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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 03:26 PM
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Feinstein, you are dead to me
I am extremely disappointed that Sen. Dianne "Ms. AWB" Feinstein has decided that she will not oppose Alito's nomination to the Supreme Court. Especially with all of her complaints over Alito's dissent on the Rybar case.

As far as I am concerned, Feinstein is now officially dead weight to the Democratic Party and the DNC. She might as well join the Republicans for all the good she's doing us.
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DanCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 03:29 PM
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1. Vote her out that would send a strong message to all the Dinos (nt)
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 03:42 PM
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10. Party Discipline
needs to be enforced much in the same way iths happening against Liebermann. That is, groups like DFA and Move-on should be raising money to support a Primary opponent against Feinstein. Even if the primary challenge fails, the message is clear...our support cannot be taken for granted, it must be earned.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 03:46 PM
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15. I think that
is one of the most important things for democrats to consider today. I note that post #9 asked for a link about Feinstein, and because I have not seen one, I am not saying that this is true in her case .... or not true, either. I don't know. But in Lieberman's case, as in one in my homestate of New York, I believe in supporting the progressive left-wing candidates in the primaries, to send that message to the more conservative democrats.
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 06:53 PM
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42. I'm active in the local
County party organization and I have yet to see them instill any disciplinte on the party elected officials (state senator and two assembly-persons voted with repubs on concealed carry). Generally they know we'll support them no matter what so they can do what they wish.

Their side of the story is that the demographics are so close that if they vote against concealed carry then the NRA will "come and get them""

I'm getting sick of it.....what's the use of electing Democrats if they're so scared of not getting reelected that they vote with the Republicans????

what a quandry.....
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 09:17 PM
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45. DU isn't the only place
this debate is takng place....this from the comments section of Jane Hamser's firedoglake here's what norskeflamethrower has to say:

Yes indeed...filibuster whether ya got the votes to sustain it or nokie t. But make no mistake...a filibuster will be a method for Reed to discipline his party, "support the fillibuster or explain to the voters why ya didn't WITHOUT DNC money". It's simple.

But we must keep the heat on Democrats...in fact, right now that's the only folks that we have some leverage with. So let's get with it, don't be afraid ta break a few eggs, even with yer friends and neighbors and...

KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION!!!
NorskeFlamethrower
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 09:26 PM
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46. There was a
good article in a recent edition of The Nation about the need to support insurgent democrats in the primaries. This is a relatively new behavior for many democrats, perhaps especially on DU. A few of us are old and moldie enough to remember what it meant to back Senator McCarthy in early 1968. (grin) But considering that it is not likely that we will see insurgents in every primary, it may be more important that we take part in high profile support for specific high profile cases: the best one I can think of involves Joe Lieberman. The more the progressive wing makes his primary opponent a visible voice for the anti-war movement, the more attention other sticks-in-the-mud like Lieberman will recognize that when we talk, they need to listen.
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 10:00 PM
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47. Don't know if you remember
but I think I once told you that I started my political career as a Republican in Florida in the '60s...back then WE were the progressives who were trying to overthrow 100 years of Conservative Democratic rule and corruption. I learned campaign organization from them.

Party discipline is their s specialty. If you wante
d to get ahead in the party you did so by showing your absolute loyalty to the party. If you don't, you're shuffled off to the corner
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 06:37 PM
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41. Her "world view" just doesn't match ours. n/t
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 03:29 PM
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2. So, how do we get rid of her?
Someone decent needs to run against her. Any takers here on DU?
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DanCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 03:47 PM
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17. I don't live in c alifornia but I'll contribute to a ladyhawk campaign :D
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 05:00 PM
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34. That's very nice, Danny, but I'm no politician. :)
I don't even play one on TV. :D
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 06:35 PM
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40. GOOD! Then you'd make a GREAT candidate!
:hug:


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Innocent Smith Donating Member (466 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 05:00 PM
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33. we don't
That is the reality. She is more likely to lose to a Repub in the general election than lose in the primary. And the chance of a Repub beating her in the general is close to 0%.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 03:31 PM
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3. Lotta good that does, considering you're in Kay Bailey Hutchison country.
NGU.


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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 03:33 PM
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4. "Never give up, never surrender"
We definitely need a Democrat to run against Feinstein in November.
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 03:34 PM
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5. We need real democrats to run against several repubdems
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 03:35 PM
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6. We definitely need Democrats to run against Hutchinson and Cornbayll.
NGU.


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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 03:36 PM
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7. Check out Barbara Ann Radnofsky - she's challenging KBH
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 03:38 PM
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8. Good. I hope you're volunteering for her.
NGU.


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radio4progressives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 03:38 PM
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9. Huh??? Did I miss something? When did Feinstein make this statement?
please site your source..
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Jazzgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 03:44 PM
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11. Here is a link to the story about Feinstein warning against
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 03:50 PM
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18. Here's another link
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radio4progressives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 04:02 PM
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20. damn damn damn damn damn damn damn damn DINO!
:banghead:
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 03:45 PM
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14. ...
"I do not see a likelihood of a filibuster," said Sen. Dianne Feinstein (news, bio, voting record), D-Calif. "This might be a man I disagree with, but it doesn't mean he shouldn't be on the court."

She said she will not vote to confirm the appeals court judge, based on his conservative record. But she acknowledged that nothing emerged during last week's hearings to justify any organized action by Democrats to stall the nomination.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060115/ap_on_go_su_co/alito_156;_ylt=AlDjtQQFLXDA.LRK03WQON5uCM0A;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl
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Patchuli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 04:25 PM
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28. She's not absolutely the last word in a fillibuster
is she? I know that I'm damn sick of her DINO ways, being her constitutent. I basically got a nonanswer letter from her in response to my letter asking her to fight the nomination of Alito. I think we need to toss her from office in November!
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 03:44 PM
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12. Do you expect her to tell the repigs that we ARE going to filibuster...
Edited on Sun Jan-15-06 04:34 PM by Cooley Hurd
... so they can launch a PR counter-offensive, as well as lay the groundwork for the nuclear option?:shrug:

Harry Reid and Chuck Schumer have both explicitly expressed that a filibuster is still on the table. I'm going to trust them in their word that it's at least still an option under serious consideration.

