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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 12:38 PM
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Please, leave Mrs. Alito alone
The woman is not running for office. She is not the one being nominated. She sat behind her spouse to listen to the testimony as any other spouse would, including a liberal nominee. She is not part of his judicial record nor of his affiliation with bigoted organization.

That Jon Stewart made fun of her is one thing. But for her to grace the "Conservative Idiots" is cruel and shameful and, really, does not fit Democrats and liberals.

I ask the owners to please remove her. Put Lindsey Graham instead.

Really.
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Jack_Dawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 12:39 PM
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1. Agreed
Edited on Mon Jan-16-06 12:39 PM by Jack_Dawson
Lame to put her up there. Makes us look petty. Why don't we go kick some puppies while we're at it.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 12:42 PM
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3. Agree totally.
Whatever we may think of her husband's political and legal views, and however much we may disagree with him being on the court, we don't need to drag family members into it. I don't think the questioning was wrong, as a matter of fact I think they could and should have been a lot more aggressive given the danger of having this man on the court, but I think any spouse would have reacted the way she did and we need to lay off it.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 12:42 PM
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5. Agree totally.
Whatever we may think of her husband's political and legal views, and however much we may disagree with him being on the court, we don't need to drag family members into it. I don't think the questioning was wrong, as a matter of fact I think they could and should have been a lot more aggressive given the danger of having this man on the court, but I think any spouse would have reacted the way she did and we need to lay off it.
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zippy890 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 03:21 PM
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63. SHE's the one who's the professional backdrop
she volunteered for the job, & did a heckuva job at it,
so Rove wants her in every backdrop now.




see?
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 04:40 PM
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92. with the slogan: "making mrs. alito safe from liberal terrorists"
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zippy890 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 08:09 PM
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101. great idea!
i might just add that.

funny, too
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 10:59 AM
Response to Reply #63
106. Lol!
:rofl:
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Conker Donating Member (284 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 12:39 PM
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2. Look who she married!
I don't see how anyone can sympathize with her.
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 12:43 PM
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9. If you are going to judge people by whom they married
half the population would be put to shame and ridicule

Would you ridicule the wives of Pat Robertson, and Dobson, and O'Reilly and governor of Kentucky - don't remember his name? And the spouses of the Kansas school board?

Since when do we go after spouses? I thought that this was part of Nixon's dirty tricks during the 1972 campaign.
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Conker Donating Member (284 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 12:47 PM
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15. Yes I would.
"Would you ridicule the wives of Pat Robertson, and Dobson, and O'Reilly and governor of Kentucky - don't remember his name? And the spouses of the Kansas school board?"

If your dumb enough to marry these horrible people then why shouldn't you be punished aswell?The wives are just as bad as the men.Look at Laura Bush (perfect example).
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 12:55 PM
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24. They have been married for many years
long before they developed their philosophies. Should they now divorce them?

What about wives of CEOs that make millions while outsourcing jobs in their corporations and "reducing their forces?

Yes, I remember a comment that Hillary Clinton should have divorced him after he signed the "welfare reform" bill. Should she?

And what about the Nixon dirty tricks? Or are you young enough, perhaps not even married, not to remember poor Edmund Muskie, not understanding the intricacy and, yes, the commitment of marriage?

The world is not a black and white and certainly politics is not. This is why Congress is referred to as debating body.

Life and politics are full of compromise. The better you'd realize it, the easier your life will be.
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Conker Donating Member (284 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 12:59 PM
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You make good points.
So you believe that they did not know their views on issues before they were married?
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 01:10 PM
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37. Rather, views evolve over our lifetime
Hillary Clinton started as a Goldwater supporter (a point still being held against her on these pages); Kerry supported the Vietnam War; Goldwater himself was viewed as a right wing extremist yet he was a pro-choice and held other views that today would be decried as a liberal by the RWers. And Mrs. Kerry was a Republican before she changed her registration in 2004..

Many of the neocons, or, at least, their parents, started very much on the left.

While the RWers term this as "flip flop" we call it maturity.

Personally both my spouse and myself cannot envision being married to someone who voted for Bush (or Reagan). We have hard time with some of our friends and did, and we are glad that we moved out of state and don't meet with them on a regular basis. But I know of many divided households where the spouses end up canceling each other's votes.

