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lindisfarne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 05:21 AM
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Rumsfeld says $25 million to be paid to someone close to Zarqawi
who provided the info as to where Zarqawi was.

Hmmm. If Zarqawi had turned in bin Laden, would we be paying Zarqawi millions? Just who are we paying this $25 million to? Someone who's going to turn around and use it to incite opposition.

I'm not so much concerned about the answers as I am pointing out the idiocy in *Co's positions.
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monarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 05:23 AM
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1. Anybody think that the money will go
to Hallburton or some other entity that is already on the Republican payroll?
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Chipper Chat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 05:30 AM
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3. I heard somewhere that the payoff is going to someone named
"El-EdLay Thomasi al-Sugarlandtha"
Sounds familiar.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 05:53 AM
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11. LOL!
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 07:50 AM
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20. Or to fund more terrorism?....n/t
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 05:26 AM
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2. Link? Source, please.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 05:48 AM
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8. Rummie just said it
in an interview broadcast on NPR this morning.

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lindisfarne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 05:52 AM
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10. NPR Morning Edition Fri June 9. Sorry, there are about 2 dozen stories
Edited on Fri Jun-09-06 06:00 AM by lindisfarne
lists on zarqawi and for some reason, I can't listen to archived stories on NPR.
But go here and try for yourself.
http://www.npr.org/templates/rundowns/rundown.php?prgId=3
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ReadTomPaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 05:31 AM
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4. Is Rumsfeld giving 25 million to Al Qaeda? They fingered him, after all..
I understand he was basically turned out by his handlers in Al Qaeda and the insurgency.

Check these threads for more information..

"Interesting article from YESTERDAY: Zarqawi Scheduled for Martyrdom"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

"Iraqi Insurgents FIRED Zarqawi In APRIL For Incompetence"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

"AntiWar.com: Zarqawi's own organization dropped the dime on him."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1388108
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 05:32 AM
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5. What a way to fund your enterprise...... shockingly simple. n't
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Eugene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 05:40 AM
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6. Very interesting since they also claim that...
the capture of last week's #2 guy, Kassim al-Ani, tipped U.S. forces off
to al Qaeda in Iraq's spritual leader, who lead them to Baqouba.

Deputy Unwittingly Led Troops to al-Zarqawi - AP
After a three-year hunt, US kills Iraq target number one - The Guardian

The news wires have been buzzing with the blow-by-blow details all morning.
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 05:47 AM
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7. is that my tax money they are using to pay someone 25 mill when i want my
tax money to pay for health care, education at all levels including higher education, art in the parks and so many other worthy projects. i don't want one single penny of my tax dollars to go to paying for bush's war. i don't want my tax dollars to pay for one more spilled drop of blood. i don't want bush to put his damn dirty hands on anyone penny of my hard earned tax dollar. i want booooooosh and all the crap which passess for his government vaaaaaaaaaaanished from the white house.



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lindisfarne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 05:53 AM
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12. Well, as they were probably spending something like a million a day
tracking him (if he exists), killing him actually saves money.

Interesting, though, that the US is likely giving money to al qaida - who else would be "close" to zarqawi.
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 06:13 AM
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17. bush's patriotic stance, his american flag on his lapel, all of that is
just a gimmick to him which he uses to his advantage to pursue oil, dollars, power, and control.

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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 05:50 AM
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9. And it is not to be told who, right? All crooks I swear.
Why are we handing out money for these things when our service people are getting hit for doing their jobs with out a cent of rewards? OH that right. It is our money and not Bush's so he can do what he wants with it.
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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 05:54 AM
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13. So, all their spying and trashing my civil liberties - and still the only
way they catch a terrorist is by someone in the guy's own group turning him in for reward money?

Does this mean the NSA will stop monitoring who I call now?
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lindisfarne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 05:56 AM
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14. NY Times: al qaeda member helped get Zarqawi
An informant inside Al Qaeda provided the critical piece of intelligence that led them to Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, according to a Pentagon official.


http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/09/world/middleeast/09raid.html?ei=5094&en=25d0e9ccfd9a7e6d&hp=&ex=1149912000&partner=homepage&pagewanted=print

According to a Pentagon official, the Americans finally got one. The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because details of the raid are classified, said that an Iraqi informant inside Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia provided the critical piece of intelligence about Mr. Rahman's meeting with Mr. Zarqawi. The source's identity was not clear — nor was it clear how that source was able to pinpoint Mr. Zarqawi's location without getting killed himself.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 06:01 AM
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15. And I'm betting NO reporter is asking this question, either, correct?
How fucking hard is it to figure out that OUR government is probably paying an al-Qaeda operative - or some other terrorist - $25 million?

Who else would be close enough to this man to tip off that he'd be meeting with some of his operatives at a private home?

