Dear Bull Moose, I am your internet "flotsam and jetsam", your "loony ....

[madfloridian]

tunes lefties."

Say hello to me, Bull Moose. I am a retired educator, a lifelong Democrat. I was raised in a very religious home, in the Southern Baptist church. (we left it because of the war support). I have excellent morals, strong values, and a clear mind that sees that a group on our side wants to keep up these wars to prove we are strong.

I am one of the MoveOn people whom you insult in this blog of yours in this post. I am a proud member of the "flotsam and jetsam" of the internet. I will donate to Ned Lamont again next month. If I were in CT, I would vote for him. We just killed a pregnant mother in Iraq on her way to the hospital. This on top of Haditha. And the Joe Lieberman whom you so admire thinks things are going swimmingly there in Iraq.

I am also a member of that organization you refer to as "Howard Dean's".

They are joined by the flotsam and jetsam of the internet and Howard Dean's organization in an attempt to demonstrate to the country that hawkish moderate liberals are not welcome in the Democratic Party.

The GOP Good News

Yes, I am part of the groups that you say are good news for the GOP.

And the GOP deserves their low esteem. They have violated all of their precious principles. They have spent like drunken liberals. They have expanded government on behalf of their corporate cronies. They have created a haven for corruption. And they have been woefully incompetent.

But there is a silver lining. Some Democrats are rushing into the grasp of the loony tune lefties. Move On has moved on to Connecticut to attempt to purge one of the most esteemed centrists in the party - Joe Lieberman. They are joined by the flotsam and jetsam of the internet and Howard Dean's organization in an attempt to demonstrate to the country that hawkish moderate liberals are not welcome in the Democratic Party.

And you should be very ashamed for referring to the upcoming Yearly Kos in such an insulting manner.

You quote the NYT first, and then you say the RNC will be using it against us in the fall. Well, so effing what if they do.

The event has been dubbed the YearlyKos convention, and it is the first-ever corporeal assemblage of the bloggers at the Web site Dailykos.com. These are the people who are said to be changing the very nature of American politics, transforming the old smoke-filled room of insiders into an expansive chat room for anyone who wants in. And so it's not surprising that Democratic luminaries like the party's chairman, Howard Dean, and its leaders in Congress, Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi, have arranged their schedules to address the convention, along with at least a few 2008 presidential contenders. No small contingent of political professionals and journalists will show up as well."

No doubt, the RNC will be there filming footage for attack ads on Democrats running in red state areas. And an event like this is the only good news for the GOP that should be planning for minority status.

The stage is set to blame the "flotsam and jetsam"...(that's me) if we lose in the fall. Of course they will conveniently forget that we lost in 2000, 2002, and 2004.....without our help. Our turn.

Somehow the personal insults and name-calling strengthen the resolve, the tactics of humiliation used by our own against our own are not going to work anymore.

Your final sentence is so out of line in every way:

Democrats who pander to the left, beware!

About Bull Moose, who claims not to even be a Democrat:
http://bullmooseblogger.blogspot.com/2004/10/about-bull-moose.html

[The_Casual_Observer]

1. Anybody who uses "flotsam and jetsam"

Can't be taken seriously.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

3. will you take me seriously if I listen to them?

:evilgrin: a throw back to my death-metal days


Suffer the Masses

The promise cast, the hopeful lured
Stabbing by the pointed words
Tortures of the damned you'll find
Guilt preys upon the human mind

All you know and all you feel
Is all there is and all that's real
Innocent told you're a worthless pain
Eventually drives all insane

Bleak optimism gained
A lame excuse to hide the pain
Instinct stifled be ashamed
For what you feel is right and sane

Suffering, told what you feel and need is wrong
When conflicting with the machine
The machine that's run so long


Suffer the masses, contradicting views inside
Suffer the masses, the personality divides
Suffer the masses, what's told and what you know
Suffer the masses, now, now the neuroses grows

Generations handed down
The false smile to hide your frown
Instinct stifled don't be afraid
For what you feel is right and sane

The promise cast, the hopeful lured
Stabbed by the pointed words
Tortures of the stabbed you'll find
As guilt devours your broken mind


http://www.flotsam-and-jetsam.com/

[The_Casual_Observer]

4. No, I'm afraid I can't. Listening counts.

[Redstone]

5. Not to mention assholes who refer to themselves in the 3rd person.

As does Mr Moose.

Redstone

[Cha]

2. Hi loonie tunes! I'm

one of those Crazy lefties, too, who thought the war on Iraq was just wrong and went out in NYC on Feb 15, 2003 to Protest for 7 hours with the Millions across the World who said "NO" to War!

I know you're probably more Center than I am, madfloridian, but some leaders in the Democratic Party have made you seem like a Leftie(which is Cool.

[madfloridian]

11. Ain't it the truth?

I sort of waver in between the two dimensions. My main issue is the war, I oppose it passionately.

My next is abortion and birth control. I can see trying to prevent abortions, but regulating and forbidding birth control pills is really an awful thing.

