Iraqi war vet suing Michael Moore BUSTED!!!

[rocktivity]

Thanks to Daily Kos :party: and...CNN? :crazy:

According a June 1, 2006 article by the Boston Globe, Sgt. Peter J. Damon is a "staunch supporter of the war effort and President Bush":

Relatives wanted to know why the 33-year-old Damon...agreed to be in a movie that was harshly critical of both...Friends wanted to know why...(he)...was portrayed as a veteran who had been left behind when...military medical personnel had helped him learn to use his artificial arms and veterans groups had helped build his family a new house...

...This week, Damon sued Moore and several film production companies for $85 million...(because)...Moore included him in the movie (Farenheit 9/11) without his permission and misrepresented his stand on the war...Moore used a clip of an interview with Damon conducted by NBC...(in which he) described the intense pain in his arms, which were both severed at the elbow. "...((T)he pain-killers) do a lot to help it," he said. "...(T)hey take a lot of the edge off..." Moore positioned the clip after an interview with...Jim McDermott, a Washington Democrat and a critic of Bush and the war.

"It was kind of almost like the enemy was using me for propaganda," Damon told (a) television station. "...I didn't lose my arms over there to be used as ammunition against my commander-in-chief."

Now, according to a July 24, 2004 SouthOfBoston.com article:

An NBC News spokeswoman responded through an e-mail..."As all news organizations do, NBC News does license footage that has already aired on NBC programs...As a general rule, most news organizations, including NBC News, do not obtain releases from people who appear on our news programs.

"When we do license footage — as in this instance — NBC includes a provision that it is the responsibility of the licensee, not NBC, to obtain all required consents and releases necessary to use the footage..." Based on that policy, it would have been up to Moore to get any needed clearance.

Based on that policy, Damon ought to be suing NBC, too--if he didn't sign a release, he presumably didn't expect the footage to be used beyond the newscast. How can he not have a problem with NBC selling the footage without his knowledge or consent, yet have a problem with how it got used? Anyhow, it wasn't looking good for Mike until Daily Kos dug up this January 15, 2004 article from CNN.com:

WASHINGTON (CNN)-- U.S. Sen. Edward Kennedy, an elder statesman among liberal Democrats, slammed President Bush and his administration for going to war in Iraq based on political considerations...He was flanked by Brian and Alma Hart, whose son John was killed in Iraq, and Army Sgt. Peter Damon, who lost both arms serving in Iraq...

Now, there HAS to be a reasonable explanation for this. Guilt-tripping friends? Angry fellow soldiers? A money-hungry lawyer? A swiftboat-style smear campaign in which he's an unwitting pawn? I've got it--THE PAINKILLERS!!!

That would explain why Damon thinks it's okay to have footage of him sold without his consent, and why he forgot that he publicly supported a politician who didn't support the war: the painkillers worked so well that it's taken him this long to sober up! And if Moore read the article before finishing Fahrenheit 9/11, it's certainly logical that he would identify Damon as a Bush/war critic. Either way, Damon's case is dead in the water, especially if Mike remembers to download a copy of the article before Google erases the web cache.

Here's the Daily Kos article--and don't miss the part about Moore's support of the CHARITIES (not government-sanctioned or financed "veterans groups") that helped Damon get his new home!

:headbang:
rocknation

[opihimoimoi]

1. Its all about MONEY just as we suspected: Peter is a whore..sad he lost

his limbs but that doesn't excuse his greed...for fame and fortune

And the part Peter sez whatever monies he get will be donated to charities? Why do I not believe?

[RaleighNCDUer]

19. In a sad, twisted way I can't blame him.

He did lose his limbs and by this time he's figured out that he is not going to get shit from the government, so he's looking to get what he can where he can.

Can't say I agree with it, but I can understand it.

[sellitman]

30. If anyone digs down in this story you can bet it becomes a

Rovian ploy dreamed up by some either Carl or some Rovewannabe further down the ladder.