Many wives (and husbands) just choose to concentrate on their areas of interest - like raising kids - and let them follow their own path. And honor their vows to stick by their spouses.
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Conker Donating Member (284 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 01:19 PM
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45. Yeah, views do change over a lifetime.
With some changing their political mindset or party.
"Many wives (and husbands) just choose to concentrate on their areas of interest - like raising kids - and let them follow their own path. And honor their vows to stick by their spouses."

Now I understand what you meant earlier.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 03:10 PM
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52. You're wrong with Kerry
He didn't support the Vietnam war. He went and fought in it and came back and PROTESTED IT with the other vets who disagreed. Mrs. Kerry changed parties before 2004. She was asked why she changed parties and she said because of how they treated people like Max Cleland. They treated him horribly in 2002. Not 2004. Please stick with the facts.
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 03:35 PM
Response to Reply #52
77. Sorry, sorry. I tried to get the message and missed a few facts
but, as with Mrs. Alito on the home page - a distraction from the main point of the argument.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 11:09 AM
Response to Reply #37
107. "Choosing to concentrate on their areas of interest"
is another way of saying, "ignoring their civic responsibilities."
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-18-06 12:11 AM
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109. You cannot define "civic responsibilities" for others
For many, staying at home, raising kids, participating in school activities and be there to offer comfort to the husbands is civic responsibilities.

And as long as they do not tell other women what their civic responsibilities should be, we have no place to tell her, either.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-18-06 01:59 AM
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114. "Civic responsibilities" actually has a meaning. This is not
Edited on Wed Jan-18-06 02:01 AM by sfexpat2000
a baggy category.

And I would hazard a guess that supporting a bigot who wants to make women's bodies subject to a criminal government's oversight MORE THAN QUALIFIES as not only ignoring one's civic responsibilities but actually sabotaging them.

Geezus.

/sorry, spell check is not working for me today.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-18-06 12:15 AM
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111. I can't even GET married because of bastards like this bitch married.
Screw her, him, their kids, AND their grandkids.

Fuck 'em all. Why should I care? Give me ONE valid reason, given my home state forbids me from marrying ANYONE I will EVER love.

Give me one. valid. fucking. reason.

Just one.

You can't. Nor can ANYONE else.

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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-18-06 12:23 AM
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113. 2,200 mothers cry for their children, who have died in Iraq so far...
because of the GOP's trumped up elective war. The GOP makes fun of crying mothers like Cindy, who have lost their children. Let the judge's woman cry us a god damned river, for all I care!

Why don't we see pictures plastered everywhere, of the mothers crying for their children killed by Bush's pack of lies?
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 12:42 PM
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4. The immediate response of the swift boat PR firm to the incident
sorta makes her a playa, imo
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 12:44 PM
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10. Oh, ain't that the truth
:toast: She set it up with the Swifties to deceive the public. Looks like she's still succeeding with some.
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 12:45 PM
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14. She has not control over the swifter. Nor, I would think
does Alito himself.
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 12:49 PM
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17. She colluded with them.
Edited on Mon Jan-16-06 12:50 PM by txindy
Or do you honestly believe the Swifties coincidentally had all of that written info. ready to go within minutes of her crying jag because they are remarkably fast typists? :eyes:
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 12:57 PM
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26. They may have colluded with Lindsey Graham
but I do not believe for a second that she cried on cue.

It really saddens me that so many here are willing to include her in the ongoing conspiracy theory - one of many that crowd this site.
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 01:08 PM
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36. Whatever you want to believe
She's deceived a lot of people. Go ahead and be sad for her. She's expecting it and delighting in it.

As for conspiracies, just because you don't believe something doesn't make it a conspiracy. That's just a condescending way to dismiss an idea. If you don't think something is true, that makes it a conspiracy? :rofl:
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 03:13 PM
Response to Reply #26
54. Go back and watch the video
If you're buying the rightwing bullshit you're just as naive as the freepers who buy their shit.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 03:12 PM
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53. Yes they do
They're aligned with them. There was an article I read here either this past week or the week before about how the SBVT guys were working with Alito and Graham was coaching them.
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imlost Donating Member (176 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 12:42 PM
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6. I agree!
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 12:43 PM
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7. Let's put the 'Swift Boat Conspirator' caption beneath her picture
That'll make it far more relevant. She plotted with the Swift Boaters to make a scene at the hearings, so she should be publicly chastised about it.

