Is Gore even running again?

[Craig3410]

I know if I was him, I'd be done with politics after 2000, so I don't blame him for not wanting to.

[babsbunny]

1. If you pray really hard!

He IS our President!

[WI_DEM]

2. He says he isn't running again

which is a shame.

[sweetladybug]

7. He's not a a quitter so I think he will run again IF the news media

will allow him to have his voice heard.
GORE 2008!!!!!!!!

[deutsey]

30. I was at the speech today...someone in the audience yelled "'08!"

to which Gore wagged his finger and shook his head no.

Maybe he's being coy, but it doesn't look like he's planning to run.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

3. He can't

He gave it away in 2000, refusing to request a state-wide recount, giving up as he did. He's a great elder statesman now, and he can do all kinds of good, but, in politics, he's done. In many ways, Al Gore is the reason we got Fuckface - he gave up.

He wasn't my candidate of choice, his judgment on things that mattered was questionable (IMHO).

It's time for a new candidate out of the Democratic Party. It's time for the next generation to step up.

[lonestarnot]

5. Why don't you send in the cat? Or a couple of cats please. Why are you

blaming Al for the Supreme Court Selection?

[OldLeftieLawyer]

14. Huh?

Why are you landing on me in those spike heels?

I'm blaming him for Fuckface - that's GWB, by the way.

Go change into sneakers. Those heels must be killing you.

The cat's out marching in the Martin Luther King, Jr. parade. Will return when he gets thirsty. (He never drinks in public.)

[melody]

6. Nonsense. Al did fight.

Kerry didn't fight, but Al did. He simply saw the deck was stacked against him. I think 2004 was the real wake-up call for him, as with many of us. Now it's a matter of fighting for our democratic republic or losing it altogether.

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[melody]

18. My rudeness? Your rudeness

I merely referred to your comments. You have made them personal. The very tenor of your post calls your claims into question and invalidates any further attempt to communicate with you.

Welcome to my ignore list.

[Mabus]

10. The case went to the Supreme Court, where was he to go?

I disagree. I don't think Gore gave up. The MSM repeated the GOP talking points so often that the reasons/efforts on behalf of Gore were almost non-existent.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

17. He gave up before it went to the USSC

He screwed it up completely by narrowing his demand for a recount and not demanding a statewide recount, which would have been the wiser choice.

You need to read about what happened, and in great detail, not overlooking the legal strategy and the timing. Gore's hesitation give Jim Baker all the time he needed to get to the USSC first, and, believe me, that counts. Timing, as they say, is all. Baker's team got to frame the arguments, and that's always defining.

Let's not forget Gore's support for keeping Elian Gonzalez here in the US, flying in the face of Florida law, pandering to the Republican Cuban-Americans in Florida. That was reprehensible on his part.

He also turned his back on Clinton while campaigning, and that kind of stupidity in political arenas is unforgivable.

He's turning into a fine elder statesman and spokesman, with good causes galore before him, and I think he'll play an important part down the road within the Democratic Party, but, as a candidate, he burned his bridges.

[Mabus]

20. I wish I was drinking what you are right now

Let's see, I believe it was the MSM that attacked Gore early on and never let up. The MSM media divas like Kit Sealey and CiCi Connolly did all they could to discredit and ridicule Gore during the election cycle. The MSM continued their support of Bush during the recount period from showing those daffy Jewish Dems who couldn't figure out how to vote to repeating the GOP talking points that the ballots had been counted and recounted. McAuliffe was ineffective. Where were the Dem supporters? DeLay rallied staffers of congressmen to go down to Florida and shut down the recounts. Where were their Dem counterparts?

Sounds like you've made up your mind. I disagree.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

21. It wasn't about the media

I don't understand what the media has to do with it. I'm talking about a strategic legal decision that had to be made in a timely fashion. It had nothing to do with Jews or talking heads or anything that you cite. It had to do with the recount, the courts, and how best to utilize the options then available to Gore.

Ultimately, he handled it badly. You might want to read up on how it actually all came to pass.

The media had nothing to do with Al Gore's final choice. And, if he were influenced by what the media were saying, then I didn't want him for a President.

Perhaps we disagree, but if you'd look at what actually happened, you might find that we're on common ground.

[Mabus]

22. From upthread

I see that you were on the legal team. Have you ever considered that although you may have been on the legal team there were other factors that were taken into consideration? Hell, the GOP opened up its pocketbooks and all its resources. The GOP came together but where were the Democratic leaders? Where was the DNC?

