning.

American forces recaptured the site where the killings took place on January 13, 1945. The bodies were recovered on January 14 - January 15, 1945. The memorial at Baugnez bears the names of the murdered soldiers.

The SS soldiers of Kampfgruppe Peiper were captured, and in May 1946 were put on trial for the killings, in the controversial Malmedy massacre trial. This was held in May–July 1946 in Dachau. The highest-ranking defendant was general Sepp Dietrich. It attracted great attention because of the nature of the crime and the later disputes about the conduct of the trial, and is repeatedly brought up by the German extreme right-wing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malmedy_massacre

[slor]

22. I hate how they try to tone it down...

these were fanatical SS soldiers, and Peiper was barbaric on the Eastern front and he brought that same barbarity to the West. Kampfgruppe Peiper was the spearhead of the attack, and needed to capture key roads and bridges, but they also needed to capture fuel, to keep the tanks running. They were not going to waste time or resources ferrying prisoners around. I think it is certain that there was a order to take no prisoners.

[Jack from Charlotte]

38. One last item on Peiper. He was murdered in his home in 1976...

when it was firebombed. He lived in France because everywhere he went in Germany he was shunned.

Congrats to the patriots that burned this scumbag to death.

[Arkham House]

8. Worthless piece of mother-fucking shit...!!!

Sorry if that seems like an extreme heading...but I have to vent for a second...*&^%$#$%&^%&*&^%$#$^^&****&&&%$#@^&*%#^*& piece of SHIT!!!... *Sigh*. Sorry--but one of my Dad's best friends was killed in the Malmedy massacre, and Dad never forgot it, or him, and told me about his friend a lot...and Jesus, to see this worthless piece of SHIT O'Reilly say that...what the hell is a decent, professional member of the Reality-Based Community like Clark doing giving Fox "News" legitimacy, anyway...?

[Texas_Kat]

11. Fighting them in the trenches.....

You should see the blustering, red-faced sputtering BO goes through every time Clark is on.

It's a thing of beauty.

[Botany]

9. Luffa Boy does it again .... trying to garble the truth.

Bill knows the truth ... he is not that dumb ..... he is trying to muddy the waters
and keep his Fox viewers from knowing the truth.

Malmedy Massacre PIX



Dead American Troops

1946 May - July



trial for war crimes



SS on trial for Malmedy

[Texas_Kat]

10. Yes, it's the second time BO has trashed American soldiers from WWII

about this same incident.

Anyone with a cursory understanding of history would know that it was German soldiers who shot Americans. The circumstances about whether it was a massacre or not at Malmedy (in Belgium) may be a bit unclear (contrary to the movie "Battle of the Bulge", but there is no dispute that Germans had the guns and the Americans did not.

I was tickled to see General Wes sit forward in the chair during the interview and demand BO show him FACTs that would indicate Americans were the shooters.


BTW, Charles Durning is a survivor of Malmedy.

http://www.historynet.com/wwii/blmassacreatmalmedy/

[PublicWrath]

15. He may have been thinking of US troops executing SS officers

and German guards just after liberating Dachau.

[deFaultLine]

19. Maybe

I can't imagine anyone screwing this up unless they had a serious mental disorder.

The justification for this is reprehensable, there is one thing shooting an SS officer and quite another shooting some kid.

Ugh...someone tell me why we are there and what exactly is the reason?x(

[PublicWrath]

20. He does have a serious mental disorder. And the difference between

executing SS officers standing amidst a death factory and shooting innocent civilians is vast indeed. But it's the sort of equation o'reilly would try to make.

[blonndee]

24. So weird, I was just reading about this tonight. n/t

[blonndee]

40. There you are PublicWrath! I so wish

we could have continued our discussion the other night. I just "re-found" this link after that thread was delted about war crimes.

Do you know anything about this event that you could share with me? If so, please PM me. I'll be eternally grateful.

[billybob537]

16. B O good call

going boldly forward with no actual facts, just a big attitude.

[slor]

17. That is an old clip...

but it was amazing hearing him accuse Americans of the Malmedy Massacre. Just more proof of his hatred of America.

[Texas_Kat]

21. No, not an old clip

Live tonight.

[slor]

25. Then it is the second time he has made...

that same idiotic remark to Wes Clark. Crooks & Liars even had the clip a while back. I was so pissed, that I emailed it to several Veteran organizations, and even Media Matters. My guess when ever there is an atrocity, he whips out the clip.

[deFaultLine]

26. Rerun?

I'm not always up to speed on what's shakin at Fox.

I can not imagine something this screwed up being re-aired.

I thought it was live today.

Any chance Franken will take some shots at this?

[slor]

28. That is my guess...

because I saw him say that to Wes before. I refuse to believe it could have happened twice.