I feel sorry for this guys injuries but his head is still intact so he can still kiss my Liberal ass.

[blm]

39. I believe that, too, sellitman - this guy is being PAID by swifthoax GOPs.

Bet on it.

[opihimoimoi]

54. The Vast RW Conspiracy???? NOooooooooo.....

Bet on it.....

[BrklynLiberal]

2. and make sure to rub his right-wing , sleazy, shill lawyer's nose in it.

[CanuckAmok]

3. Another example....

...proving my hypothesis that future generations are going to dig-up these articles about the nearly-forgotten events of the distant past, such as the "9/11 Attacks" and the "War in Iraq", and simply not believe them.

I mean, you cannot make this shit up, end just when you thing you've heard it all.... BAM! Something like this surfaces.

[BrklynLiberal]

4. And here is the info on this RW lawyer who has an agenda

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1324920

[AtomicKitten]

5. He's the new Linda Tripp used by the GOP.

He will have a bottomless legal fund to sue the bejeezus out of Moore and will have all kinds of GOP best albeit temporary friends.

From what I understand, once this bit of film hits the public domain vis-a-vis NBC airing it, it's up for grabs.

Still, it's hard to fathom if and if so why Moore who quite rightly is always flanked by attorneys in these endeavors didn't dot his Is and cross his Ts.

I remain unconvinced this guy even has a case.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

8. I wonder if it will turn out that the guy did sign a release, and forgot

Like he forgot about standing next to Sen. Kennedy? :rofl:

[Pachamama]

65. This is why the Bush Admin. hates the internet(s)! It's because we can do

the research and find cached stories that they had all hoped had disappeared in the "Memory Hole"....

This is classic....the Rove operatives and Right-wingers who recruited this Dimwit probably asked Peter Damon if there was any other time he either signed something or appeared on TV or on film in any way that contradicted this one time with Brian Williams and being the idiot he is, probably really didn't remember.

I love this! It just confirms what we all know to be true which is that the right-wingers in an election period are trying to distract and stir things up and this just proves it! This case is dead in the water and this man has zero credibility! Watch this story die as quickly as it popped up last week!

:rofl:

[sabra]

6. BIG KICK!

:kick:

[Viva_La_Revolution]

7. He also sued his insurance company and got $72,000 nt

[KharmaTrain]

9. It Took Him Two Years To Realize This???

First, hopefully Mr. Moore will present the NBC release of the video...and if it's aired, it's news footage...not a copywrited work, it's part of "fair use"...the reciprocal agreement among major news operations and others that enable clips such as this to be used on other TV shows or for columns and websites. Surely MM has had his words chopped up and re-hashed on hate radio and Faux noise worse than this dude...also under fair use...once it goes out over the air...and a release has been signed, it's fair game. If there's anyone who could sue, it would be NBC...but if Moore paid for it and they accepted the money, who cares what NBC claims, Moore purchased the material properly and has the right to use it in however he sees fit.

A good coralary of this are advertisers who use their competitions commercials or claims and then shoots them down. Surely they don't get a release from their competitor and unless it's shown that there was a deliberate attempt to slander or libel the company (or in this case the individual), he doesn't have a "leg to stand on" (sorry...the pun just escaped). If this goon has a problem, he also has to include NBC in the suit, as noted above, for selling his video without his permission. However, once he signed the release, he agreed for NBC to use it in whatever manner they wish...either on the News or a comedy show or whatever. As the old saying goes, look before you sign.

Next, he has to prove that this footage has cause some sort of harm to him...a loss of a job or income or to his reputation to the point where he could demonstrate it has caused harm. Also, of course, he has to prove that this was done maliciously...his words being used out of context or edited. I haven't seen any mention of that. I know freedom of speech is a bitch to these goons...tough cookies! Any judge who isn't in the pocket of the Repugnican party will laugh this one out the door.