She's as innocent and uninvolved as Laura or old Barb.
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LA lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 12:43 PM
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8. I agree
These are the kind of things that wind up biting us in the butts. This woman has done nothing to us, she apparently loves her husband and her emotions rose to the surface. I don't believe it was planned or orchestrated and the mockery is making us look weak. We don't need to go after a spouse to get our point across.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 03:14 PM
Response to Reply #8
55. Welcome to DU!
Hope you enjoy your visit.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 03:14 PM
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56. Oh please
It's Graham and the rightwing media who's doing the shit. The democrats are focusing on Alito and why he should not be on the SCOUTS. Give me a freakin break.
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baby_mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 12:44 PM
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11. "Fair game"

Hawks kill doves. Doves don't kill hawks. Result: Hawks win.

Attack on *all* fronts.
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Prisoner_Number_Six Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 12:45 PM
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12. She's a willing sock puppet
-a mere distraction. I find it extremely easy to completely discount her.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 03:15 PM
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57. Exactly
Go back and watch the video and LISTEN to what GRAHAM is saying. This will show you why she was "crying." It's pure bullshit. Remember that the republicans are good at only one thing (in an evil way). Manipulating the media and their "message."
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 12:45 PM
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13. Agreed. nt
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bigscott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 12:48 PM
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16. i dont make my wife sit behind me during interviews
this was a stunt and BS - she should be home or at work doing whatever it is she does
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 01:01 PM
Response to Reply #16
30. And your interviews do not broadcasts live on all the network
news.

Nor do the decisions about hiring you are voted by U.S. Congress and, whatever your occupation is, the outcome of your interviews will not affect our lives for the next 20 or 30 years.


Will you have the same comment if this were a Kerry nominee, a liberal judge?
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 12:49 PM
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18. here we go again....
:popcorn:
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against all enemies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 12:50 PM
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19. She's an accessory to his crimes.
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Orangepeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 12:54 PM
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23. what crimes?
What crimes did Alito commit? Arguably, lying to Congress, I suppose, but I don't see how sitting behind him while he did so makes her an accessory.
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meisje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 12:58 PM
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27. Oh he'll commit some
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 01:12 PM
Response to Reply #27
39. We do not punish people for crimes they are about to commit
and be grateful for that. Be very grateful!
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 03:16 PM
Response to Reply #23
59. Than why don't you
Edited on Mon Jan-16-06 03:17 PM by FreedomAngel82
go and Email or call up Lindsay Graham and tell him that? He's the one who brought it up. The democrats have just been questioning him on why he was a member of CAP which is a very racists and sexist organization which he was a member of for fourteen years and bragged about it on a job application to Reagan.
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Orangepeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 08:08 PM
Response to Reply #59
100. what?
was this supposed to be in response to my post?

Being a member of CAP is disgusting, but is it a crime, much less one to which Mrs. Alito is an accessory?

I don't know whether or not Mrs. Alito was coached to cry. She may have been, but she'd have to be a pretty good actress. It seems just as likely that the right wing spin machine had a war room set up and was simply quick to pounce on an opportunity. They are quite good at that, unfortunately.

Regardless, saying that she is an accessory to his crimes seems unnecessarily shrill to me, given that I haven't heard anyone off this board accuse Alito of criminal activities.

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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 12:50 PM
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20. but she's a jerk
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zippy890 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 03:25 PM
Response to Reply #20
69. HAHA mopaul thats good
check out mine upthread at #63, she's become the
'backdrop of choice' now for bush
:rofl:
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 12:51 PM
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21. Oh please! Is she being seriously harmed.....
harmed in some way by us mocking her? She's an adult. Stop treating her like an infant.

The Republicans and their media have no problem using her crying game against us.
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 01:15 PM
Response to Reply #21
42. She is not being harmed. We are
for descending to the level of the freepers and putting her on the home page of this site.

We have more important and larger target to attack. This is petty. Even if it was "orchestrated."
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neuvocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 12:51 PM
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22. So you aren't suspicious about the timing?
You don't find it odd how the cameras focused in on her "pain and suffering" over the questioning of his qualifications? Didn't that make it obvious to you just what a farce that had all been?

