I have problems with the Zarqawi rubble photograph

[rpgamerd00d]

Original photo:


200%:


1) Why is the rag/cloth in the foreground not burned?
2) Why is the cinderblock in the middle not crushed?
3) Why is the foliage untouched when its right next to the house?
4) Why can't we see the entire house? The pic is cropped.

Clearly, the weapons used were concussive, not incendiary. That would explain the total lack of fire damage in the photo.

WASHINGTON (AP) - Of the two bombs that flattened the safe house in which terrorist leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was killed, the first to strike was a type the Air Force has used for 30 years.

The second was a new weapon whose first use in combat was in October 2004 against - coincidentally - a building in Iraq said by the U.S. military to be hosting a "confirmed Abu Musab al-Zarqawi terrorist meeting."

This time they got it right. An F-16C Fighting Falcon jet dropped both bombs - first a 500-pounder known as a GBU-12, guided to its target by a laser designator. It has been in use since 1976, mainly as an anti-armor weapon.

The second was a GBU-38, a relatively lightweight bomb guided to its target by satellite signal. F-16s based at Balad, just north of the area where Zarqawi's safe house was attacked, have been operating with the GBU-38 for less than two years. Its smaller explosive power is designed to limit unintended damage.

http://home.bellsouth.net/s/editorial.dll?pnum=1&bfromind=2219&eeid=4972586&_sitecat=1505&dcatid=0&eetype=article&render=y&ac=-2&ck=&ch=ne&rg=blsadstrgt

If that tree in the background isn't even so much as marred, I can easily believe that a human that was next to or near the building would likewise be relatively unmarred, even though they might die from the concussive blast/shrapnel.

[freexone]

1. yep yep yep...

Same here...and why was he is such good condition after all that?!?!?
Nothing about this mess adds up!

[rpgamerd00d]

2. I already explained why he was in such good condition. Look at the tree

Its totally undamaged.

[Jigarotta]

3. that tree looks like a bad pshop clone job.

how that fits in I have no clue.
But it sure doesnt look 'natural' to me but then I don't know Iraqi trees.

[rpgamerd00d]

4. Keep in mind, I blew up the photo 200%. So, its a little distorted.

Original:

[deaniac21]

5. That hole was created by a MK 304 backhoe!

[liberal N proud]

6. More evidence to question the whole bu$h regime and media whore story

Here is a post from earlier where I too questioned the story:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1390497&mesg_id=1390497

[Freedom_Aflaim]

7. Bombs are not death rays

that vaporize everything around it.

They are just bombs. Some objects are right next to the bomb and become pulverized. Other objects are behind tons of other objects and are protected against being pulverized. Some objects get blown free.

Fortunately, bombings are quite unusual in our country so their is no "common sense" when it comes to looking at bombing rubble. We end up applying our normal senses and experiences to things that we have zero experience with and the result is that we draw the wrong conclusions about perfectly "normal" results.

There may be a conspiracy in the zarqawi killing, but an intact brick and unburned cloth doesnt really rise to the level of evidence in that regard.

[Mr_Spock]

12. Stop using common sense here

You'll be shouted down and all of your aluminum foil will be confiscated!! :D

[peacetalksforall]

8. The photo looks at a man who was punched, kicked and/or clubbed,

not someone who was bombed. I'm no expert in forensics. Just common sense.

[The Magistrate]

9. Then To Imagine The Effects Of Concussion, Sir

Picture a man beaten all over his body for many minutes with energetically wielded socks full of wet sand....

[KoKo]

13. What?

are you subscribing to the clubbing theory... That would be an excellent way to do it if one was so inclined. Wet socks filled with sand can wield a mighty blow...but not one that would be as obvious as a blunt instrument.

