There is something weird about this Liberty City story

[RagingInMiami]

The Miami Herald reports that they appear to have been from Haiti and the Bahamas, not exactly known terrorist havens.

And law enforcement is saying that they talked about attacking the Sears Tower in Chicago and the FBI building in Miami -- but that they had no ``overt explosives or other things.''

But you would think if this was really "an ongoing investigation into a terrorist-related matter", they would have arrested them when they were sure to seize some weapons. My gut feeling tells me they never had weapons.

And the only connection to Al Qaeda is that the cops were posing as Al Qaeda when they went undercover during the investigation.

These people are probably just a bunch of wannabes. And the justification of the investigation is to send more homeland security money down to Florida.

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/14880185.htm

[babylonsister]

1. Color me skeptical, too. Elevating that terra? How many times

has stuff like this happened, only to be debunked the next day?
Speaking of, never did hear any more about those big bad terraists in Canada. :eyes:

[Jazz2006]

15. Initial reports are often faulty, incomplete, etc....

and it does sometimes turn out that they are dead wrong, too.

You're lucky that you haven't heard any more about those big bad terrarists in Canada ~ because here in Toronto, it's been a media feeding frenzy. (The alleged bad guys are still in custody, different dates for bail hearings, etc., by the way)

[wakeme2008]

2. This whole story smellllllls

:grr:

[annabanana]

3. Is there anything at all NOT weird about this story?

If you hear anything that seems to make sense, please, post it.

[NanceGreggs]

4. You got that right ...

"And the justification of the investigation is to send more homeland security money down to Florida."

I think you just hit that nail on the head. Let's hope it is also another nail in this Administration's coffin.

[AlCzervik]

5. i heard that Gonzales will having a press conference about it tomorrow

you would think if it's that big and of national security he'd be out tonight with something. This thing smells bad.

[unhappycamper]

7. Here's the key to Gonzo's speech tomorrow:.

If his mouth is moving, he's lying.

[eleny]

6. It's just all too well embroidered

Announced on CNN when Mueller was a scheduled guest of Larry King's.

[TomInTib]

8. Lehrer didn't even touch it. I believe it is all BOOGAH-BOOGAH

Sort of like an amateurish drug sting.

[Virginia Dare]

9. It smells like entrapment...

the FBI "infiltrated" the group. Supposedly they "expressed an interest" in bombing the Sears Tower and a government building in Miami. They never acquired the explosives and the "FBI informant" was making sure that they never did.

No evidence of any AQ connection, except one of them supposedly pledged his allegiance to bin laden.

Two things raise red flags for me: 1) Florida 2) Black Men

My question now is, what are they going to do with these guys. They are apparently American born. Do they lock them in Gitmo as enemy combatants?

[smokey nj]

10. Maybe they'll be the first vistors to the new detention camps KBR

is building right here.

[oasis]

11. "Infiltrated" or "instigated"?

:shrug:

[eleny]

14. "Black Men" : Code words for "Boogah-Boogah"

(thanks TomInTib)

Well, as people like Randi and Malloy always say - when the Republicans get cornered, that's when they're most dangerous. And they're reaching for the Willie Horton card.

[BuyingThyme]

12. Overt explosives suck.

[Igel]

17. No, they blow.

Somebody had to say it.

[originalpckelly]

13. I'm a pyschic! I told seabeyond about this an hour or so ago!

OMG!!! Look:
"Don't be too weird. Let's not provide Rush with material for his show like the Zarqawi crap.
I know I am basically no one, and very few people will listen to me. I know if I say act cautious people will call me a freeper (you're lucky you don't have to say that to my face, by the way.) I don't care, I don't want us looking like a bunch of nutcases. We should give Americans a clear choice: insanity and sanity.

There is a difference between airing skepticism and acting ridiculous."

"i don't see how your post goes with op. what "weird" are you talking

and why would you be assuming people are going to call you a freeper? and if you saw the news, why didnt you share what was said. wasnt that what the op was asking for?"

"And we're off...

"a conspiracy theory" is coming around the corner. Now "a conspiracy theory" pulls into the lead, oh he pulls the freeper suggestion! This is a close race, everyone stay tuned!"

"damn. are you talking about you... cause i didnt know what your

first post was about and now even more confused. is that your "conspiracy theorist"... the confused. wtf

i don't thinki have ever had an interaction with fellow poster quite like this before. really in laughter here.

wtf was the news story about? now really curious since i have been put into some "race""

"I'm just so sick of something happening...

and then people saying it smells fishy. We shouldn't trust what these people say, but not everything is a conspiracy. There are some things on the level. Right now people know very little, but yet they are already questioning what is going on, just like they did with Zarq. They made fools of themselves because BushCo had a picture of the guy dead. Only instead of making fools of just themselves, the pukes used it against us.

Now I think this is one of those cases wherein we need to be suspicious, but we have to be cautious so that if something wasn't on the level we can call it out with credibility."

"ah... i see. now i get it. kinda like you jumping the gun on my post

ya... i can see how it happens though, because bushco does lie about so very much. lol lol just like we jump the gun and go conspiracy so very often, lol. and yes, i am also one to wait and see. so i will wait and see about this story too.

i hear what you are saying.

thanks for the clear up"

"Sorry I wasn't clearer...

I knew this kind of thing would happen. I wanted to let people know to wait and find out more about this before we start talking about it. I don't think anyone will listen to me, but I guess I can try to help."

" i listened to you, when you talked, well

even in accusatory i listened, i jsut didnt get it. but i listened when you talk. i am a somebody, i assure you

i hear ya.... again. just teasing you"

"....

:-) Thanks."

I wished I had bet on this, of course now that online gambling is illegal the FBI would have to pull a search on me. :-)

[im10ashus]

16. Perhaps it has to do with this story:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1488147

The timing certainly seems strange. They are anxious to make the "war on terror" to look like a success in some manner. Perhaps they knew the Times was going to release the story this evening?

:shrug:

[RagingInMiami]

18. So local Miami TV news interviewed several neighbors

And these guys would go around the neighborhood trying to recruit people for their "karate classes". According to neighbors, these guys had beards and dreadlocks and would practice karate moves out in the open. They also would spend time hitting a punching bag.

Still, after an investigation that lasted almost a year, no weapons have been produced.

I wonder how many karate kicks it would take to bring down the Sears Tower?

[Patsy Stone]

20. When I first heard Liberty City

I was sure I was mistaken.

[RagingInMiami]

25. When I first heard Liberty City

I was like there is no way this is going to Arabic Muslims.

I thought it had something to do with the recent gang shootouts they've been having in that area over the last few months that have left several young black men dead.

[RebelOne]

27. When I first heard Liberty City

I thought, uh oh, high crime area. Someplace you don't want to be at any time day or night.

[shadowknows69]

31. Fight Club?

Was any soap found?

[Goat or Panic]

19. Waiting for the spin.

Very happy that a possible attack may have been averted but how this is spun will be telling.

Will Ann and Rush try to portray them as anti-Bush lefties?
Will Fox news try to claim this as an example of Bush's competence in the WOT?
Will this be used to smear all American Muslims? (Paging Michelle Malkin.)


The sting almost seems to have gone down early, (no weapons, no contacts ect.)

Sounds like a rush job perhaps for political reasons.
(Tin foil hat off):tinfoilhat:

[im10ashus]

21. Political reasons?

Here's one reason:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1488147

[Goat or Panic]

22. Another Political Reason

We're getting close to the November elections.


Bush is keepin' us safer.

[prolesunited]

24. We'll be seeing lots of interestingly timed stories

between now and November. I'm sure they have a whole stockpile of investigations and reports that they will be chaining out from now until November.

Psyops isn't just for citizens in other countries anymore.

[im10ashus]

37. It's all about the Rovian spin at this point.

It is not going to stop me from fighting back. And getting the word out. My own family used to be apolitical until 2000 when I got all the siblings registered and out to the polls. I am hoping that now there will be a trickle-down effect and they will start getting their friends, most of whom I know don't vote, to the polls.

[RagingInMiami]

23. Another reason they may have brought this out in the open tonight

Tomorrow afternoon is the big parade for the Miami Heat through downtown Miami. It starts at 2 pm. Thousands are expected to be there.

Don't be surprised if Alberto Gonzalez's press conference starts at the same time. And don't be surprised if the media switches back and forth from Miami to DC (or where ever that punk ass will be speaking from) to show the world how the government prevented a possible terrorist attack on the parade.

[RagingInMiami]

26. So now a man named "Brother Corey" who knows the guys arrested

Says they belong to a group called "The Seas of David".

And a man at a local Christian church said they would come in and ask for water.

Yet residents say the men told them they were muslims and tried to recruit them to join their group.

So if these guys are really Muslim, why would they call themselves the Seas of David? David, a jew, of all fucking people.

I wouldn't doubt that the people that told residents they were muslims were in fact the investigators themselves.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/AP-Terrorism-Investigation.html?hp&ex=1151121600&en=8f003f1b82fa7306&ei=5094&partner=homepage

[Roland99]

38. A brother of one of the men said they had a Star of David on their sleeves

One of the mothers showed a well-worn Bible and said he went to Catholic church.

[ContraBass Black]

28. If they have no weapons, no contract, and no Al-Queda contact,

What is there to convict them of?

[RagingInMiami]

33. Convict?

Maybe they'll just hold them indifenitely without charging them like they've done to Jose Padilla and others. Why convict if you can just do that?

I think the real reason they are being called out as terrorists stems from I've underlined in the paragraph below, which I cut and paste from this morning's Miami Herald article.

According to Stanley's sister, the group, which formed about a year ago, called itself the Seas of David. The 40 to 50 members consider themselves ''soldiers of God'' and are against the war in Iraq. Like soldiers, they incorporate discipline into their daily lives: exercise, no drinking, no drugs and no meat.

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/14882995.htm

[lamp_shade]

29. We should all hang our heads

After all... the success of this mission was, in a large part, a direct result of our government's ability to have access to phone records. Count on hearing "See, we told you" from at least one talking head. Maybe Gonzales will bring it up today. Oy.

[cornermouse]

30. I keep wondering how they can find these people and

apparently haven't found any of the homegrown paramilitary ala Timothy McVeigh groups?

[shadowknows69]

32. If they do start spouting off that these guys are alqaida

we have to start asking GW how that is possible if they're supposed to all be tied up fighting us in Iraq?

[Philosoraptor]

34. There have been dozens of such foiled plots.

What could be easier than making up a plot, then pretending you've stopped it?

You get everyone scared, and you look like a hero who did something, even though nothing actually happened.

Brilliant.

[Adelante]

35. RagingInMiami, did you see?

On CNN there was one interesting moment when a man wearing glasses who had very shiny skin was saying that somebody had approached, I think, Baptiste, if that's the one whose godmother was interviewed, and offered funding for anything they wanted to do. There was no followup to the exchange that I saw. Was the offer made by the plant, do you know? Or somebody else?

[RagingInMiami]

36. I have no idea as I don't even have cable

But it sounds like a plant to me

[Joanne98]

39. I don't even think they were wannabee's... I think they were just

really poor and were just trying to get some money from the informant. (Which I'm sure he offered first) This is a really sad story about being desperate in America. This is a new low for the Republicans. They really are evil people. I hope the world media shows a light on poverty in the richest country in the world over this. If everyone doesn't hate America now, they will after they see what goes on underneath America's flashy show..