Democrazy is dead. And I'm giving it an Irish Wake.

[Dr.Phool]

I said after New Years, I'd quit drinking until St. Paddy's day, and give my liver a break. But, you see, I've got this funeral to go to. I just cracked open a fresh bottle of Stoli for the services.

Our illustrious Senate leadership couldn't make a case to reject a proven right-wing extremist for the court. Bush already claims to have all the power he wants to do anything he wants. Scalito will just make it "legal".

The economy is in the crapper, and getting ready to tank, big-time. Pensions are going down the tubes, and health care is impossible to afford.

While my DINO Senator says we have to stay the course in Iraq, John Kerry is getting ready to ride a swift boat into the Persian Gulf. Bush and Bolton are pressing for economic sanctions in Iran, and when Russia and China veto it, we'll start bombing it alone, if we haven't started already in secret.

The NSA has turned it's antennae on the American people, and they think it's a swell idea. Just as long as they protect us from thos people in caves.

Corporations are free to fill our air with smoke, carcinogens, and greenhouse gasses. They can fill the waters with mercury and toxic sludge. Mine companies that have been unsafe for years are free to kill their employees through willful neglect with impunity.

I knew my country was sick for a while now, but I didn't realize it was terminal until this week.

R.I.P. America. We'll miss you.:nopity: :cry: :cry: :cry:

[Sanity Claws]

1. Have one for me too

I also think that the country is slowly dying.
The states are taking on more responsibility because of the incompetence of the federal government, as well as the feds' being overdrawn at the bank. There will come a time when some states are going to wonder why they are part of a federal government that taxes them but doesn't give them any benefits. Blue states tend to pay more in federal taxes than they receive.

[firefox]

2. Yeah, but Democratic Nazis are better than Republican Nazis

Are you trying to divide the party? Isn't the lesser of two evils better than the nasty, vile, unbending, and brainwashed evil?

[zanne]

4. I don't think we're dividing the party.

We're leaving it. And when the Dem leadership gets it through their thick skulls that people are so unhappy they're actually LEAVING, maybe they'll straighten up. Until then, I'm going to stop ENABLING them like an abused spouse who demands respect but keeps getting kicked in the head. Sometimes you just have to know when to say ENOUGH!

[Dr.Phool]

6. I'm not leaving it.

I'll keep screaming to the high heavens for reform. Besides, I'm already commited to a campaign for a progressive Dem through November. I can't cut him loose.

But, in the mean time, on with the wake.

[zanne]

9. Sorry, Dr. Phool.

I shouldn't have spoken for you. I do think there will be alot of Independent Liberals out there in the future if the Dems don't filibuster, though. I'll be one of them.

[firefox]

12. I am an independent.

I think that an informed person concerned with their country would not be a member of either the Democratic Party or the Republican Party.

I do hope the Democratic Party can find its soul and get real. At least the Democratic Party can be saved. The Republican Party needs to be left to the nutcases.

Two party rule must end and all it takes is a direct vote for president and majority for victory in all elections. Doesn't that sound democratic? It is so democratic that neither party will acknowledge it as such and the parties are so corrupt as to not implement the biggest and simpliest things that would allow the country to right itself.

How can the Democratic Party be against a direct vote for president? How can they be for not requiring a majority in an election for victory. Are things so upside down that they would call it unamerican? Is it so obviously wrong to continue the mechanisms of two party rule that silence must be imposed the way the drug war is preserved.

Don't talk about legalizing hemp or ending the Largest Minority Rule. Reason will not preserve present policy, but silence will.

[LittleClarkie]

3. "John Kerry is getting ready to ride a swift boat into the Persian Gulf"

Do what now? Hrr?

[Dr.Phool]

5. I heard him on the news this morning

Talking about the need for sanctions, and stopping their nuclear programs.

They're following the exact same script they used in Iraq, and he's falling for it again. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice...eerrr we don't get fooled again. But, this is the same guy who said, even though he was lied to, he's vote the same way.

[LittleClarkie]

7. He's not falling for shit

He sees what's about to happen, and he's trying to push for UN involvement, just like he did the last time. Hold these men accountable, yes, but don't go riding in shouting YEE HAW!!

He's not swiftboating his way anywhere. He's pushing diplomacy and multi-national action. Again. And the freepers are missing the point. Again. So they will likely fuck it up. Again. And there are still folks on our side who don't get what he's saying either. Again.

It's naive to think that no country ever says one thing and does another (look at Bush, after all). However there is a right way and a wrong way to deal with these things. As an expert on foreign relations, as well as internation crime, I imagine Kerry knows of which he speaks.

That doesn't mean he's riding into war.

But funny you should mention him being in the Middle East. That's where he is right now, in Iraq.

[zanne]

10. Wow. Now I know why Republicans still support Bush...

No matter what he does. Alot of us are supporting the Dem leadership now, no matter what they do. We just don't see it.

[LittleClarkie]

11. And now I know why we may have lost the last election

if people on our side didn't understand the candidate, how could I expect a swing voter to get it.

Read "A New War". You'll see what I mean about what Kerry knows, and what he falls for.

I actually researched him, so I could campaign properly, even though I didn't start off liking him very much.

Trying to explain his position to others doesn't make me a lefty freeper.

[Dr.Phool]

13. I'm not a Kerry hater

I've met him several times, and worked my ass off for him in 2004. I was the county spokesperson for his campaign, and I have to admit, he had me talking to myself several times.

[LittleClarkie]

16. Didn't mean you were a hater, just a misunderstander

is all.

[zanne]

14. I wasn't referring to Kerry.

And I don't think you're a lefty freeper. And I'm not a defeatist. I've been a Democrat for 32 years. I've donated, I've volunteered, I even ran for office once. I'll always be a Liberal. I just might have to be a Liberal Independent, if I see that that's the way to get things done. I guess everybody has their own line in the sand. The filibuster is my line.

[Dr.Phool]

15. Filibuster is a good line to draw.

See who wants to fight this fascist regime.

Bring on the nuclear option. If we keep caving in before they exercise it, we've lost without a fight. But, at least we'll have dry powder.:sarcasm:

[democrat_patriot]

8. Shouldn't it be Bushmill's not Stoli.

Or even Jameson's??

Either way, I'll have a pint on that.