Gore should make himself the leader of the impeachment movement.

[European Socialist]

When he speaks on Monday, why not go all the way, and make it the beginning of the end for Dumya.

[ClassWarrior]

1. Al needs to Visualize IMPEACHMENT.

At this point, what does he have to lose??

NGU.

[Burning Water]

11. I just gotta ask.

What does 'NGU' mean??

[ClassWarrior]

12. Never Give Up...

...my personal motto since 11/03/04.

B-)

NGU.

[Burning Water]

17. Thanks for the info

:)

[madokie]

39. Well thanks I've been wondering too. I like it.

NGU

[marylanddem]

2. That's my bumper sticker: Visualize Impeachment

And I think Al definitely should lead the charge.

[Eric J in MN]

3. Al Gore should run for governor of California.

nt

[Warren DeMontague]

24. He should run for PRESIDENT again, is what he should do.

Not that we wouldn't love to have him here.

[troubleinwinter]

4. EVERY Dem. senator and cong. rep. should lead the impeachment movement

They are the ones in office, in power.

[European Socialist]

7. I agree--Maybe Al could get the ball rolling.

[kurth]

5. Gore sure has more balls than the Dems in Congress

Of course as soon as he mentions the I word, "moderate"/"centrist" Democratic leaders will condemn him for being hateful and ill-tempered. Sour grapes. Doesn't speak for the Party. etc. etc.

[HardWorkingDem]

6. Don't think so....

I think the media would paint Gore as the sore loser and it would end up tainting his stature. I would really love to see Gore throw his hat back in the ring. I think Gore's past experiences have really liberated him and he would be a truly great candidate and wonderful president. Let's face it....this man went through an experience that was probably one of the roughest things a person can go through - a winning presidential election that was taken from him. He has had to stand back for 5 yrs and watch this with probably knots in his stomach.

But he shouldn't lead an impeachment movement - it would just be seen as sour grapes.

[NYCGirl]

8. I agree with you. Gore should distance himself of any impeachment talk.

But he definitely should run in 08.

[WhereThereIsFire]

16. Probably Howard Dean should lead the impeachment movement

I'd like to see Al Gore do it ... it certainly would remove any remaining stigma of not being a strong leader ... taking a position that could damage him politically would be an "interesting" tactic ... and might not cost him another run.

But, pragmatically speaking ... Howard Dean is probably the one that should lead this charge. But, on the other hand (how many times am I allowed to say "but"?), the repugs have already tried to tar people- powered-Howard as a "nutcase" when he is so smart, so savvy, they should be quaking in their boots if he led a charge against them. They definately "derailed" his presidential campaign because they thought he would steam roller them ... and maybe NOW he could do just that by spearheading a real impeachment movement.

[NYCGirl]

34. No, I don't think so. It would be too partisan. It's important that for

any impeachment effort to be successful, it be BI-partisan. It's not possible any other way.

[rucky]

10. Who wouldn't the media "paint" as something?

they will discredit anybody they want, whenever and however they want to.

Pick a leader and commit, or hem and haw forever. Superman will not save us.

[NYCGirl]

15. Sure they do. But I want Al Gore at the forefront of something

that's not so much like tilting at windmills, to use an overworked phrase. I want him tanned, rested and ready for 08.

[ClassWarrior]

19. Bravo!! Couldn't have said it better meself. And who better to lead...

...this charge but Gore?? I have a feeling most people will see it as a brave and valiant effort, despite the worst efforts of the Corporate Media whores.

NGU.

[Burning Water]

14. It would be painted

as 'sour grapes', of course. But fear of what the RW will say is what keeps our 'leaders' from saying what needs to be said. a true leader is willing to sacrifice himself for his people and cause. What we've got is careerists, actually not a lot better than the Repukes. Regardless of how they talk, the walk is not getting walked.

[HardWorkingDem]

18. But keep in mind....

the noise of the Repug machine would drown out Gore's message. The "sour grapes" part would become the actual message. For example, recall what Dean said a few weeks ago about not winning in Iraq. Even though it is true, the way he phrased it ended up coming back and biting him, the Dems and our message right in the ass.