Lastly..surely Damon knew he appeared in the film from the moment it hit the theaters and if he had a legitimate case, he could have immediately gone and had an injunction placed on the release and distribution of the movie rather than wait two years and then try to go after the revenues. Surely MM has some good lawyers going over this thing...and methinks there could be a countersuit here of harassment.

[opihimoimoi]

11. Totally agree...on the MONEY?

[KharmaTrain]

17. Stick To The Wording Of The Suit

When they say it isn't the money, it's the money. Any judge will see that...especially after all this time. Had the movie flopped, would he have brought the suit? Also, how did Moore injur him to the extent of $85 million? Did he encourage physical or economic harm that over time would have amounted to that money or even 5 or 10 percent? Or that by portraying him in the film as he did, was Moore attempting to maliciously destroy this man's reputation and earning potential? If anything this suit could be used to show how Damon is attempting to cash in on the lawsuit as he'll be the darling of every hate radio and Faux Noise program and give him a platform to write a book or other public appearance that would enrich him. Again, any lawyer worth his fee and any judge who has any integrity will shoot this thing through of holes and run this dude out of the courtroom. It's gold-digging at its finest.

The story also really doesn't mention whose REALLY behind this suit. Damon just didn't wake up one day last month and realize he was in the movie and had been "misrepresented". Hopefully someone will do a little digging (and it probably won't take much) to see whose really behind the suit (follow the lawyer would be a real good start)...if it's shown that he was prompted to file the suit by a third party with a political or financial motive, that would be excellent grounds for a countersuit by Moore.

Good to see ya Opi...ya got any poi handy today?

:hi:

[opihimoimoi]

55. :hi: Sending tons of good tasting POI, LOL

Crabs and lobsters too...sushi and sashimi? Teri beef and mochi chicken? What the hell, I send it all along with Hula girls and sword dancers.

[KharmaTrain]

60. One Of These Days...

I'm coming out to the islands...and gonna take you up on all that good stuff!

Cheers...

[opihimoimoi]

63. call me when in town....we go eat good food, smile, laugh, sing....

[Ian David]

10. If Sgt. Damon wasn't "left behind" by the military, Bush, and goverment...

... then why did it take a private charity, Homes for our Troops, along with 59 corporate donors, to put a roof over his head?

It sounds to me like Sgt. Damon was abandoned and left to plead for charity from strangers, because he didn't get the support from the military that he deserved and earned!

Now, why isn't he suing the company that made the tire on the Blackhawk helicopter that blew-up in his face and took his arm with it?

[RaleighNCDUer]

20. No doubt, the company has it written into its defense contracts

that what happens in a war zone, stays in the war zone.

I remember hearing a lot of storied, during VN, about people who tried to sue the defense contractors for defective equipment, but DOD got between the people and the companies and, as far as I can remember, nothing much ever happened.

[wicket]

12. Nice find!

:kick:

[DemonFighterLives]

13. Thanks for the info.

I couldn't believe it when I first heard it. Like Big Eddy said, aren't these folks supposed to be against frivolous law suits?
A caller this morning was sure happy that someone was suing Moore. Some of the freaky freepers I have talked to have a very unhealthy hatred for Michael Moore. They can't get it out of their head and most of them have not viewed the movie.

[TahitiNut]

14. He's obviously an example of the Bushoilini policy of disarmament.

:dunce:

[Ksec]

15. Moore is savy enough to get releases

Id bet on that. He knows to cover his ass when dealing with the insane right.

[KingFlorez]

16. His ass is busted

Sorry for the curse word, but I thought it was appropriate.

[Deja Q]

36. Oy! How dare you use the word "busted" in front of a bunch of strangers?

:wow:

[Breeze54]

18. Damon was a cast member in "Michael Moore Hates America" and ..

"And Usually These Two-Years-After-the-Fact Lawsuits Are So Honest..."
http://www.reason.com/hitandrun/2006/06/and_usually_the.shtml

Here's an AP photo ( http://cryptome.quintessenz.at/mirror/im01/iraq-maim01.htm )
from Nov. 17, 2003, when Sen. Kennedy visited Damon at Walter Reed.