[Texas_Kat]

32. Twice.... yes... he's said it twice

NOT A DAMN RE-RUN, BO really IS that stupid

The first time was October of last year..... Though you may not have seen it firsthand, it was hilarious (sorry don't have a video link) Clarks doubletake when BO said the 82nd Airborne committed the Malmedy Massacre was priceless. I have to think (since they were having a heated exchanged about Abu Grahib at the time) it would have been distracting for Clark to say "Bill, you're an idiot". From feedback among WWII vets, though... a lot of them decided BO was an idiot that very night.

"General Wesley K. Clark and Bill O'Reilly - The O'Reilly Factor" transcript
Fox News | October 3, 2005

snip.....

GEN. WESLEY CLARK: Now wait a minute Bill. The other side of it is, what is happening in Iraq? You know it wasn't just Abu Ghraib, you've got a Captain now, in the 82nd Airborne who says that this kind of torture and beating up people and so forth was condoned by his unit. The Chain of Command is protecting it. He's going out to Human Rights Watch.

Bill O'Reilly: But General, you know what war's about

GEN. WESLEY CLARK: No I don't know what that's about.

Bill O'Reilly: You're always going to have that stuff

GEN. WESLEY CLARK: No I don't know what it's about, Bill. Because in the United State Army that I served in proudly for 34 years we did not beat up and torture prisoners.

Bill O'Reilly: General, with all due respect

GEN. WESLEY CLARK: Now just a second Bill!

Bill O'Reilly: There were atrocities in Vietnam

GEN. WESLEY CLARK: Yes, they were found and they were and they were punished.

Bill O'Reilly: There were atrocities in Vietnam. There were atrocities in World War II

GEN. WESLEY CLARK: They were found and they were punished.

Bill O'Reilly: In World War I, in the Civil War and in the Revolutionary War

GEN. WESLEY CLARK: They weren't condoned by the Chain of Command
Bill O'Reilly: Yes, they were

GEN. WESLEY CLARK: No, they weren't

Bill O'Reilly: Lt. Calley and Medina in Vietnam

GEN. WESLEY CLARK: They were not condoned by the Chain of Command. Those guys were court-martialed.

Bill O'Reilly: Well you don't, listen with all due respect

GEN. WESLEY CLARK: Listen, let me explain something. You go all the way up the Chain of Command

Bill O'Reilly: General, you need to look at the Malmedy Massacre in World War II and the 82nd Airborne

GEN. WESLEY CLARK: Bill, this isn't World War II. I'm looking at a volunteer Army. We are fighting a War Against Terrorists

Bill O'Reilly: I'm telling you

GEN. WESLEY CLARK: and if you are going to win you have to you've got to have a higher standard.

Bill O'Reilly: You want those pictures out?

GEN. WESLEY CLARK: I want our Army to live up to American values

Bill O'Reilly: So everybody does, you want those pictures out?

GEN. WESLEY CLARK: We don't torture people. So I think we need a complete investigation to see where this goes, all the way up to the top level of the Chain of Command.

Bill O'Reilly: Fine.

GEN. WESLEY CLARK: And up to those White House Memos

Bill O'Reilly: No problem with that. Yes or no General. do you agree with those

GEN. WESLEY CLARK: Well I would like to see those pictures Bill

Bill O'Reilly: You want to see the pictures?

GEN. WESLEY CLARK: I want to see the pictures

Bill O'Reilly: Even if it will put Americans in danger? You want to see them?

GEN. WESLEY CLARK: I'll tell you what's put Americans in danger is not having the Geneva Convention enforced and

snip.....

http://securingamerica.com/node/272

[slor]

34. Wow...he is a bigger idiot than I gave him credit for...

being. Do you have links to any comments from WW2 vets, about BO? I do hope they find out that he has said this twice now!

[PublicWrath]

35. Do I understand correctly that this jackass was making an argument

that the US government should be shielded from further exposure and scandal regarding war crimes, by insisting that war crimes are a tradition in the US military and our government has always sanctioned and endorsed war crimes?

Can the repubs really think this man is an asset?

[me b zola]

37. That is how I read it

:grr:

[Xenotime]

27. Bill doesn't even know what day it is.

He lucky he remembers where the toilet is.

[PublicWrath]

29. Say, doesn't o'reilly think of himself as something of an expert on WW2?

Maybe somebody will call him out on the Malmedy claim and humiliate him.

[deFaultLine]

30. Well bummer...

it does look like a rerun. I found the clip on the Fox nooz cite. Good lord, somebody should really get some Thorazine for Bill.

As of now, I'm calling Bill out about this. I've known about Malmady since I was ten years old.

[KitchenWitch]

31. What do you expect from a former tabloid TV reporter

ala Inside Edition.

[Rex]

33. Bill is a faux pony

Please stop paying attention to Bill, it just encourages him to be more arrogant and ignorant.

[deFaultLine]

36. I'd love to...

ignore Bill. But there are a lot of Factor addicts out there.

Maybe this will wake a few up.

Odd to find out that he's repeated this mistake.

[Javaman]

39. Another reason, why I hate O'prickly...

My cousin was one of the U.S. soldiers that discovered the bodies of Malmadie Massacre.