As for the media, it helped shaped public opinion against Gore even before the recount fiasco. You yourself recommended that I needed" to read about what happened, and in great detail, not overlooking the legal strategy and the timing" Maybe you need to reexamine what happened from a non-insider viewpoint.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

23. No, I wasn't on the legal team

Oy. Where did you get THAT idea?

You need to read more carefully, my friend. Especially before offering ill-considered advice.

And, yes, the history of all of that is quite compelling reading.

[Mabus]

24. I misread your post, but I still think you are being myopic

and I was only quoting your advice back at you. I guess it depends on how and where you viewed it unfolding. Here in the midwest my husband and I went next door to Missouri and campaigned (did registration, volunteered for office work, stood on major trafficways with signs, made phone calls, etc.) for the Democratic party there because it was a swing state. On election eve we had our own legal concerns, re: keeping the polls open in both KC and St. Louis. It was bandied around in court but the GOP got their way and got the polls shut down.

From where we were doing our part, we heard what people were saying. The Gore and Democratic Party were hurt by the media in 2000 during the recount period. Even now he doesn't get half the respect he deserves. No Democratic Party member does.

There were a lot of cards stacked against Gore in 2000 and I think it was the totality of the circumstances and not one lone decision that determined strategy.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

25. Myopic?

From someone who can't read?

That was hilarious.

You know, I've never given a damn for "what people say." I want a candidate who thinks like I do, or else we end up with someone like Gore.

Gore stacked it against himself in 2000, with the flagrant blunders he made, and, while I think he might have been a terrific President, he stepped on his own dick over and over, and that makes me question his capability for the office.

Right now, he's on his way to being a fine elder statesman.

And, none of this addresses anything in my other post. But, thanks for the story about your volunteer work. Very edifying.

Myopic.

You are FUNNY.

[FlaGranny]

26. YOU are funny!

You want a candidate that thinks like YOU? If you want that YOU better run yourself. But you, I've noticed from many posts, do not think enough like me to cause me to vote for you in a primary. ;-)

[OldLeftieLawyer]

28. Gee,

and I was SO counting on your vote, Granny...............

Well, there go my Presidential aspirations.

:::: sigh :::::

[Mabus]

27. Touchy, aren't we?

Sorry, can't agree with you 100%. And actually my glasses are broken so I have to squint until I get them repaired. It does impair my reading skills to some degree right now. I can admit that I'm not always right and look outside the box.

Hope you get some rest today. You sound cranky.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

29. Oh, it was the glasses?

So that would account for the impaired responses you've been typing out?

How could you possible answer if you can't read?

Hilarious.

Your glasses did it.

I see.

(You don't.)

Bet the dog ate your homework, too.

:rofl:

Cranky? Naw. Just amused by broken glasses getting blamed for a poster's lack of information.

But, thanks for the laughs.

And good luck with your specs.

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Renew Deal]

4. I thought he said he wasn't.

Sometime in 2005.

[Rhiannon12866]

13. I heard him say this, as well.

But, in politics, you never know. It's still early days, and anything can happen. And he really has been on fire, ever since the MoveOn speech in 2003(?). IMHO, his many supporters should consider drafting him, as the Clark supporters did in 2004. Whether he'd go for it, or not, is anybody's guess, but overwhelming national support could possibly sway him.:shrug:

On edit, I spoke too soon. The "draft Gore" movement has begun, right here on DU...:thumbsup::bounce:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=153441&mesg_id=153441

[tinrobot]

8. I hope he does run

Because he'd win.

[FreedomAngel82]

9. I think there are so many

different things going around. Some say he is and others say not. :shrug: I think it's good nobody is talking about 2008 but working on 2006 and doing what we can now in the moment.

[Rhiannon12866]

12. I heard him say that he wasn't running again.

And you can hardly blame the guy, after all he went through in 2000. But it's still early days, and anything can happen.:shrug:

[Clark2008]

11. Given the veracity of today's speech - I think he's not.

The man seems in a happier place right now - a place that allows him to make speeches like that - and that place isn't politics.

I love Al - I'm a Tennessee girl - but I'm not hitching my hopes on a Gore run.

[Craig3410]

16. That's what I thought too;

maybe, hopefully there's a place is the next Democratic President's cabinet for him, at least. :)

[mopaul]

19. that's why what he said was so beautiful, he's NOT running for anything