The BEST, most comprehensive election theft link, please!

[Atman]

I've had a spirited, if not head-banging-against-the-wall, "debate" with a righty over the weekend. I have links to some of Truthisall's research on my own site, but I'd like a link to the best site which could be presented to the guy, offering the most evidence of election fraud in 2004 and even 2000. He is of the mindset that the fact Bush still occupies the oval office is "proof" that there was no fraud, for if there was, a grand jury would have been convened and the election overturned. Yes, I know, he's a simpleton, but that's besides the point. What are some recommendations for a comprehensive, in-your-face, here-are-the-facts fuck-you, kind of site? Thanks!

[acmejack]

1. Try this atman

http://uscountvotes.org/

on edit: sorry it took so long, trying to earn a living too!

[Atman]

2. Thanks!

Cool site. It looks like it will quite useful!

[Peace Patriot]

3. Well, I always begin with the fact that Bushite corporations--Diebold and

ES&S--counted 80% of the vote in 2004, using "TRADE SECRET," PROPRIETARY programming code in the new electronic voting systems, with virtually no audit/recount controls. Diebold is headed by a Bush/Cheney campaign chair and "Pioneer" fundraiser, who promised in writing to "deliver" Ohio's electoral votes to Bush/Cheney in 2004. ES&S is a spinoff of Diebold initially funded by far rightwing religious nut and billionaire, Howard Ahmanson (of the Chalcedon Foundation). Diebold and ES&S are run by two brothers (the Urosevich brothers).

That's really all you need to know.

Then there's http://www.solarbus.org/election/index.shtml, which tells you what happens when you have partisan, private corporations tabulating all the votes with secret software.

http://www.solarbus.org/election/index.shtml is an absolutely EXCELLENT COMPENDIUM of all 2004 election fraud information. The first page is organized into three sections: "Top Stories." "Commentary and Summaries." "Statistical Analysis and Exit Polls." I suggest you start with "Commentary and Summaries."

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Then there's: www.TruthIsAll.net. Not only did Bush's buds at Diebold and ES&S have SECRET control of the vote tabulation, the war profiteering corporate news monopolies DOCTORED their own exit poll data (Kerry won) on everybody's TV screens late on election day, to force it to "fit" the results of Diebold's and ES&S's secret formulas (Bush won), thus depriving the American people of major evidence of election fraud (the real exit polls), and squelching protests and calls for investigation.

TruthIsAll lays it all out, and proves it statistically, a hundred different ways. The real exit poll data (captured in screen shots) shows literally impossible discrepancies--astronomical odds against them--between how the real exit poll numbers fell and how the purported official tally fell, in states and regions. For instance, the real exit polls show impossible flips of a Kerry win into a Bush win, only in battleground states, and only in the east coast region (for an early securing of the election). Discrepancy from the exit polls would not--CANNOT--fall so unevenly. So, something is very wrong with the official tally. (This is not a contest between exit polls vs. votes. Obviously, the exit polls are a sample. It is STATISTICAL proof that the DISCREPANCY between the two is IMPOSSIBLE. Even if the exit polls were biased in some way, the bias would be consistent--not way off kilter, in favor of one candidate, as this one is).

There there's the unreliability, insecurity and extreme hackability of these new electronic voting systems: www.votersunite. org (see "MythBreakers"), www.chuckherrin.com (Herrin's a Republican, who demonstrates, on line, how to hack Diebold), and www.blackboxvoting.org. Also see, "All About the Machines" at
http://www.solarbus.org/election/archives.shtml#conyers

Then there's the Conyers report, on both electronic fraud and the outrageous violations of the Voting Rights Act in Ohio. See the "Official Report from the House Judiciary Committee on 'What went wrong in Ohio?'" (Conyer's Corner):
http://www.solarbus.org/election/archives.shtml#conyers

And the Government Accounting Office (GAO) report on the extreme insecurity of the 2004 election system, and the massive evidence of irregularities. Start with this summary (it links to the GAO report):
http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2005/1529

A few of the key findings of the GAO report:

1. Some electronic voting machines "did not encrypt cast ballots or system audit logs, and it was possible to alter both without being detected." In other words, the GAO now confirms that electronic voting machines provided an open door to flip an entire vote count. More than 800,000 votes were cast in Ohio on electronic voting machines, some seven times Bush's official margin of victory.

2. "It was possible to alter the files that define how a ballot looks and works so that the votes for one candidate could be recorded for a different candidate." Numerous sworn statements and affidavits assert that this did happen in Ohio 2004.

3. "Vendors installed uncertified versions of voting system software at the local level." 3. Falsifying election results without leaving any evidence of such an action by using altered memory cards can easily be done, according to the GAO.

4. The GAO also confirms that access to the voting network was easily compromised because not all digital recording electronic voting systems (DREs) had supervisory functions password-protected, so access to one machine provided access to the whole network. This critical finding confirms that rigging the 2004 vote did not require a "widespread conspiracy" but rather the cooperation of a very small number of operatives with the power to tap into the networked machines and thus change large numbers of votes at will. With 800,000 votes cast on electronic machines in Ohio, flipping the number needed to give Bush 118,775 could be easily done by just one programmer.

(There is much more.)

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One of the points of these studies is the NON-TRANSPARENCY of the election system in 2004--as well as its hackability and partisan control. Those who ask for "proof" that the election was stolen are asking a non-sensical question. The election system was DESIGNED to hide the "proof." Its results are UNVERIFIABLE. One third of the votes cast in 2004 were cast with NO paper trail at all (no recount possible), and the rest had extremely inadequate audit/recount procedures for fraud that can occur at the speed of light, that can be untraceable, and that takes only one hacker and a couple of minutes to enact. (Note: Tom Delay blocked a 2004 paper trail requirement in Congress.

That's why the exit polls were so important--and why their doctoring by the corporate news monopolies was so egregious. In a NON-TRANSPARENT election system, exit polls are one of the few tools for verifying results and checking for fraud. They ALTERED these polls to make them fit the results of a non-transparent vote count, thus rendering them useless as a verification tool (--except that some smart techies got screen shots of the real exit poll results--Jonathan Simon being one of the key whistbleblowers who captured that evidence). (Note: The pollsters later admitted that Kerry won the exit polls.)

So "proof" of 2004 election fraud has to be by "preponderance of the evidence." The "smoking gun" is an untraceable hack or hacks that occurred under a veil of secrecy. But the "preponderance of the evidence," in this case, is powerful, and, indeed, overwhelming. This election was stolen by hacking (3% to 5% of vote switching from Kerry to Bush, or vote manufacture for Bush, in selected areas), and, likely because Kerry's win was bigger than expected, Plan B: severe vote suppression by Republican election officials against Democratic voters in Ohio, and evidence of it in other states as well (purges of black voters in Florida, for instance).

It is a complicated case, which necessarily (because of corporate news monopoly complicity) had to begin with scattered reports, then floods of reports, of weird numbers and anomalous events--such as touchscreen machines changing Kerry votes to Bush votes (and almost never the other way around); analysis of the real exit poll numbers; and a thousand and more other details.

But if you scan through just the "Commentary and Summaries" portion of the SolarBus site, you will get the main arguments and evidence.

And I want to repeat what I said at the beginning. If you have a fraudulent election SYSTEM, then it should be the PRESUMPTION that fraud WILL occur, not the other way around.

[Atman]

4. Man, another excellent post!

Thank you, too! Just the sort of stuff I need! It'll be fun to ask them to refute this stuff with anything beyond Hannity and Rush quotes!

[Peace Patriot]

5. Have fun!

I want to say something here about the "grand jury" argument. I get this argument in several forms. One of them is: "Surely the Democrats wouldn't let that happen" (i.e., a Bushite-controlled election system, or massive election fraud in 2004).

On the election SYSTEM, the facts are the facts. The system IS almost completely non-transparent; the system IS controlled by Bushite corporations with SECRET programming; and verification, audit/recount controls, etc., ARE virtually non-existent.

So the issue is NOT what the Democrats WOULD do--in anyone's opinion. The issue is what they DID do. They let this fraudulent election SYSTEM be put into place without one word of objection, let alone the "burn down the capitol" fight against it that they should have mounted.

Ergo, we Democrats especially--and others--need to find out WHY they let this happen, and WHO is responsible.

Also, what this means is that the election was stolen long before the voting occurred. It was stolen back when the $4 billion boondoggle, called the "Help America Vote Act" (HAVA), was passed by the Bush Congress, and over the 2001-2004 period when these fraudulent election systems were purchased by the states.

I believe that there is very serious corruption involved, on the part of both Democratic and Republican election officials, and other public officials. Two of the prime suspects are Repub Bob Ney, who wrote HAVA, when he wasn't facilitating Abramoff bribes; and Dem Christopher Dodd, who may have been Kerry's adviser on electronic voting. A couple of other suspicious characters: Former CA Sec of State (Repub) Bill Jones and his chief aide Alfie Charles, who purchased Sequoia electronic voting equipment for Calif, then went to work for Sequoia; and Connie McCormack, head of elections in Los Angeles (and a Dem), who advocates for Diebold, and whose best friend, Deborah Seiler, was Diebold's chief salesperson in Calif. (McCormack headed the foul campaign to oust Dem Sec of State Kevin Shelley, who had sued Diebold and decertified the worst of their election theft machines prior to the 2004 election.) Yet another is Tom Feeney (Repub) of Florida who commissioned a computer program for vote stealing from techie Clint Curtis, prior to 2004.

The $4 billion HAVA boondoggle (straight into the pockets of Bush's buds at Diebold and ES&S) was also accompanied by lavish lobbying. Here's an example--that happened last August: A week of fun, sun and high end shopping, for election officials from around the country, at the Beverly Hilton, sponsored by Diebold, ES&S and Sequoia. (Connie McCormack was a featured speaker):
www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x380340

I also suspect some Dems of being so pro-Bush war in the Middle East that they DIDN'T CARE if Bush retained power in 2004. They DIDN'T WANT a president who was beholden to the ANTI-WAR grass roots, as Kerry would have been. So they sat on their hands, and let Diebold and ES&S count the votes in secret, with not a breath of dissent. Terry McAuliffe comes to mind. He DID sit on his hands, although I don't know if he is pro-war. Certainly the New York Times, and the other war profiteering corporate news monopolies sat on their hands, and breathed hardly a word about WHO was counting our votes and HOW--and then, of course, doctored their exit polls to fit the Bush result concocted by Bush's buds. So the so-called "liberal establishment" was way deep in the mud on this one.

And you have to wonder about ANY Democratic leader who gives you a blank stare, and doesn't seem to give a crap, about Bushites counting our votes in secret. Are these people insane--or what?

Re: the hypothesized "grand jury." One answer to the "grand jury" argument is that the "smoking gun" is an untraceable hack or hacks. So who are you going to convict? There were plenty of VISIBLE violations of the Voting Rights Act--egregious ones--in Ohio, but Ohio is a Republican tyranny. Bushites own the courts, the state house, the legislature, and even the Democrats. I'm not kidding about tyranny. In order to have a grand jury, you have to have an HONEST prosecutor and/or attorney general! Is there an honest government official in the whole state of Ohio? If there is, they are hiding out. (I recall there was one woman on an elections board who whistleblew--to Conyers--and then was relentlessly persecuted.)

Anyway, I think the grand juries, when they come--and the prosecutions, when they come--are going to be of secretaries of state and election officials who bought these expensive and fraudulent election systems in the first place, and took bribes, or made other kinds of deals ("revolving door" employment, etc.) in violation of the law--or possibly who "certified" election results knowing they were wrong, or who permitted "uncertified" equipment and electronic "patches" again in violation of laws. And these are things that are coming out NOW (or started being investigated months after the elections). How could anybody have gotten it together, legally--in multiple jurisdictions--right after the election, if the Democratic Party didn't give a damn? (Cliff Arnebeck and the Greens and Libertarians tried--with lawsuits and attempted recounts--but the odds against them were enormous, and Kerry's 180 lawyers, or whatever it was, simply vanished in the haze.)

"Certifying" the election is ultimately the responsibility of Congress. The outrages in Ohio alone CRIED OUT for a Congressional investigation before the 2004 election was certified, and Bush inaugurated. But again, except for Barbara, John Conyers and the House Black Caucus, the Democrats didn't care, and the Republicans--probably every one of them illegitimately elected--Roved their way through the Boxer/Conyers challenge with blustery "talking points" about "Michael Moore Democrats" (--which the DLC Democrats didn't mind them making).

And the "Iron Curtain" came down. The DNC (McAuliff) sent "the word" down to all and sundry*, and talk of election fraud was shut down at Dailykos and MoveOn.org , within Dem Party meetings and among officials, and on many of the AAR shows (Randi Rhodes and Mike Malloy would not be silenced--bless 'em!); Michael Moore himself never said a word; Paul Krugman went on vacation--so did Kerry; all the establishment progressives disappeared; and Barbara Boxer stood alone in the Senate as the defender of democracy and voters' rights, backing up Conyers and the Black Caucus.

What a shame and disgrace--and to have to think of this on Martin Luther King Day. It's galling. They wouldn't even defend black voting rights!

Anyway, that's my rant against my political party, lo these 40 years--the Democrats. They failed us, catastrophically. As did the press. As did the Congress. As did the courts. As did our election officials. System MELTDOWN, is what happened.

As for the Bushites, I DO hope there is a Hell in the Afterlife, where the God whose name they use to slaughter innocent people and to torture prisoners, and to destroy countries, will think up an appropriate punishment to cleanse their souls for their next lives as cockroaches.

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*(Note: I don't know this for a fact--just by its effects. An "Iron Curtain" came down. No talk of election fraud permitted. Just the way the corporate news monopolies black-hole important stories or marginalize them. That's how it felt. And it was the Democratic hierarchy doing it.)