Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Why is the Iranian president so anti-Jewish?

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (01/01/06 through 01/22/2007) Donate to DU
 
still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 11:58 AM
Original message
Why is the Iranian president so anti-Jewish?
He has just announced that Iran will have a Conference on Holocaust:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060115/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iran_holocaust

This is more than "just preaching to his constituents"

This is a premeditated attempt to sway the world against the Jewish people, and use his oil as the bribe

The world should boycott them



Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 12:02 PM
Response to Original message
1. My honest opinion?
I think he's a loon. A religious nut-case. We have our share of those too.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 12:06 PM
Response to Reply #1
3. To a point you are right,, but I think it is more insidious than that
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 12:25 PM
Response to Reply #1
12. What she said
he is a hate-filled loony toony
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 12:04 PM
Response to Original message
2. He is a loon. And he wants to create nationalism among shiites
in Iraq. And the USA has been sending TV over to Iran to try and build up dissidents. But mostly - he is just a loon.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 12:09 PM
Response to Original message
4. Most political demagoguery is aimed at the HOME constituency.
Edited on Sun Jan-15-06 12:14 PM by Neil Lisst
The level of antipathy toward Jews in general, and Israel in particular, is very high among mideastern Muslims.

I believe politicians are politicians wherever they are. In Iran, there are two groups that hold power. One group is the mullahs, and the other is the burgeoning middle class to upper class who are more nonsectarian.

Many commentators in America, both political and media, say the most stupid things about Iran. The most stupid one of all is that only the mullahs and their more radical religious followers want nuclear power and weapons, but the nonsectarian Iranians don't. It's the one area that both camps support, and why wouldn't they? Pakistan already has nuclear weapons, and that's all Pakistan has over Iran. In every other way, Iran is in a superior position to Pakistan. Iran has incredible oil reserves and revenues therefrom, and they are better located than Pakistan, who must also contend with China and India.

In my view, the leader of Iran is playing to the home crowd, just like Bush does when he talks tough to his favorite audiences. Unfortunately that plays into Bush's hand. Already, they're selling the need to do "something about the Iran nuclear problem."


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 12:10 PM
Response to Original message
5. Maybe he's trying
to build up a fundamentalist wingnut base.

Seemed to work for Bushco.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 12:12 PM
Response to Original message
6. He's reaching out to his most xenophobic supporters
Sort of like what the US right wing does over Latin American immigration
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 12:14 PM
Response to Original message
7. The same reason that Bush is so anti-"terrorist".
Give the folks an enemy and wave the flag (or Bible, or Quran), and it helps keep them obedient.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 12:18 PM
Response to Reply #7
9. being anti-terrorist is not the same as being against
an ethnic or religious group



Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 12:24 PM
Response to Reply #9
11. It's just a broader brush with the same ends in mind.
Keep the folks in line by giving them a bogeyman to fear. In both cases the "leader" is playing on the existant fears of the populace by demonizing and dehumanizing the "enemy". i.e. "Gooks", "slants", "nips", etc.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 12:16 PM
Response to Original message
8. he wants Israel to have a dialogue with it's self

and to face home truths.

that's what I got out of his Israel talk.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 12:21 PM
Response to Reply #8
10. he is talking about a conference on the "myth" of the holocaust
not about Israel facing "home truths"

This is about spreading anti-Jewish sentiments throughout the world

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Spinzonner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 12:33 PM
Response to Original message
13. Tradition
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TreeMonkey Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 01:17 PM
Response to Reply #13
17. Scapegoating
Edited on Sun Jan-15-06 01:20 PM by TreeMonkey
He is showing hes a good muslim. Although Muslims battle each other, and have a 50% marriage rate to their cousins/second cousins, because they literally dont trust 'outsiders', Israel is the invading non-muslim infidel, although Palestine was controlled by the British before they handed it over.


...Sort of like what the US right wing does over Latin American immigration

The US right wing SUPPORTS MASSIVE,ENDLESS levels of ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.


