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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 12:16 PM
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Need a good laugh? Heritage Inst. is trying to say MLK was conservative??!
http://www.heritage.org/

"It is time for conservatives to lay claim to the legacy of the Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr.," writes Carolyn Garris. "King's core beliefs, such as the power and necessity of faith-based association and self-government based on absolute truth and moral law, are profoundly conservative."

From the principles of the American Founding to moral law to civic responsibility to individual equality, Martin Luther King's teachings embodied ideals that are today espoused by conservatives.

Dr. King's dream for America echoes that of the Founders: "all men are created equal and endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights that among them are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." Concludes Garris, "It is still a dream worth pursuing."


:rofl:

Who the hell are they trying to kid?
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 12:21 PM
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1. Well, now, he died in
68. We have changed a lot socially since then, and it is my guess he would have changed, too. Sadly we didn't get the chance to find out.

But if you took his views then and looked at them in light of today's changes, they would have looked conservative. So would have JFK, LBJ, etc.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 01:43 PM
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13. Yes but consider the republicans from back in that time
they were not the rabid right-wing fundies that they are today.

Everything has changed today but a right-wing website shouldn't be trying to claim MLK - that's just a joke
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jeff30997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 12:21 PM
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2. Yeah and Rush Blimpbutt is a Liberal.
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Bluzmann57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 12:22 PM
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3. Except Dr. King wasn't out for money
or power and he was nonviolent. These people are far from those principles.
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DiverDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 12:22 PM
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4. THATS where that came from!
Edited on Mon Jan-16-06 12:23 PM by DiverDave
Some guy on cspan this morning said that he was a republican...I just said "WHAA"
The talking point is out there.
Oh, the smug repuke lady said "yes, yes he was"
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 12:24 PM
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5. Conservatives are the type of people (mostly white)...
that would lock the car door if the saw a black person driving next to them. They think black people are stupid and lazy. They might not openly admit as much anymore, but I still hear it.

I am a white male.
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 12:28 PM
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6. Check out this question on pollingreport.com
http://www.pollingreport.com/race.htm

"Do you feel that Martin Luther King Jr.'s birthday should be a national holiday, or not?"

How many that said no (27% of whites) do you think are Republicans or Conservatives?

I would guess at least 85%.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 12:28 PM
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7. hA-hA-hA -- They obviously never heard his later Economic Justice speeches
Edited on Mon Jan-16-06 12:30 PM by Armstead
In his later years Dr. King became increasingly disgusted with the direction of the corporate economy of the US, and called for widespread economic reform in the spirit of liberal/progressive activism.

He had reached the conclusion that true equality and opportunity -- AND HIS CHRISTIAN VALUES -- would be impossible if there were not interventiontion in corporate capitalism and a shift in economic priorities and values.

Some of these speeches are especially relevant today. I don't have time to dig any out, but I will try to provide some excerpts and links later on.

The claiming of the mantle of Dr. MLK by conservatives is delusional and/or intellectually dishonest on their part.
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 12:30 PM
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8. Wingnuts say this in public
In private, they post racist shit about what a womanizer MLK was, and how much they resent that "those people" get a holiday.

Fuck them.
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 12:32 PM
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9. Sure...
and 98% of black people oppose Bush(from a poll taken after Katrina hit).

Let's see, white conservatives won't hire black people, they don't want them living in their neighborhoods, they want to cut almost all programs supporting poor black people, but they want to take on MLK as one of their own.

:rofl:
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Minnesota_Lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 12:34 PM
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10. The rightwingers spent years attacking MLK's character...
Edited on Mon Jan-16-06 12:37 PM by Minnesota_Lib
...(womanizing anti-American commie, etc) and now that they have failed to soil his memory they are trying to co-opt him as one of their own. It's kind of like how they have started trying in the last few years to paint Hitler as a leftie, Nazism as a liberal political philosophy, and liberals as the pro-slavery racists of the past and WWII appeasers (talk about projection LOL).

Expect to hear the MLK=rightwing conservative nonsense a lot in the coming years. Repeating lies until the lies become truth is the modus operandi of the right these days.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 12:34 PM
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11. There have been no "Great" conservatives...
So they try to appropriate for themselves our national heroes. They have been trying to appropriate the legacy of the founding fathers for years, and are now going after more recent figures.

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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 01:07 PM
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12. Let them read this
This is a segment of one of Dr. King's later speeches. It address ecnomic justice, and is more relevant today than ever.

Any conservatives who wish to claim that King was also a concervative shouod be made to read this.