Snip-->
"In 2004, Damon appeared in at least two anti-Moore movies,
"Michael Moore Hates America" and "Fahrenhype 9/11".
Damon lives in a house built by Homes for Our Troops,
a nonprofit charity unofficially endorsed by Moore."
Posted by David Weigel at June 1, 2006 12:12 PM<--snip

Full Cast and Crew for "Michael Moore Hates America" (2004)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0411646/fullcredits

Cast (in alphabetical order)
Andrew Breitbart .... Himself
Peter Damon http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1737457/
Dinesh D'Souza .... Himself
Sandra Froman
Carr Hagerman
David Horowitz .... Himself
Jan Jacobson
Penn Jillette .... Himself
Albert Maysles .... Himself
Christopher Ohlsen
J.C. Watts .... Himself
Michael Wilson .... Himself
Michael Moore .... Himself (archive footage) (uncredited)

------------------------------
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1737457/

Peter Damon (II)

Photo Not Submitted

Trivia - Sergeant in the Massachusetts National Guard (joined in March, 2000). (show more)

Sometimes Credited As: Sgt. Peter Damon http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1737457/bio

[DemonFighterLives]

21. Very Interesting

I guess he is just following the money. I feel sorry for his losses, but he still seems like a jerk by doing the moore haters work.

[tridim]

22. Did Michael Moore give his consent to appear in those two films?

Maybe he should sue. :eyes:

[Canuckistanian]

23. Are there pics?

That would be priceless, to have a pic of Kennedy's arm around his shoulder.

[Pharaoh]

24. Endless pathetic Morans!

kick.............

[Junkdrawer]

25. Scratch a little deeper and Richard Scaife will come slithering out...

Any bets? :shrug:

[wiley]

28. Odds 1M to 1 you're right

How do the poisionous toxins that circulate through his body not eat him away?

[Minnesota_Lib]

46. Bingo! This shows how desperate they are to discredit MM before....

..his next exposé on Bushco is released. It must be dynamite!

[Minnesota_Lib]

53. Scratched - The attorney Lynch does have a connection to Scaife.....

Dennis Lynch and Father Richard John Neuhaus both are connected thru the organization Your Catholic Voice (see links below). Neuhaus is a staunch neo-con who also serves on the advisory board for the dominionist Institute on Religion and Democracy (IRD). The IRD was founded with financing and continues to be financed by...you guessed it....

http://www.christiancentury.org/article.lasso?id=2060

"The work still performs a valuable service, especially in describing the foundations and think tanks that fund the IRD. Richard Mellon Scaife, Howard and Roberta Ahmanson and the John Birch Society are among those that have given the IRD millions of dollars over the years. Scaife also funded much of the litigation against President Clinton in the 1990s. (Swecker and colleagues report that Scaife is on public record as claiming that Bill and Hillary Clinton have murdered dozens of friends and colleagues.)"

The John Birch Society is involved in this organzation too...ROTFLMAO!
______________________________________________

Anyway, while not a strong link, it is very possible that Scaife is lurking somewhere in the shadows and financing this legal action which is clearly meant to discredit and bankrupt Moore. I am sure he has a vested interest in doing so....


http://rittenhouse.blogspot.com/2002_10_06_rittenhouse_archive.html (this shows Lynch and Neuhaus know each other and establishes another financial link between Neuhaus and Scaife)

http://www.catholic.org/featured/headline.php?ID=374 (Lynch gushes over Father Neuhaus)

http://www.yourcatholicvoice.org/insight.php?article=2245 (Neuhas is interviewed for Lynch's Your Catholic Voice).

http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/ConservativesPlantoSplitChurches.html (more on the IRD and Lynch colleague Neuhaus's link to it).

"The Rev. Richard John Neuhaus, a Roman Catholic priest and former Lutheran minister, wrote its founding statement and other neoconservatives joined an advisory board. (In addition to Father Neuhaus, the institute's board of directors currently includes Mary Ellen Bork, wife of Judge Robert H. Bork, Fred Barnes of the Weekly Standard and Fox News, and Michael Novak of the American Enterprise Institute.)"

[Junkdrawer]

56. Thank! Good Work...

:yourock:

[NorthernSpy]

57. top notch, Minnesota Lib!

:thumbsup:

And please, don't be shy about sharing this info widely with all those whom it may help.


:applause:

[Swamp Rat]

67. And the Ahmanson family too! (American Information Systems - now, ES&S)

(snip)

In the early 1980s, brothers Bob and Todd Urosevich founded ES&S’s originator, Data Mark. The brothers Urosevich obtained financing from the far-Right Ahmanson family in 1984, which purchased a 68% ownership stake, according to the Omaha World Herald. After brothers William and Robert Ahmanson infused Data Mark with new capital, the name was changed to American Information Systems (AIS). California newspapers have long documented the Ahmanson family’s ties to right-wing evangelical Christian and Republican circles.

In 2001, the Los Angeles Times reported, “. . . primarily funded by evangelical Christians – particularly the wealthy Ahmanson family of Irvine – the institute’s $1-million annual program has produced 25 books, a stream of conferences and more than 100 fellowships for doctoral and postdoctoral research.” The chief philanthropists of the Discovery Institute, that pushes creationist science and education in California, are Howard and Roberta Ahmanson.

According to Group Watch, in the 1980s Howard F. Ahmanson, Jr. was a member of the highly secretive far-Right Council for National Policy, an organization that included Lieutenant Colonel Oliver North, Major General John K. Singlaub and other Iran-Contra scandal notables, as well as former Klan members like Richard Shoff. Ahmanson, heir to a savings and loan fortune, is little reported on in the mainstream U.S. press. But, English papers like The Independent are a bit more forthcoming on Ahmanson’s politics.

“On the right, figures such as Richard Mellon Scaife and Howard Ahmanson have given hundreds of millions of dollars over several decades to political projects both high (setting up the Heritage Foundation think-tank, the driving engine of the Reagan presidency) and low (bankrolling investigations into President Clinton’s sexual indiscretions and the suicide of the White House insider Vincent Foster),” wrote The Independent last November.

(snip)

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm

[NorthernSpy]

58. your perception of a fine Pittsburghian hand pulling the strings...

... appears to be right on!

:thumbsup:

[Coexist]

26. The BEST part:

<snip>
"The biggest irony in all of this is that Damon was the first disbaled Iraq war veteran to receive a new house built by "Homes for Our Troops."

A charitable organization prominently supported by none other than Michael Moore!

I can understand Sgt. Damon being upset and wanting to strike back politically in 2004 when Fahrenheit 9/11 was still a hot topic. It was also when the Preisdential election was taking place. So, he did his rightwing hack duty. He Swift Boated Michael Moore."

[file83]

27. What a jack-ass. Now he isn't going to get sympathy from anyone.

People that play both sides like that are bottom feeders. I don't care how wounded they got "serving" our country.

[Deja Q]

37. Bottom feeders also seem to control all 3 levels of government AND

the corporate elite as well.

Everyone's a bottom feeder or certainly has the potential to be.

The ironic part is, they're at the top and we're at the bottom.

[Darwin26]

29. playing both sides

oooooeeeeeee flip flop but i bet O'Reilly will open his arms to this deranged Veteran. It seems like a case of PTSD... however that would only intensify behavior that was already inherent... As a Disabled Vet myself i think he's not getting proper treatment for his issues...in his tissues. Oh --- there's no funding for that ... methinks there's gonna be a lot more WIA's missing their pain killer So Be Ware.

[Deja Q]

34. A logical viewpoint, accepted.

And given all the funding Bush and congress have cut, that vet should not be hounding Michael Moore (I agree, he is deranged :( and understandably so!).

Vets sure as hell deserve better than to be treated as disposable garbage by their own government that made use of their services, and I don't give a damn who runs it at the time - the government has to respect the troops, or (amongst other things) people will notice and not bother defending it.

And a big "Thank you" for serving our Country. :hug: May the current slashings get turned around and the financial support you sure as hell do deserve.



Welcome to DU too. :party:

[Maine-ah]

31. NBC is included in the suit.

NBC is named in the suit - which was filed in Suffolk County, Mass., on Friday - along with Harvey and Robert Weinstein, Miramax Corp., Lions Gate Films and other production companies involved with the picture.

http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/69383.htm


I know it's the Post, but....

[Deja Q]

35. LOL. Good luck to him.

Like a poor marksman, he's still way off the target, but if it keeps him amused, let him be petty and superficial. No doubt NBC has enough documentation (oh, and money) to persevere, and I can't believe I'm tempted to side with NBC - the makers of the terminally dull and equally undead "Saturday Night Live" - on this.

[rocktivity]

42. Thanks--this is the first story I've seen that mentions NBC as a defendant

So our gut instincts were right about that, if only because the suit makes no sense without including NBC.

Do you remember when that rock club burned down in Rhode Island? The judge had to issue a bunch of rulings about who was and was not liable. For instance, the beer distributor to the club was dismissed from the civil suit, but the radio station who sponsored the show that night was not. Hopefully, the same thing will happen here.

:headbang:
rocknation

[NorthernSpy]

32. beats a slip-and-fall lawsuit against Mike's Luncheonette, I guess

:eyes:

After allowing a couple of years to pass while the movie he appeared in made big money, this guy suddenly decides he's been terribly, terribly harmed by his own choice to appear on the dais with a liberal politician. Now he needs $85 million to make it right.

:eyes:

Please.


I'm sorry about his lost arms and his lost earning power. But Michael Moore and the Left do not owe him a multi-million dollar fortune. We should rebuff and counterattack this gold-digger as vigorously as we'd defend ourselves against any other common scammer seeking to hit the jackpot at our expense.

[Deja Q]

33. As expected and as I'd stated before. The fool wilfully gave up his rights

upon signing up to NBC in the first place.

Fortunately, smugness doesn't become me.

And because it's all about money, I am tempted to say "oopsie, oopsie - gone poopsie inthe pantsy.", but I won't. The guy's been through a lot.

And, on reflection, we've all read the fine print and signed it at times anyway. Doesn't make the ex-soldier correct for suing Moore (as I said in a different response, Moore isn't the one who sent him over in the first place and it's not Moore who's cutting Veterans' benefits... it's the vet's own leaders he still wants to think highly of... so maybe I'm still correct in my usage of the word "fool". Unless * restores all the cut benefits and adds some, but I don't see that happening either.)

[1932]

38. There goes his damages claim.

[NorthernSpy]

40. You bet! If he cared so much about being mistaken for...

... a person of anti-war and anti-Bush views, then why did Damon stand unprotesting at Sen. Kennedy's side while the Senator gave a speech blasting Bush and Bush's war decisions? If he really cared about his $85 million "reputation", he could have walked out. The man's arms were sliced off while fixing a helicopter, but he still has his legs -- and presumably, they work just fine.

Failing that, he could have said something. At the time that the clip of him in the hospital was included in the movie, Damon wasn't trying to distance himself from expressions of anti-war and anti-Bush points of view. Quite the opposite, in fact.

[1932]

41. Monday, his lawyer will file an action against Kennedy for misleading him

about the content of that speech.

[Joanne98]

50. Lol.

[cyberpj]

43. Does't matter. The initial article gets the attention, then media ignores

the rebuttals. That's how it's done.

[populistdriven]

44. Michael Moore is Film-Making's Babe ruth

Since his entire career is exposing sleezy people Moore has been labeled a sleeze-artist by those he exposes. Well by that definition all cops are sleeze-artists too.