What a sad state of media affairs we have in this country. :grr:
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lindisfarne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 06:04 AM
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16. Another Morning Ed. story has a clip of Rumsfeld saying "this will have a
significant effect on al=qaeda."

Yes, al=gaeda will have $25 million more for their cause.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 06:21 AM
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18. Look at this in the context of larger events.
Edited on Fri Jun-09-06 06:52 AM by leveymg
Who benefits most from this? Okay, maybe some mole within AQ gets $25 million, but think of the timing. They've been waiting a while to use this card. So, what's happened lately that would warrant dropping the Zarqawi card now?

The U.S. just turned down the drum beats toward war with Iran, and Tehran indicates that it may take the carrots being offered by the EU3, Russia and China. What does Iran have to do with this, you might ask? Everything.

Think about it. Before the November elections, the Administration now gets to claim "stabilization" in Iraq and a "stand-down" by Iran over nukes (we'll see some sort of deal cut), while Iran gets what was inevitable from that day in March 2003: a new western province.

It also avoids a knock-down, drag-out with the Joint Chiefs over attacking Iran, something the uniforms are dead-set against.

This outcome that benefits Iran and BushCo wasn't so hard to foresee when we got into this mess: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/2/23/13411/1965

The whole bloody Iraqi occupation was over the terms by which the U.S. and Iran would divide Iraq. We end up with the short end of that stick. Dubya's circle of genius advisors did it again! They're trying to spin this one, but within a few months are going to be given a military tribunal, a hankerchief, and a last cigar.

They could have killed Zarqawi years ago, but opted not to because of politics. Even when you're way ahead in the game, to use H2O Man's chess metaphor, you need to keep track of the pawns on the board. In the right hands, pawns if they last long enough can advance to become queens. This mistake can turn the game around, as did Zarqawi with his politically skillful use of IEDs and truck bombs.

When did the CIA actually lose control of Zarqawi? My guess would be that the bombing of the UN compound wasn't expected at Langley. Can we date it from 08/19/2003?

More recently, certainly since mid-2004, there's very little that goes on around Baghdad that Iran doesn't have a really good picture of. Outside the Green Zone, far better than we do.

This week seemed a good time to trade some pieces.

That brings us to the central question about Zarqawi: why did the White House let Zarqawi run loose? This wouldn't be the first time targets were skipped over by the geniuses who run this President for political reasons, and the results were disaster. One can easily conclude that was the very reason that 9/11 happened. See, my comment at the end of the string: The Next Hurrah: "Pigs Fly and emptywheel Believes Judy" http://thenexthurrah.typepad.com/... ... h/2006/05/pigs_fly_and_em.html

I have problems with David Corn sometimes, but on this he may be right two years ago when he reported: http://www.thenation.com/blogs/capitalgames?pid=1501

on March 2, NBC News reported that "long before the war the Bush administration had several chances to wipe out terrorist operation and perhaps kill Zarqawi himself--but never pulled the trigger." Three times in 2002 and 2003, according to this report, the Pentagon drew up plans to attack Zarqawi in his camp in northern Iraq. Yet
the White House said no. According to NBC News, "Military officials insist their case for attacking Zarqawi's operation was airtight, but the administration feared destroying the terrorist camp in Iraq could undercut its case for war against Saddam."

If this report was true, it should be big news. The White House had Zarqawi in its sights. Yet Bush officials believed that if they took him out, they would lose an argument for war. (At his presentation to the UN, Powell tried to use Zarqawi to link al Qaeda to Hussein.) So did politics trump a national security decision? Did the administration allow to roam free a terrorist who would become perhaps the biggest threat to American GIs in Iraqi today? Is Bush now playing politics with the truth by insisting there was a connection between al Qaeda and Hussein



More on my take on Bush's deal with Iran: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/6/8/74541/27082
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PaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 06:54 AM
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19. That's funny, someone was telling me.........
that no matter what "somehow, someday we will find them and kill them". They cited Zarqawi as evidence of this, and suggested OBL is next. I had to inform them that someone gave Zarqawi up, in all likelihood because he had outlived his usefulness.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 07:53 AM
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21. Dick Cheney needs the extra cash to buy his daughter's books.
Nobody else will buy them and they'll end up in the same dumpster as Tranny Annie's new books...
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ReadTomPaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 01:48 PM
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22. Kick
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 01:56 PM
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23. So, um, who's helping the terrorists again?
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lindisfarne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 03:15 PM
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24. The US has been busy tracking funds from charities that they think
may be being routed to al qaeda and freezing funds because it's illegal to support terrorists. Meanwhile, the government is handing $25 million over to AQ.

Does this mean *Co are breaking a law? Nah, that can't be it; there's got to be some other explanation.
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Jigarotta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 03:20 PM
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25. Cheney! hahahhaha. nt
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