From "Where Do We Go from Here?" 1967
http://www.stanford.edu/group/King/publications/speeche...

......The plantation and the ghetto were created by those who had power, both to confine those who had no power and to perpetuate their powerlessness. Now the problem of transforming the ghetto, therefore, is a problem of power, a confrontation between the forces of power demanding change and the forces of power dedicated to the preserving of the status quo. Now, power properly understood is nothing but the ability to achieve purpose. It is the strength required to bring about social, political, and economic change. Walter Reuther defined power one day. He said, "Power is the ability of a labor union like UAW to make the most powerful corporation in the world, General Motors, say, 'Yes' when it wants to say 'No.' That's power."

Now a lot of us are preachers, and all of us have our moral convictions and concerns, and so often we have problems with power. But there is nothing wrong with power if power is used correctly.

You see, what happened is that some of our philosophers got off base. And one of the great problems of history is that the concepts of love and power have usually been contrasted as opposites, polar opposites, so that love is identified with a resignation of power, and power with a denial of love. It was this misinterpretation that caused the philosopher Nietzsche, who was a philosopher of the will to power, to reject the Christian concept of love. It was this same misinterpretation which induced Christian theologians to reject Nietzsche's philosophy of the will to power in the name of the Christian idea of love.

Now, we got to get this thing right. What is needed is a realization that power without love is reckless and abusive, and that love without power is sentimental and anemic. (Yes) Power at its best , power at its best is love (Yes) implementing the demands of justice, and justice at its best is love correcting everything that stands against love. (Speak) And this is what we must see as we move on.

Now what has happened is that we've had it wrong and mixed up in our country, and this has led Negro Americans in the past to seek their goals through love and moral suasion devoid of power, and white Americans to seek their goals through power devoid of love and conscience. It is leading a few extremists today to advocate for Negroes the same destructive and conscienceless power that they have justly abhorred in whites. It is precisely this collision of immoral power with powerless morality which constitutes the major crisis of our times. (Yes)

Now we must develop progress, or rather, a program—and I can't stay on this long—that will drive the nation to a guaranteed annual income. Now, early in the century this proposal would have been greeted with ridicule and denunciation as destructive of initiative and responsibility. At that time economic status was considered the measure of the individual's abilities and talents. And in the thinking of that day, the absence of worldly goods indicated a want of industrious habits and moral fiber. We've come a long way in our understanding of human motivation and of the blind operation of our economic system. Now we realize that dislocations in the market operation of our economy and the prevalence of discrimination thrust people into idleness and bind them in constant or frequent unemployment against their will. The poor are less often dismissed, I hope, from our conscience today by being branded as inferior and incompetent. We also know that no matter how dynamically the economy develops and expands, it does not eliminate all poverty.

The problem indicates that our emphasis must be twofold: We must create full employment, or we must create incomes. People must be made consumers by one method or the other. Once they are placed in this position, we need to be concerned that the potential of the individual is not wasted. New forms of work that enhance the social good will have to be devised for those for whom traditional jobs are not available. In 1879 Henry George anticipated this state of affairs when he wrote in Progress and Poverty:

The fact is that the work which improves the condition of mankind, the work which extends knowledge and increases power and enriches literature and elevates thought, is not done to secure a living. It is not the work of slaves driven to their tasks either by the, that of a taskmaster or by animal necessities. It is the work of men who somehow find a form of work that brings a security for its own sake and a state of society where want is abolished.

Work of this sort could be enormously increased, and we are likely to find that the problem of housing, education, instead of preceding the elimination of poverty, will themselves be affected if poverty is first abolished. The poor, transformed into purchasers, will do a great deal on their own to alter housing decay. Negroes, who have a double disability, will have a greater effect on discrimination when they have the additional weapon of cash to use in their struggle.

Beyond these advantages, a host of positive psychological changes inevitably will result from widespread economic security. The dignity of the individual will flourish when the decisions concerning his life are in his own hands, when he has the assurance that his income is stable and certain, and when he knows that he has the means to seek self-improvement. Personal conflicts between husband, wife, and children will diminish when the unjust measurement of human worth on a scale of dollars is eliminated.

Now, our country can do this. John Kenneth Galbraith said that a guaranteed annual income could be done for about twenty billion dollars a year. And I say to you today, that if our nation can spend thirty-five billion dollars a year to fight an unjust, evil war in Vietnam, and twenty billion dollars to put a man on the moon, it can spend billions of dollars to put God's children on their own two feet right here on earth. ......

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