Moore loves digging up dirt on powerful and rich corporate executives / Republicans that go to any lengths to acquire wealth and power. They consider themselves superior to the poor / powerless and take advantage of them. He takes pleasure in slinging their dirt back in their faces to prove that when you shit on the little guy that your shit may just backfire into your face. If there is one thing the rich hate, its having their shit thrown back in their face. The rich expect the poor and powerless to quietly accept the role of the Rich and take their abuse.

Moore has proven that you can throw teh Rich's shit back in their face and make them look funny while wearing their own crap. He enjoys it so much it has become his unique art-form. As an artist he is deeply inspired. If you have followed Moore for years, like I have, it is clear that he gets his inspiration from making "payback is a bitch" happen to a group that considered itself immune to payback. He did this loooong before he was successful and has not sold out.

I am not saying that at times he hasn't been overly exuberant in his invented profession. Who hasn't? I am saying that if you look at the man's entire career to date, starting when no one knew him, he has been remarkably consistent. When you look at his multi-decade long track record his rare moments of trying too hard to make his point are exactly that - rare.

To try a baseball analogy, look at the lengths Barry Bonds went to in his career. Bonds went far, far beyond the line between trying too hard and maliciously fucking over his competitors. Yet some wingnuts still support Bonds. The only people that admire him for his willingness to go to any lengths to win seem to be the same types that Moore attacks.

Compare Bonds with his nemesis Babe Ruth.

Wiki on Ruth: "For someone who performed larger-than-life heroics on the field, Ruth was very often less than the ideal role model in his behavior and personality. He drank too much, his speech was splattered with profanities, chased women while a married man, drove cars recklessly, was frequently childishly rebellious with a disregard for rules and authority figures, and sometimes had a quick temper with players, umpires, and even fans. Yet despite all of his well-publicized faults, millions of people adored him. He was generous with his time and money, and set up numerous charities, many directed toward children."

So Babe Ruth had his faults too but they were not across the line. As a baseball analogy to the field of documentary film-making, Michael Moore is much closer to Babe Ruth than Barry Bonds. Moore is already in the film-making hall-of-fame. Bonds should never be in any hall-of-fame.

[U4ikLefty]

61. Great analogy...can I steal it?!? n/t

[populistdriven]

64. have fun with it!

[1932]

62. You need to read WHAT'S MY NAME, FOOL? by Dave Zirin,

It'll give you an opposing view of Bonds -- it will give you a progressive's defense of Bonds.

[Marr]

45. I don't see why standing with Kennedy there equates to

giving Moore the rights to run that footage. If Damon didn't sign the relevant releases, he didn't sign them. I would hope that our courts could make some reasonable call here, but really- Michael Moore should've secured the legal rights to use that footage.

I love Michael Moore's work and I appreciate what the man does, but this seems like a rather tortured and twisted excuse, honestly. Looks like he fucked up and didn't get the rights to use that clip.

[Rainscents]

47. How do you know he didn't sign it?

Just because he say so? I bet he sign it and now he is lying about it.

[Marr]

48. Well if he did, his case won't go far. Problem solved.

[rocktivity]

49. Moore didn't need to get a release--he obtained the footage legally.

Sure, NBC told Moore that he was "responsible" for getting a release to use the footage. But since THEY thought it was okay to sell it without getting a release THEMSELVES, they--not Moore--are who Damon should be gunning for. And why not? NBC has a HECK of a lot more money than Michael Moore!

:headbang:
rocknation

[robinlynne]

51. not so. news use is deemed editorial.

for profit use, as in a commercially distributed film, is entirely different and does need a signed consent. I work with copyright laws in my business.
the laws governing editorial use are specific to editorial use.

[rocktivity]

52. What was in F9/11 was news to a lot of people!

;)
rocknation

[robinlynne]

59. you're right on that one!

[The Flaming Red Head]

66. Look at how these Pentagon bitches disrespected Pat Tillman

Judging from the way this administration treats their staunch supporters.

If I was Damon.

I’d be busy watching my back for friendly fire instead of trashing Michael Moore.