Another thing I differ on is that I am sort of on board with our Democrats reaching out to the religious community. Many are like me, lost and realizing we were betrayed. So the idea of reaching out is to me a good thing. I think we will make mistakes at first, but we need to keep trying.

[Cha]

14. I think we should

reach out too. The Democratic Party has Principles that appeal to many who are religious and who are real Christians.

I think the bushites started the War On Iraq to take over the Middle East(OIL) and keep us in a perpetual state of WAR and under their fascist neverending regime so it has become about reclaiming our country.

They talk about spreading "Democracy" when we don't even have it at home.

And factions like the dlc's dinos reed, from, and the repuke bullmoose need to get out of the way cause they sure ain't leading, or following.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

6. Isn't "BullMoose"...

Marshall Wittman of the DLC?

[charlie]

7. Yes

And one thing that's usually omitted from his ultra-conservadroid resume is that he was Bill Kristol's running buddy for years. The Bull Moose conceit was cooked up by the two of them when they were trying to forge a third way movement. He's kind of coy about saying it outright, but Wittman is almost certainly a full-bore neocon. Swell company those DLCers like to keep...

[madfloridian]

8. Yes, here is his most interesting biography.

He sounds like a very bright man, but he simply can not stop insulting anyone who does not agree with him by calling them names...examples above.

http://www.thejewishweek.com/news/newscontent.php3?artid=10110

"Democrats need to reclaim the issues of morality and religion in American politics, says a leading Jewish political thinker.

But this is no rallying call to the faith-based juggernaut that seems to be reshaping the nation. Marshall Wittmann, formerly chief lobbyist for the Christian Coalition, has been there and done that, and now he thinks he’s seen a different kind of light. And that light has a distinctly centrist Democratic cast to it.

Wittmann, 51, has just signed on as a senior fellow at the Democratic Leadership Council — the centrist Democratic group once headed by the man most despised by the Christian right, former President Bill Clinton.

Wittmann’s odyssey from left-leaning union worker to Rev. Pat Robertson’s political operative and back to the Democratic fold, with a few stops in between, offers a different slant on the growing clash over the role of religious values in American public life."

If he could just quit being insulting long enough to dialogue he might stop hurting the cause of the group for which he blogs.

[JNelson6563]

9. More evidence of his asshole-itis

Extreme case. Poor devil.

Julie

[madfloridian]

10. This post sounds like he thinks we need to attack Iran....

I hope I am wrong and am misreading it.

http://bullmooseblogger.blogspot.com/2006/05/containment.html

"But, the difficulty with applying the containment strategy to Iran is that it is governed by a madman who might not necessarily be governed by the normal rules of statecraft. "

"This time the world has no excuse. Ahmadinejad is not being deceptive about his motivations. He is a modern Hitler who is quickly consolidating power,

"President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is trying to consolidate power in the office of the presidency in a way never before seen in the 27-year history of the Islamic Republic, apparently with the tacit approval of Iran's supreme leader, according to government officials and political analysts here."

Those who are addicted to the strategy of containment should think again. When does containment become appeasement?"

[Blue_Tires]

12. wow...

does that guy have the FIRST liberal view about anything?


"in an attempt to demonstrate to the country that hawkish moderate liberals are not welcome in the Democratic Party."

--that's the point!! now kindly FOAD

and what the heck is a hawkish-moderate-liberal? does that even exist? if someone is 'hawkish' and 'moderate' then there are other parties out there for you to join...

[madfloridian]

13. Sirota has a blog post up about Marshall Wittmann and his influence.

http://www.workingforchange.com/blog/index.cfm?mode=entry&entry=85C287B9-D4A3-1E07-F7F8749BA483603E

"As just one example, take Marshall Wittman. This ultra-right-wing
former Christian Coalition official is now employed at the Democratic
Leadership Council, and purports to speak for Democrats. He is one of
the most odious icons of Washington's bought-off bipartisan
Establishment - and has made a name for himself peddling right-wing
talking points, narratives and storylines wholly at odds with actual
facts. Last week was no exception. He told the Los Angeles Times that
the Connecticut primary "is a fight for the soul of the Democratic
Party" because "it will have repercussions for the 2008 presidential
campaign and whether centrists will feel comfortable within the
Democratic Party."

Wittman, a staunch Lieberman shill, is actually correct, though
inadvertently. He's right - this is "a fight for the soul of the
Democratic Party" and it will indicate "whether centrists will feel
comfortable within the Democratic Party." But the actual data shows
that the centrist is not Lieberman, as Wittman purports, but those
opposing Lieberman. And if Lieberman wins the primary, it could mean
that centrists will not feel comfortable in the party, because the
actual data shows Lieberman is the out-of-the-mainstream
arch-right-winger, and the movement that is challenging him
represents the real center."

He's right. Most of us supporting Lamont are not especially on the left. The party has gone so far to the right that anyone looks left. Yet we are really the center.