:crazy:

[The Magistrate]

14. It Is A Fair Metaphor, Ma'am

For the effects of blast without impact of shrapnel: a heavy blow by a soft instrument. Some comments on this matter seem to reveal an unfamiliarity with what sorts of damage explosions often do. My opinion on what an odd sound in an automobile motor might signify is worth next to nothing, owing to my unfamiliarity with engines, and for me to insist on "what it sounds like to me" to my son, who knows them inside and out, would be a waste everyone's time.

[KoKo]

17. It's a fair metaphor... just had to think about it and the possibilities

Since the possibilities given the differences in reporting would lead some of us with more inquiring minds to try to sort things out. Given that one has to be skeptical with anything out of this Mis-Administration and their lackey's mouths. Your sandbags analogy was interesting for my own speculation. Here's an AP blurb that's interesting.

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Zarqawi lived briefly after attack

BAGHDAD, Iraq - A mortally wounded Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was still alive and mumbling after American airstrikes on his hideout and tried to get off a stretcher when he became aware of U.S. troops at the scene, a top military official said Friday.

http://news.yahoo.com/

[peacetalksforall]

19. I'm not understanding - are you saying that that is the way they do it

over there?

Today they showed the pictures of the executioners of Michael Berg - accompanied with words saying that Z was the one who performed the execution. For some reason I never believed that those hooded people were Arabs, Persians, or Pakistanis.

For all we can believe, those photos that they say are Z could be nearly two years old.

We just can't believe anything. So we are left to our own detective work.

[partylessinOhio]

15. I agree that the man in the photo appears to have been worked over

with fists, clubs, boots, rifle butts or whatever. Not a bomb.

Also there is a lot of swelling in the face and around the eyes. Whoever this is didn't die immediately.

[countryjake]

10. All I wonder about that pic is whose body are those soldiers looking at!

Of the others who were killed during the attack, what was the condition of their corpses? Was Zarqawi the only one who lived thru the initial bombing? There are spots on the original of that photo which appear to have been fuzzed, near to areas that seem bloody, so I would guess that suggests body parts blown to smithereens. Funny all those trees and bushes aren't coated with concrete dust...was it raining?

[Mr_Spock]

11. Who cares.

I'm not even going to pretend that I know if this is the correct photo. There are dozens of possible explanations/answers to your questions, but nobody is going to waste their time pointing these out as they simply will just say "tin foil" and hide this thread - as have I. Some of the answers are so obvious as you would have to be deliberately looking for a conspiracy to not be able to determine a possible alternate scenario. This is sad.

[TX-RAT]

16. Well said

Pictures going around yesterday supposedly from that blast, showed house's all around, children's toy's and shoes When you see the actual gun-site video it's obviously in some type of an orchard.

[peacetalksforall]

18. I think tin foil is a useful item - you can even use it for hot pan

holders when you don't have hot pan holders.

I think it could make a useful hat. I would willing to wear one, if necessary.

I can't be intimidated by those who don't like tin foil hats.

Isn't it amazing that some people on DU want you to believe what comes out of this administration - just as little Republicans are expected to do.

Nothing has panned out in the Republican administration that warrants believing them. It is much safer to assume a lie and let truth bubble up if there is any. Along the way, it is wise to think for yourself and question everything.

It is an honor to be accused of wearing a tin foil hat - it means I am not a lemming. I can think for myself as I was taught. I get to determine what is genuine and what might be.

Condemning me means that someone wants me to get in line - their line.

Those who condemn tin foil are incapable of attending brain-storming sessions to come up with ideas in a committee challenged to solve something. The situation here is similar.

I hope there are others here who won't be silenced. Long live tin foil.

[woo me with science]

20. Also if you squint your eyes

it looks like a clam plate orgy. Definite proof of the Illuminati.

[Bucky]

21. Ha! Excellent! Needless conspiracy shit never sleeps.

They're everywhere!! Nothing ever happens like you see it on TV. People need to give the conspiracy mongering a rest.

[MazeRat7]

22. Trees dont have internal organs and are mush stronger than humans.

[Coexist]

23. I have no idea - I have never been to a bomb site before.