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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 09:25 AM
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New Zogby Poll: Majority of Americans Support Impeaching Bush for Wiretapp
New Zogby Poll Shows Majority of Americans Support Impeaching Bush for Wiretapping

By a margin of 52% to 43%, Americans want Congress to impeach President Bush if he wiretapped American citizens without a judge's approval, according to a new poll commissioned by AfterDowningStreet.org, a grassroots coalition that supports a Congressional investigation of President Bush's decision to invade Iraq in 2003.

The poll was conducted by Zogby International, the highly-regarded non-partisan polling company. The poll interviewed 1,216 U.S. adults from January 9-12.


http://www.democrats.com/bush-impeachment-poll-2
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Jawja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 09:27 AM
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1. Just as I thought.
The recent polls by the GOP polling organizations are bogus. You know, those that say over half of the public SUPPORTS the illegal wiretapping?

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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 09:30 AM
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2. Some of the polls are so bogus that they are laughable.
But with a compliant and paid media the lie is broadcast as fact.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 09:32 AM
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5. those are worded to emphasize bush's claim
that the taps are ONLY used between citizens and suspected members of Al Qeada. That is what the public says is okay - but that isn't the program. What the poll asks is rarely clarified when covered in the broadcast world.
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 10:30 AM
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11. All shadowy polling is used
on the media one way street to autocracy except any poll that does not jive with a GOP rigged election.

If the polls disagreed with a GOP loss however? That would make the polls 100% the replacement for actual voting in America. But why rig polls when you can rig the real thing with no competition?
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 09:30 AM
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3. A good push poll gets you the answer you want
IE Is it ok for the Grand and Glorious pResident to wire tap Terrorists phone calls without a warrant or do you support the Devil?
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 09:32 AM
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4. And all I got
was a poll about being afraid to talk to my boyfriend/husband about sex. Rats, I would have prefered to weigh in on this one!
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 11:14 AM
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22. Hey Muse!
I know a freeper who says Zogby polls are not accurate because they have never asked her to participate.

So I guess I shouldn't trust them either. :sarcasm:
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 09:41 AM
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6. "should consider"
You know, it doesn't help the public debate to misstate what the poll asked. It asked whether Congress "should consider" impeachment. That's a huge leap to Americans support impeachment. It means people want more information. But also, the fact that there was such a large number that disagreed with even considering impeachment is quite telling too. There is still alot of educating to do on this, that's for sure.
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LuCifer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 10:00 AM
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7. Can you wiretap, err, hear me now?
Good!

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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 10:06 AM
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8. KICK!!!!!
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 10:08 AM
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9. kcik
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billybob537 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 10:30 AM
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10. Only 26% supported Clinton Impeachment
BUT THESE lying scumbag bastards had to force it . Shrub is universaly hated and MSM wont report it. The lying scum BADMINISTRATION owns the media, and decides what gets air time.
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 11:44 AM
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26. As it was then, Congress not responding to...
the will of the American people, and the media backs up THEM, not the people.

This situation really is outrageous!
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 10:35 AM
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12. We also want out of the war and health care for all
according to numerous polls, but no one is listening!
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Neecy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 10:36 AM
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13. This is why Matthews et al are scrambling....
MSM has tried their best to minimize the fact that our "president" broke the law because they know he committed an impeachable offense.
Thus we see Tweety foaming at the mouth that it's the presidet's 'job' to break the law, we see Wolf consider this something that involves 'our security', etc.

They know the implications of what Bush did and their corporate masters are finally getting nervous (too bad illegal wars, treason, and the Patriot Act didn't phase them).
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 10:44 AM
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14. But, But, But I thought the numbers favored Team Bush
and the we still can't find Osama but we'll eavesdrop on your quaker meeting mantra, you
never know when a wild eyed terrorist will show up at a quaker meeting.
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no_more_rhyming Donating Member (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 10:44 AM
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15. The same
the highly-regarded non-partisan polling company. On the Bush/Rove payroll.
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AnneD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 10:57 AM
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16. As I have suspected all along......
I hope Congress wakes up. America is not buying what the NeoCons are selling. If Alito get in you can kiss what few rights we have left goodbye and that includes Congress' authority. If this happens the people may actually come to the point of 1) ignoring the SCOTUS rulings 2) write new laws. For the Neocons-it is all about the power: how to get it, use it, and retain it.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 10:58 AM
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17. What's with the "if" ... he went on national radio/tv and not only ...
... told Americans he was spying on them, he intended to continue ...

IMPEACMENT is just the first event in Bush's path to justice; then comes prosecution in the Senate and hopefully many, many more tribunals thereafter.


Peace.
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Fiendish Thingy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 11:06 AM
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18. has this poll surfaced in the Traditional Media (AKA MSM) yet? n/t
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Fiendish Thingy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 11:08 AM
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19. has this poll surfaced in the Traditonal Media (aka MSM) yet? n/t
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 11:10 AM
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20. I took Zogby's latest, and this wasn't even asked.
It was all about TX politics. :shrug:
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 11:15 AM
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23. On-line vs Telephone
I took one on CO politics recently on-line. this is telephone
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 04:23 PM
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37. The latest on-line Zogby poll I took was about...
teeth whitening products and sexual behavior. What one has to do with the other I don't know.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 11:14 AM
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21. Wow I'm really shocked. After stolen election, 9/11, No WMD, Katrina
Why is this the issue that finally sends him to the cleaners? Is it just such a clear-cut violation that people are really getting it? Because I think they have already obfuscated the issue so much. They confuse you by citing "data-mining" in one breath, while in the other Bush is saying that the taps were specific all were related to Al Queda. Two separate issues conflated to confuse.
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nashuaadvocate Donating Member (514 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 11:27 AM
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24. KICK!!!!! nm
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 11:39 AM
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25. Just who are the Deluded who still want the guy to stay???
The man is outta control and dangerous to our National Health...
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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 11:52 AM
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27. poll release is scheduled for January 16, 2006
The official poll release is, I gather, scheduled for January 16, 2006--Martin Luther King Day--one possible reason sources are reporting that Al Gore will give a landmark speech on that date calling the entire Bush Presidency into question.