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lindisfarne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 12:56 PM
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25. I agree the timing is suspicious. But we should be attacking the real
power holders, not her. Not much is accomplished in attacking her.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 01:02 PM
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31. Huum, that is what the Repubs have told us to believe


Poor little Mrs. Lielito, boo, hoo.

If she can't stand the heat than she should have stayed in her kitchen.

No, she sat her butt in front of the camera so that we could believe that she was a woman that would care about ALL woman.


Wrong, she is an extension of her husband. She is an adult and she allowed them to use her.

Her boo hoos affected the outcome of the "Hearings" in an enormous way to the Media.
She knew what she was doing.

She doesn't care a wimp about the Rights of women or she would not have given us the "lost in the sixtys, fake tears."

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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 03:25 PM
Response to Reply #31
68. And also I want to add
if she was "oh so upset" why didn't she leave right at the beginning of the little cry fest? That other person whispered something in her ear and she left. What-ever!
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 03:18 PM
Response to Reply #25
62. Than why don't you
tell that to the rightwing media machine who has been focusing on this? NO DEMOCRAT HAS! Jon Stewart is a C-O-M-E-D-I-A-N!
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 12:59 PM
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28. If she hadn't pulled that crying card
I would go along with you.

But it was so obviously a set up to gain sympathy for her scum of a spouse. So she is fair game, IMO.
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Mutley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 12:59 PM
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29. I agree.
Edited on Mon Jan-16-06 01:01 PM by mutley_r_us
A little ribbing is one thing, but I think it's going too far. But I do have to say that the following sentence is one of the funniest things I've read in a long long time: "Conventional wisdom would have you believe that Republicans are real tough guys; great hulking giants of men who laugh in the face of danger and fart in the living room of Death as they boldly swing their nuts across the land." Whatever anyone's political leanings -- people just have to admit that THAT is just literary genius. :rofl: And yes I would still think so if a Republican wrote that about Democrats.
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 01:03 PM
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32. Horse hockey!
I'm not buying into the "poor little wifey" scenario. That shameful performance she put on more than qualified her as a Conservative Idiot. She teared up right on cue, stayed put long enough for the cameras to get adequate coverage, then rushed from the room - a strategy clearly designed to have cameras focus on her.
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 01:04 PM
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33. Please, leave Mr. bush alone
makes as much sense
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 01:05 PM
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34. Please leave "me" alone
Edited on Mon Jan-16-06 01:06 PM by CatWoman
Fuck her. and her over the top theatrics.
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 03:22 PM
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64. Touche'!!!
If I were in a similar situation I would've left the room BEFORE becoming that emotional. This was a manipulative stunt designed to instill sympathy and to discourage tough questioning later. I suppose I should give all these women who help to enable evil a pass.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 01:07 PM
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35. And I ask the owners not to remove her.
This was staged. Wake up!
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 01:13 PM
Response to Reply #35
40. I second that. All of it. n/t
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 01:14 PM
Response to Reply #35
41. I am convinced she participated in a staged set-up...
Edited on Mon Jan-16-06 01:15 PM by hlthe2b
the Repugs can always depend on the tendency for DEMS to want to be fair, give benefit of the doubt, and to treat others with respect, even when they don't deserve it. Yup, the PUGS know this and CAPITALIZE on it, at our expense, on a regular basis.

I think it is time for us to move beyond our naivete'. Call a spade a spade. Kids are off limits-- no matter what, IMO. In this case, she's both an adult and a female. As an adult she should be responsible for her actions. Are we suggesting that as a female, she should be held less responsible? Enough patronizing, folks!
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 03:27 PM
Response to Reply #41
70. You can tell because
look at all what the media is doing with it. They're using it for "damage" because they can't focus on his record. Majority of the public polled don't want him on the court and they know this so they needed a diversion for people to focus on that and not on his record.
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 01:18 PM
Response to Reply #35
43. Yep! Fake-fake-fake-fake-fake...
Kudos to Admin for her entry.:thumbsup:
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Libby2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 01:11 PM
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38. No slack for a political hack.
Female or not.
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lindisfarne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 01:19 PM
Response to Reply #38
44. I don't oppose calling Ms. Alito on her show but attacking her only
diverts energy from attacking the more powerful players. Political energy is a limited resource, and I just don't see that much is gained from attacking her - spouses of supreme court justices essentially disappear once the confirmation process is over. (spouses of politicians are much more involved).

But if that's where you want to focus, it's your decision. I just don't think criticism of her will have any effect on how senators vote.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 03:08 PM
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49. Welcome to DU!
Glad you've decided to take an interest in protecting free and fair government.
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Libby2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-18-06 12:13 AM
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110. I'm not "focusing" on Mrs. Alito
I actually couldn't care less about her.

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Innocent Smith Donating Member (466 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 02:57 PM
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46. I agree
The Repubs are the ones that want this to get as much press as possible and to be talked about. We should ignore it and let it fade away.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 03:09 PM
Response to Reply #46
51. Welcome to DU!
Thanks for expressing your opinion. Hope you enjoy the visit.
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ernstbass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 03:03 PM
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47. She gets no pass from me
not after her staged theatrics last week
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 03:07 PM
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48. She's playing a game with the public
She's been putting on a carefully orchestrated sideshow to distract from her husband's problems during the hearings.

She's made the choice to allow her image to be used as a media tool to get her husband confirmed, so that shouldn't make her exempt from criticism.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 03:08 PM
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50. Oh please
Give me a break. It was a pure stunt. Why didn't she cry during the talking of a ten year old girl or any other time before? I don't give a damn about her. She shouldn't even be there in the first place. My parents can't come to work when I go for a job interview can they? Does your spouse come to work with you when you're going for a job interview? If she can't handle it than get out! So what about when they attacked Hillary Clinton? Chelsea Clinton? Mrs. Heinz Kerry?
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demgurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 03:16 PM
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58. I think the RWers are trying to play everyone.
Mrs. Alito is not so innocent and her history makes me seriously doubt that any of the theatrics we saw were true.

She IS a part of the RW conspiracy and as such she deserves deep scrutiny. She was a working wife until recently and the firm she worked for was a lobbying firm that had ties to - you guessed it, Jack Abramoff. The firm reportedly went under because of this commotion with Abramoff.

History says she was all a part of the RW conspiracy before putting on her public performance. The only difference between then and now is that the lobbying went on behind the scenes but now she has chosen to take her act public.
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 03:17 PM
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60. DISCUSSIONS OF MS ALITO ARE A DISTRACTION
just what they are meant to be. In the news, here, anyplace. A distraction.
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 03:30 PM
Response to Reply #60
72. "Look, up in the sky!"
Edited on Mon Jan-16-06 03:32 PM by madeline_con
Some of us can enjoy threads like this and keep our eyes on the prize. :eyes:

If you're distracted, put this thread on ignore. :rofl:

EDIT: typos suck
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 03:34 PM
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75. Thank you. This is my point
It demean us and take away from the important issues.

I wonder how people here would have felt had the freeper put Senator Edmond Muskie in their top liberal idiots when he wiped his eyes when his wife was attacked.

For the younger crowd, you will have to go back to 1972. Muskie could have beaten Nixon but the dirty trickster went after his wife, he withdrew, and the final candidate - George McGovern went unto a royal defeat. Yes, I suppose there are people here who even now would prefer a clear dove McGovern over a hawk Muskie but some of us prefer to have control over Congress and the While House and, by extension the Supreme Court even if the people there do not pass everyone's personal litmus test.
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 03:18 PM
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61. What a crock!
She was coached prior to the hearings and cried right on cue.

Whistle ass has his backgrounds prepared for his speeches.

The Mrs. was the background for Altio.
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DiverDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 03:22 PM
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65. Oh Boo fricken hoo
she did it for the CAMERAS!
Jeez, you were taken in BY THAT!!??
It was staged, get it? STAGED!!

so you coming on here and asking to take her off the idiots page is wrong.
I vote they dig deeper and put her up again.

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MODemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 03:23 PM
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66. She was coached; she left herself open to criticism
Maybe it's no big deal because she cried, but it did seem rather theatrical. :nopity:
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Jara sang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 03:24 PM
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67. She's a fascist and as such she deserves no quarter.
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 03:34 PM
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74. Thanks for putting it so simply and also
Why the F is she even there in the questioning? What is that bullshit about? (if she was at work-does she have a job to go to-or volunteering for charity or I don't know doing something worthwhile then she wouldn't be up for debate now would she-so whose to blame-us or HER?) Oh I know it's probably "always" been done-but in what other job does your spouse get to sit near you during the job interview? Just another way that the those removed from real life get to have their cake and eat it too. It irritates the crap out of me. Almost as much as her CRYING. What a goddamn farce. "They said mean things about my husband". Oh fer shame. Some people's husband's were lynched, LADY. I despise people that are that selfish, and have no understanding of people that have really suffered. If your husband ain't a racist, chickadee, then why the tears? Oh because you are a liar or in denial. Like all Republicans.
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Jack_Dawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 04:31 PM
Response to Reply #74
86. Oh brother
:eyes:

We're looking like the far-left paranoid crazies some make us out to be. She was crying, and it looked genuine enough. Piling on makes us look really, really stupid.

:beer:
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 03:28 PM
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71. She's fair game.
If she's a wimp, she needs to stay home.

How naive does a person have to be to think their conservative misogynist husband will be confirmed without so much as a peep from the Dems?

She went to show support, and cried to look upset. No pity here.
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kayice Donating Member (252 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 03:36 PM
Response to Reply #71
78. Odd she didn't cry until he was babied.......
at least she has more modes than that fake 'Mona Lisa' smile.
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AnotherMother4Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 03:33 PM
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73. She's a shill - totally bogus tears for stories that were already written
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catabryna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 03:34 PM
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76. I also agree...
I was saddened to see her picture this up this morning. And, you are right... Lindsey Graham is a much better candidate for the "Conservative Idiots". I believe it is below the belt to go after spouses. It seems very petty. Fortunately, we are able to disagree on this one. Right?
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 03:41 PM
Response to Reply #76
79. What if the spouse is a willing participant to fraud?
:shrug:
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catabryna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 03:58 PM
Response to Reply #79
81. I understand what you are saying...
But, being the wife (well, widow) of a man who was more conservative than I didn't make me love him any less. And, while I'm a very cynical person by nature, I am not one of those who believes her tears were fake. If the picture were to show an eye-roll, or a smirk, I'd agree that she should be there. But, I know, whether I agreed or disagreed with my spouse, that I'd be much more sensitive to the treatment of someone I loved who held differing opinions than myself, than would be to someone I didn't give a damn about.

Please note that my opinion isn't intended to be taken in such a way that I believe her husband was treated like crap.
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 03:44 PM
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80. Her false tears and the subsequent outcry that Dems made her
cry are the reason she is there.

I, for one, think she belongs there. She is a shameless hack to have used that tactic.
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Jack_Dawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 04:08 PM
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83. Can you cry on cue?
:beer:
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 04:22 PM
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84. Of course. Lots of people can.
How do you think they get actors and actresses to cry? They tell them to think of the saddest thing they can and when it is time to let the waterworks flow, they pull it from their memory.

(If you are wondering how I know this, I read sometime ago that that is what the directors/producers told Shirley Temple Black when she was a child, and then when I acted in college and later, producers/directors told me the same thing)
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Jack_Dawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 04:29 PM
Response to Reply #84
85. But...they're actors
I think Mrs. Alito is a...housewife?
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 04:31 PM
Response to Reply #85
88. Regardless. She is being coached the same way her
husband is. I bet you could cry on cue as well and I think you are a guy, right? And Shirley Temple Black, talented as all get out, was a child.

All you have to do is concentrate on the saddest thing you can possibly conceive happening and the waterworks will flow. It's not that hard, truly.
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Jack_Dawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 04:38 PM
Response to Reply #88
90. With all those lights and cameras?
Please! Way harder than it looks. I'm thinking about my poor murdered bunny from 6th grade in the privacy of my office and nothing's coming forth.
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 04:41 PM
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93. Not really. And, if she was coached by Creative Response or some
equally competent PR firm, it would be absolutely cinch-y. Additionally, maybe she is a little high strung to begin with? Her reaction was certainly OTT. Even if what was said DID make her cry genuine tears, why did she have to rush from the room? Wouldn't she have known it would create a bigger story?

Yup. She would have.
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stanwyck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 05:18 PM
Response to Reply #80
96. I resent her anachronistic portrayal of women
women like this mooncalf masquerading as the dutiful wife hurt the rest of us women. We work hard. We're loving wives, caring mothers, and excellent employees, business owners, and professionals. And how do we get portrayed on national television? As a simpering, bawling "I just can't take this!" 50's sitcom archetype nitwit who had to be "defended" by Lindsay Graham. Because we can't defend ourselves.
That's sickening. Especially when we have thousands of female soldiers defending our country.
She had every right to be there for her husband. But instead of running from the room like a drama queen sobbing, she should have bided her time, made a mental note of her disagreements, and then calmly addressed the press with her grievances.
My mother, a fifth grade teacher for 30 years, would have read her the riot act for her disgracefully self-indulgent behavior.
Real women built this country with fearlessness.
They didn't run from the room in tears.
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 10:45 AM
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102. Brava! I completely agree.
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-18-06 12:08 AM
Response to Reply #96
108. The feminist movement about women free to choose
if they want to be "dutiful" loving wives who are happy in raising the kids and taking care of the house and be there when the husbands come home from work - fine.

If they want to be equal spouse, when both support each other, both have their own lives and areas of interest, even areas of disagreements when they respect each other's opinion - this is fine, too.

Just because Mrs. Alito chose the first route should not brand her a conspiratorial ally of the swifters, put her as the leading conservative idiot and divert so much energy from the real battle.
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stanwyck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-18-06 12:50 PM
Response to Reply #108
115. OK. She's hardly the biggest
threat to progressive thought. But. I emphatically take exception to her theatrics. She was a guest and should have acquitted herself with dignity. She should have acted like an adult -- not a spoiled child. She acted like a drama queen who wanted to attract attention to herself.
Meanwhile, millions of American women lead far more difficult lives than Mrs. Alito -- without bolting from the room in tears. And having Mr. Graham defend them as though they're just too fragile to live.
Puh-leez.
This woman just gives the American Taliban more ammunition in their war against women. Hell, we can't even sit through very sanitized judicial hearings without falling apart.
Nevermind that thousands of women in the military face life and death situations without the excuse of such delicate constitutions. And without the steely resolve of the gallant Mr. Graham.
We don't resent her for her other-era "stand by your man" persona as much as we resent her portraying women as frail and overly emotional.
This country was settled by women who blazed trails - literally. They didn't bolt from the room sobbing.
She insulted us all with her diva behavior.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 04:05 PM
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82. I'm more concerned about women's rights than her staged tears.
I wonder how many real tears will be shed by women/girls deprived of their right to an abortion if her misogenystic husband gets his seat on the bench.
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grateful581 Donating Member (760 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 04:31 PM
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87. Bullshit !
She was putting on a act. she was coached by Creative Response Concepts to cry. Mrs. Alto deserves everything she gets. I think she could get a Emmy for that performance.
Mrs. Alto is scum just like her husband.
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 04:34 PM
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89. I agree with you. She was coached.
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Jack_Dawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 04:39 PM
Response to Reply #87
91. Very Rational
"Mrs. Alito is Scum just like her husband"

:eyes:
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grateful581 Donating Member (760 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 04:47 PM
Response to Reply #91
95. I am done with being rational
Edited on Mon Jan-16-06 04:49 PM by grateful581
If you want to defend these pricks, be my guest.
Oh poor old lady that is married to a bigot.
She gets no pity from me.
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Algorem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 04:47 PM
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94. eh,backdrop bimbo.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 05:27 PM
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Jack_Dawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 05:28 PM
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98. Do you exercise?
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Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 05:29 PM
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99. Please, leave alone those who think she's part of the problem.
Such finger-wagging.

I'll criticize her like I criticize anyone who is playing a public role in this disaster. If you don't want to talk about her, then don't, but don't chastise others who don't hold your worldview on the matter.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 10:59 AM
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105. Neil, see my #104 below. n/t
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 10:48 AM
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103. This is So LAST WEEK -
it's over, why does she have her own thread again?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 10:54 AM
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104. Please don't hold Martha responsible for her behavior or
for her partnership with that bigot.

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Zinfandel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-18-06 12:16 AM
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112. FILIBUSTER!!!!
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