Check out LynneSin's thread from Friday. It's all about strategery.:thumbsup:
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Ivan Sputnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 03:44 PM
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13. Did she say
she would not oppose the nomination, or not oppose the filibuster? I'm confused. I heard that she planned to vote against Alito but not for a filibuster.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 03:47 PM
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16. She's voting to not confirm
Oh Dianne, you ignorant slut.
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 03:52 PM
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19. Read this part of the text of her comments


"I was impressed with his ability to maintain a very even demeanor," she said on CBS' "Face the Nation."

"I think there is an additional weight you must give to his background, his qualifications and his ability," she said.

The Washington Post, in an editorial Sunday, said Alito is "undeniably a conservative" but that nominees should not be opposed on ideology alone.

"To go down that road is to believe that there exists a Democratic law and a Republican law — which is repugnant to the ideal of the rule of law," the newspaper said. "While we harbor some anxiety about the direction he may push the court, we would be more alarmed at the long-term implications of denying him a seat."


No. Traitor Feinstein. There is no Republican or Democratic Law - there is only THE laws of the constitution, laws that this fanatic right wing nut will 'interpret' to baptize Bush - King George - destroy Roe V Wade and decimate civil liberties. A EVEN DEMEANOR???? Oh, he gets points for skirting the questions and not telling us anything. What the *&^&????

It is ALL about IDEOLOGY. The American people DO NOT share this IDEOLOGY and he will NOT represent us. He will represent corporations, right wing fascists, and wealthy.

Call her EVERYONE. Tell her what you THINK.


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Im with Rosey Donating Member (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 04:19 PM
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26. I have already sent email
I will wait until Tuesday to call. My email stated that I have continued to support her in the past, but that this is not acceptable and that I won't be able to support her again. I am worried about who might take her job but I will not vote for her again.
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 04:50 PM
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32. i also sent her a scathing email
i hope she listens!
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 05:02 PM
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35. I'll do the same, but I've sent her scathing e-mails before and look
what she's doing now. We might as well vote in a Republican. :shrug: Seriously.

One of my previous scathing e-mails told her she could be replaced. Maybe she knows something we don't? God, this sucks! :grr:
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Cascadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 04:03 PM
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21. JELLO BIAFRA FOR SENATE!
I think either a REAL Democrat or a third party person, a Green or Socialist would be good. I would personally pick Jello Biafra as a candidate. He ran against Feinstein for Mayor of San Francisco in 1979. He came in 4th out of 10 candidates! I would love for him to up against her again!


John
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reelcobra Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 04:04 PM
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22. can we run Frank Zappa?
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Cascadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 04:09 PM
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24. Frank Zappa is dead.
Jello Biafra is alive though!


John
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joeunderdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 08:14 PM
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44. He'd still be the favorite against Ashcroft. nt
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Caoimhe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 04:43 PM
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31. Welcome to DU reelcobra!
:hi:
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radio4progressives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 04:09 PM
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25. He certainly has the name recognition in these parts.. how about SoCal?
also a Socialist who registered Green tossed his hat in the ring right in front of DiFi's office ..

http://www.indybay.org/news/2005/12/1790710.php

but he's going to get squat for support, just the basics from the GP.

I'm just speculating...



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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 04:07 PM
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23. Last year 's White House Dinner
Everyone invited was Republican with the exception of one couple. That's right, Diane Feinstein and Hubby were there.... Need I say more??????
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democracyindanger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 04:20 PM
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27. People need to read the article closely.
There is not ONE SINGLE QUOTE from Feinstein that supports the headline.

I was no DiFi fan before this--and she's my senator--but there's no reason to get rabid based on that article.

Look at the second graf. It's written so that any thinking human being would expect the next quote to be the one where Feinstein acknowledges "that nothing emerged during last week's hearings to justify any organized action by Democrats to stall the nomination."

The next quote does, indeed, do that. But it's not from Feinstein. It's from Lindsey Graham.

The reporter baited the hook, and people bit.
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Patchuli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 04:29 PM
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29. Oooo, good catch! nt
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 04:36 PM
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30. Like lemmings.
NGU.


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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 05:03 PM
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36. I'll give it a read.
I guess I must remember my number one mantra: QUESTION EVERYTHING.
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O.M.B.inOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 06:03 PM
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37. Hey, how do you make a dinosaur?
Punch Feinstein in the arm.
(make a DINO sore. Groan!)
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 06:16 PM
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38. Your post is misleading.
"Sen. Dianne "Ms. AWB" Feinstein has decided that she will not oppose Alito's nomination to the Supreme Court."

That makes it sound as if she will be voting for the guy. She is
weak, but not that weak.
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 06:32 PM
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39. She has said she'll vote against the nomination. This article doesn't
quote a stand on filibuster, one way or the other, just her statement that she doesn't think it will happen. That's probably an informed assessment on her part. Looks like the J Committee is going to delay a vote until after Tuesday. There's time to let her office know how you feel.
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MODemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 07:00 PM
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43. I'm not sure if it surprises me or not
We surely do have a party of wimps. This is such a political move. Shame on her and the other spineless DINOs, drawing their paycheck, and not the least bit embarrassed.
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 06:46 AM
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48. Locking....
This post is spreading misinformation.
Ms Feinstein is voting not to
confirm Alito.



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