It's like Huffington has suggested - we need to step back a bit and put some spokesperson out there like Murtha and tell the Bidens and Joementums to keep their traps shut for a few minutes.

Personally, I think how Gore is doing things is working: the periodic speeches that thunder with passion and grit. Look at all the attention this upcoming speech is getting.

I also think a person like John Dean or some other recovering rethuglican would be great for calling for Bush's impeachment, but they'd just tar and feather Gore with the "Sore-Loserman" tag all over again.

[Burning Water]

9. Now that is an excellent idea.

It would be good to see a Democratic "leader" who actually got up and led.

'Course, he better be prepared for a lot of nasty comments.

[LiberalEsto]

21. Any Democrat who tries to lead will get nasty remarks

and worse slung at them by the rethug slime/noise machine.

It's inevitable.

[fishwax]

25. exactly

at some point we've just got to buck up and take it, instead of worrying about all the bad names we'll be called.

[European Socialist]

27. here,here

[NYC Liberal]

31. And Dem "leaders" will as well.

Remember how they all backed down when Howard Dean actually stood up? "Oh he doesn't speak for ME! He doesn't speak for most Democrats."

[HardWorkingDem]

37. Tired of Democratic echo chambers...

there is an old saying by Einstein about how insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

My point is, how many times does it take Dems getting kicked in the teeth to realize what the party does needs modification?

Sure, it would be great for Gore to take up the impeachment charge, but as soon as it happened all the media would jump on him about this going back to 2000. The entire message about Bush's impeachable offenses would be drowned out by all the pundits and opinionaters screaming Gore is just doing this because of that.

We have seen this show over and over again and look where it has gotten us - nowhere. That is why Gore probably knows he is not the right person for this.

Du'ers need to pull themselves out of the echo chamber and realize the terrible environment that we exist in and fight within that environment as effectively as we can and do things to bring other voters to our side.

I predict that if Gore would do this, then the first thing the media would do would be to run to Joe Leiberman and ask him his opinion; we all know what that would be and that would be the first step in the further destruction of Al Gore.

[ClassWarrior]

38. I'm tired of Republicon echo chambers. But that's just me.

NGU.

[Burning Water]

41. Of course,

tht's why they should be prepared for them.

[mazzarro]

13. Ditto - Gore Needs To Do This Consistently

The half hearted attempts democratic leaders make that eventually end up in big unattractive turd has been hurtful to the party's rank-and-file. When no one is willing to take a sustained lead and no consistent vociferous support can be expected from party leadership on most controversial issues, then it is no wonder that the efforts amount to nothing almost all the time.
If Gore sees things as being bad and/or heading in the wrong direction, whether or not he is running for the next election, it behooves him to take consistent stand and not back down at all. He is going to be attacked anyway - so he should go forward and lead the effort - uncompromisingly - IMHO.

[ClassWarrior]

20. K&R

NGU.

[Jade Fox]

22. Unfortunately, he would be branded as...

doing it our of resentment for "losing" the election in 2000. Totally unfair, I know.

I think Dean should lead it, and Gore and Kerry work in the background.

[ClassWarrior]

23. Brave? Daring? Finding the courage he lacked in the campaign?

Sure, all the wrong people would try to spin it. But there's a chance that that would backfire and instead generate huge, solid media interest in IMPEACHMENT. Something we DON'T have now.

Yeah, Gore would have to buck up and endure the slings and arrows, but there's redemption along that path, too.

NGU.

[acmavm]

26. Quit worrying about what "THEY" will say. And Gore cannot be perceived

as a poor loser because HE WON.

We are all losing because we care so damn much about 'perception'. Well here's some news. Dems are considered weak on defense and terrorism. Why shouldn't they be? They won't even DEFEND THEIR OWN PARTY, gotta keep raking in that corporate money don't ya know!!??

Look at it this way, the media and the rethugs are gonna bad mouth us anyway. We need speak up so that we can pick the topic of their conversations. We can manipulate them and fire back at their bullshit. We need to evolve, develop a spine.

[European Socialist]

28. There's nothing wrong with being a poor loser if you have been cheated.

And Gore was victim #1--then it spread to 300 million of us.

[ClassWarrior]

30. I like that!!

Nice. B-):thumbsup:

NGU.

[NYC Liberal]

32. Carlin said something like that as well in his book.

Basically he was like, "What the fuck SHOULDN'T he be a poor loser? Being a poor loser shows that you actually CARED about what you were running for in the first place!"

That's what I like to say whenever I see that poor loser nonsense.

[The2ndWheel]

29. Ahhh, kind of like the

unitary executive of the movement?

[Peace Patriot]

33. The people would be so-o-o-o-o-o-o with him!

I hope he knows that. The people in this country are totally fed up, and they don't know know where to turn. And most of them still don't know WHAT the problem IS. They know Bush stole 2000. They have been kept ignorant of the Bushite corporate takeover of our election system prior to the 2004 election--with "trade secret," proprietary programming code in the new, electronic, election theft machines, and virtually no audit/recount controls--a completely non-transparent election system, that the Democratic Party leadership remained completely silent about. But despite that, and despite the American people succumbing to the ILLUSION created the war profiteering corporate news monopolies that the great progressive majority in this country is the MINORITY (created by their giving a Big Trumpet to the rightwing minority, way out of proportion to their numbers), that great progressive majority is READY for leadership that stands up and tells it like it is, with no thought for the personal political consequences.

It is a given that the war profiteering corporate news monopolies--who DOCTORED their own exit polls late on election day 2004, on everybody's TV screens, to hide evidence of a Kerry win, and who have become mere conduits of Bush junta war propaganda--WILL marginalize and ridicule ANYONE with ANY power who speaks the truth.

The question is, do you not speak the truth because of that? Do you pander to them, and cringe every time they trot out another Karl Rove (criminal and traitor) "talking point"? Do you even bother with them?

As is happening with the election reform movement--which has been entirely blackholed by the war profiteering corporate news monopolies AND by most of the Democratic Party leadership--it takes time, it is a slow process, to do word-of-mouth, Tom Paine-("Letters of Correspondence") type communication. If Gore is running for President in '08, he is starting none too soon. And I think the lynchpin of his campaign should be the impeachment, prosecution and imprisonment of the President and Vice President of the United States.

You can be sure that THAT will get word-of-mouth! It's what everybody's been waiting for--and working for--for SOMEBODY to get up and SAY IT, and lead the charge, and propose himself or herself as the replacement. Why would they be a good replacement? Because they have the COURAGE to speak the truth and to proclaim what justice requires in this case. Such a statement by Al Gore would set the nation on fire! It would be all over the country almost instantly--even with a complete and total corporate news monopoly blackout.

And if he ADDITIONALLY called for an END to rigged elections--and pointed his finger at Diebold and ES&S, as the worst manifestation yet of election system fraudulence--THEN we would have something. Then we would have a people--the great majority of which are anti-Bush, anti-Iraq war, anti-torture, and hungry for change--who knew what to do NEXT, who understood what they needed to DO, and who would do it.

My advice to Al Gore: Forget politics as usual. Forget the corporate news monopolies. Speak to the people. Tell them what they need to DO. Trust the people. Believe in democracy. Embody it.

[MessiahRp]

35. It only works if he isn't running in '08

Because the media will just paint him as a sore loser still otherwise and their previous mischaracterizations of him have stuck for some reason.

Rp

[Dr Fate]

36. I'd like Al Gore to run. He is what the primaries need- more fire. n/t

n/t

[saltpoint]

40. Agree with you on Gore's profile on this one but at the same

time a certain senator from Connecticut needs to stop acting in opposition to our party and begin doing something FOR it, so I'm calling for the otherwise worthless Joe Lieberman to get off his dazed ass and move to impeach George W. Bush.

Lieberman's seat is evidently safe and the only people he'd alienate is the Republicans who believe he's their little Indian scout.

He owes us big and this is his chance.