"N.D. to House Hydrogen Refueling Station"

[GreenPartyVoter]

MINOT, N.D. (AP) - North Dakota State University's North Central Research Center, Basin Electric Power Cooperative and other partners are planning a station here to refuel hydrogen-powered vehicles using wind power.

North Central Research Extension Director Jay Fisher said the electrolyzer-based refueling station will be on research center property south of Minot. Ontario-based Hydrogenics Corp. (HYGS), which is providing the equipment, said the project is expected to be operating later this year.

The electrolyzer process, powered by the wind, puts electricity into water and splits it into hydrogen and oxygen, Hydrogenics spokeswoman Jane Dalziel said. The hydrogen then can be used for fuel, she said.

"From stem to stern, it's a clean process," she said.

http://apnews1.iwon.com/article/20060114/D8F46KM00.html

[Hugin]

1. A ray of golden light...

Thanks GPV!

:7

[HysteryDiagnosis]

2. That's what I'm talking about.... and with the global warming we

may need to reduce the amount of water on the planet anyhoo.

[ThomWV]

3. Don't You Know This Is Pure Bullshit?

Put electricity into water! Bullshit!

Where in hell do you think they plan to get the electricity to make all this hydrogen and what on earth makes you think they plan to use water as the source of hydrogen on a commercial scale?

Bullshit, that's all this 'hydrogen economy' nonsense is.

Get this straight, coal is the underlieing power source behind this hydrogen scheme and in fact in any large scale production scheme coal is also the source of the hydrogen. So, have you heard anyone say anything about the waste stream on the coal side of the hydrogen nonsense?

Maybe its only water that will come out of the exhause pipe of an auto using hydrogen, but every form of shit that is being dumped intot he water and air right now at our coal plants will increase dramatically if this lunacy progresses.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

5. Hydrogen..... make your own

Making your own fuel at home. Here a Ford Focus is being filled with hydrogen from a small garage electrolyser (grey can in front).
Bjørnar Kruse / Bellona



http://www.bellona.no/en/energy/hydrogen/report_6-2002/22869.html
A research team at Berkeley University in California and the National
Renewable Energy Laboratory has shown that by starving the green algae Chlamydomonas reinhardtii of sulphates, the algae cannot maintain a protein complex which is necessary to produce oxygen during photosynthesis. The alga resorts to an alternative process whereby hydrogen is released. After 4 days of producing hydrogen, the algae are allowed to take up the normal photosynthesis process to build themselves back up again. Even though this can be repeated many times with the same algae, in a production plant it would be best to replace algae cultures from time to time so as to maintain a fresh and optimal culture for production. Algae have a very high content of protein, and can be used for example as animal feed after being used in the hydrogen production process.

The research team achieved an average efficiency of around 10%, which is a marked increase from previous attempts. Focus is now being placed on developing the actual process, as well as equipment which is suitable for technical production and selection of the right algae strains. Production tests outside of the laboratory will be decisive for the ability to develop cheap and effective production plants. Investment costs are expected to cover almost 90% of the expenses involved in this type of production.

The bacterium Rodobacter speriodes has quite successfully been used in the production of hydrogen from organic waste from fruit and vegetable markets. The bacterium has also been tested on sewage with promising results. The process is presently still in the laboratory stage, and a good bit of work remains to increase cost efficiency and general feasibility.

The Institut für Bioverfahrenstechnik in RWTH-Aachen in Germany has developed two different bioreactors that produce hydrogen based on whey from dairy products.

[GreenPartyVoter]

6. VERY true. Which is why we have to keep an eye on the powers that be

because there is the potential for a clean energy source.. and they are certainly selling it as such, but if you look deeper into it you find out it's no such thing the way they have it set up.

[colorado thinker]

4. Solar

We went to a seminar at CU in Boulder, one of the speakers said it would cost $47 billion to put the entire country on solar for electrical needs, eliminating fossil fuel consumption for at least that part of our energy requirements . . . Just HOW much have we spent on that god awful conflict in Iraq?

[depakid]

7. The vast majority of hydrogen comes from natural gas

Which in case anyone hase noticed- is past peak production in North America.

The scale issues are huge- and there are major technological problems even with small scale useage like this. Thus far, even processes like this have a negative EROEI- which means it a net energy loser.