Poll respondents were asked, "If President Bush wiretapped American citizens without the approval of a judge, do you agree or disagree that Congress should consider holding him accountable through impeachment?"

http://sethabramson.blogspot.com/
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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 11:53 AM
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28. Monday Should be a great day - Happy Goreday!!!
Edited on Sat Jan-14-06 11:55 AM by kpete
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 01:44 PM
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33. Cspan will carry it live !

12:00 PM EST
1:00 (est.) LIVE
Speech
Civil Liberties
American Constitution Society
Albert Gore Jr., United States
The beginning and end of this live program may be earlier or later than the scheduled times.
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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 11:54 AM
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29. dupe
Edited on Sat Jan-14-06 11:54 AM by kpete
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 12:27 PM
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30. Aww Jeez! And the media has been telling us that we ACCEPT
*'s breaking the law. I hate the MSM. :puke:
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 12:39 PM
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31. kick
I can't wait to see this on the corporate media.:sarcasm:
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 01:05 PM
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32. I'd like to see this poll on CNN
that low rumbling sound grows louder ...
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 01:50 PM
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34. This seems similar
to the Zogby poll --if BUSH lied about WMDs-- IIRC was 53% yes- Congress should.

I think this is a mandate to stop this administration from doing shit. This is a double barrelled shotgun--

Lied about WMDs -- impeach
Spygate-- impeach

what more do we need to know? Stop Alito-- SHUT THE SENATE DOWN
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EFF_BUSH Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 02:05 PM
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35. IF?????
Why is there an IF? Didn't Bush already admit that he was wiretapping without a court approval?
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 04:33 PM
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38. If...if...if...
That's how all these pro-impeachement polls are phrased...and why, IMHO, they all mean nothing.

We all know that it's not even a matter of "if" anymore, but the average responder uses it as a dodge. "Yes, if Bush did this, he should be impeached" they say, but a large portion of them will look away and refuse to acknowledge any evidence short of a tearful Dubya confession. No matter how much evidence comes forward, it will always be "yes, he should be impeached if he did that (but I'm not convinced he did)."

Until we get a poll showing that a majority support impeachment, with no "ifs, ands, or buts" in the question, such polls are meaningless.

:grr:

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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 02:26 PM
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36. Keep kicking.
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mikelewis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 05:50 PM
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39. If polls were right, Kerry would be President...
No way only 52% support impeachment. It's gotta be more like 90%. I think the other 38% think impeachment means a blowjob. Who would want Bush to get a blowjob?
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greiner3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 06:57 PM
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40. Good deal!
Bad thing about Zogby is that I went to sleep fitfully Monday night, day before elections 2004. I had just checked Zogby's latest poll numbers and Kerry was projected to win the election, carrying Ohio by 2%. The rest is history. Ole Mark Twain is rolling over in his grave, laughing. I wonder how he would finish his famous line now. There's 4 kind of lies; lies, damn lies, statistics and ...
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nicknameless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 07:34 PM
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41. Another Zogby poll, Oct-Nov 2005, showed that the Majority want bush*
impeached if he lied us into war.

http://www.impeachpac.org/?q=node/6

Two different polls, on different grounds, calling for impeachment.
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nicknameless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 02:44 AM
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46. ^^^^^^^ ALSO: IMPEACH FOR LYING ABOUT WAR (Zogby poll) ^^^^^^^
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RazzleDazzle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 07:49 PM
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42. That can't be right -- Fox today said most Americans don't mind
being wiretapped.

Honest, that's what they said. Forget whose poll it was supposed to be.

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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 09:11 PM
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43. Fox Poll -- they had a big banner: "BIG STORY: Fox Poll Shows Most
Edited on Sat Jan-14-06 09:13 PM by Hissyspit
Americans Support Wiretapping"

The sound was off on the TV at the PX, but I imagine they failed to mention that it doesn't matter what most Americans think, what matters is if it was unconstitutional and/or illegal or not, and it is illegal and unconstitutional. So what their poll was saying is that most Americans don't care about the U.S. Constitution. Good going, Fux News - how come you hate America and the Constitution so much?

I'm sure it was the wording of the poll that got them that result - probably very similar to a NewsMax poll - textbook right-wing push poll. They kept the banner up a long time and were going on and on about it. Not news, not analysis, just blatant propaganda. Embarassing really, but has worked - but for how much longer?
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 10:21 PM
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44. Hummala baby. This thing's got wings.
Let's run with it and take off into justice-ville. We wuz robbed, I tell ya. We need justice now.


This message is for Bush's flying monkeys who have been watching us:
Hey, NSA, screw you and your wiretaps. Get a life. To think, you have nothing better to do with your time than watch my boring ass life. Haha, loser.
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 11:46 PM
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45. How many peer nominations does it take...
...to get a post onto the home page?

:shrug:
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 09:23 AM
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48. today 45 at least
Edited on Sun Jan-15-06 09:25 AM by rman
but it's not automatic

http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/faq.html#recommend-homepage

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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 09:36 AM
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49. 62, and holding my breath.
:shrug:
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 03:27 AM
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47. .
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