You do mean ILLEGAL immigration- dont you? IF you dont believe in ILLEGAL immigration, - we now have 300 million people in this country,-up from 280,000,000 when Clinton took office... and we will be at 500 million (1/2 a Billion) by mid century.

How many people is enough>? Why do you support right wing big businesses demand for "expensive" (to you and I) taxpayer funded cheap illegal labor?- Every "Liberal" social program is put under stress. ????
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
prescole Donating Member (416 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 01:07 PM
Response to Original message
14. In part, he was elected in reaction to Bush's invasions of Afghanistan and
Iraq. Can you blame the Iranians for electing a hard-liner when they have US forces to the east and the west?

Which doesn't change the fact that he's a reckless extremist who'll use fundamentalist Muslim hatred for Israel to his benefit. And I agree, he's a lot like Bush.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 01:11 PM
Response to Reply #14
15. no way, iran was happy when we invaded Iraq and Afganistan
they never got along with the taliban, and their the Shiite had be perseucted in Iraq under hussein

no that is not the reason. I think it is more to try and provoke an attack on Iran, knowing we don't have the resources, and unify the Shiites in Iraq to join in a civil war against the Sunni and us.

I certainly hope we do NOT fall into his trap


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 01:15 PM
Response to Original message
16. Iranian President to argue that Jesus, a prophet of Islam, did exist?
There's a court in Rome that is waiting for the Iranian President to speak.

If Islam includes a non-existent prophet, then maybe Islam itself is a complete fabrication (or "hoax").
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TreeMonkey Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 01:33 PM
Response to Reply #16
18. Good publicity
Edited on Sun Jan-15-06 01:33 PM by TreeMonkey
Islam is a "psychological construct", as any religion is. Islam never denied the existence of Jesus. Islam is an Abrahamic religion, as is Christianity. More specific, it is based on caucasian psychology, rather than the Hindu/Buddhist/ East Asian based religions. I recommend Alan Watts on KGNU tuesday 9AM, if you want some good insight into the differences between East Asian religion and the West. Islam is similar, but more extreme, bizarrely extreme. Islam, for example, does not allow ANY drawings or depictions of animals or humans. And you've all heard the stories of "piggy banks", and pictures of "Piglet" being banned in England recently, because of pressure from a few muslims.

Hes just exerting his power, like any leader of any country. Is the the GOOD guy? No, hes the bad guy.


The US is seen as being hand in hand with Israel, so attacking Israel the US, goes hand in hand. They have a crappy economy, so theres not alot else they can do.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 01:46 PM
Response to Reply #18
20. "Islam never denied the existence of Jesus."--> Correct. According to
Islam, Jesus was a prophet.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 01:44 PM
Response to Original message
19. The history of free speech from July 1991 to January 2006
July 1991: Japanese translator of The Satanic Verses, Hitoshi Igarashi, is stabbed to death.

January 2006: Iran's Foreign Ministry spokesman Hamid Reza Asefi said, "It is a strange world. It is possible to discuss everything except the Holocaust."

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
carolinalady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 01:51 PM
Response to Original message
21. Kind of strange because there is a thriving Jewish community
in Iran. I wonder what there view of Israel is? That might be the key to why he is spouting off all the garbage. A second thought might be to incite more insurgents to fight in Iraq. He probably realizes that George is in trouble at home and he wants to make it more miserable for him in hopes we will leave and his religious followers can get established in the new "Democracy" over there. If he gets Iraq and a nuke I predict he will go after Saudi Arabia.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
11cents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 07:36 PM
Response to Reply #21
22. Hardly "thriving"
It's very small now, and very vulnerable. A few years ago bogus charges of espionage were brought against about a dozen Iranian Jews (one of them a 16-year-old boy).

"Modern" European-style racism, OTOH, has been thriving in Iran since the 19th century at least.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Thu Apr 25th 2024, 10:07 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (01/01/06 through 01/22/2007) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC