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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 04:56 PM
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Is Gore's use of federalist 73 common?
"....The Constitution's framers understood this dilemma as well, as
Alexander Hamilton put it, "a power over a man's support is a power over his will."
(Federalist No. 73)..."

http://www.algore.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=325&Itemid=78

From Mr. Gore's speech.

Is this federalist paper an "important" one? He uses this one to object to the
politization of the civil service. Is that a common reason for using it? Or
is he meaning the greater politization of the workplaces?
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arendt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 05:30 PM
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1. Hi, Sweetie! I don't think this FP is very common
The two by Madison, early in the series, on faction and separation of
powers (#s 10? and 18?) are most often cited.

I must admit that my eyes glazed over by #50.

But I don't think many people quote Hamilton to make liberal points,
as he was a pro-aristocracy elitist.

regards,

arendt
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 05:35 PM
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2. That type of person knows what power over
a persons livelihood can do.
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arendt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 05:36 PM
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3. Point taken. Can you respond to the original question? n/t
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 06:25 PM
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6. Nope, because I'm not that familiar with
the documents in question. But I do think my point describes why an "elite" would think of that particular response.
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 05:53 PM
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5. reading tea leaves
As a perpetual outsider, a common citizen, i haven't a clue the greater
interpretataions that the regal classes give the federalist explanations,
and which weights are given what credence, that when read by the courts in
interpreting law, how used 73?

What he's quoting sounds like the human right to reputation. But if spoken
by an aristocrat, such a thing could mean differently, regarding controlling
another man's slaves, or another man's commerce.

Here's the text of 73, it read's like spaghetti COBOL.
http://www.constitution.org/fed/federa73.htm

I love the interpretation, if i could find its contextual foundation just
to verify for myself what exactly hamilton meant.
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Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 05:47 PM
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4. That segment is sometimes quoted for that proposition.
He who controls the purse strings, controls the government - is the corollary.

I enjoyed all 87 of the Federalist Papers. Each one is important in understanding the overall picture. Plus, it's like talking to some of the key founding fathers personally.

It shows how far we have fallen, in terms of intelligent discourse. Can you imagine Wolf Blitzer interrupting any of James Madison two sentences into a discussion about checks and balances with "but Mr. Madison, King George says you are not a patriot! What do you say to that?"

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Matt Jordan Donating Member (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 06:32 PM
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7. Ha!
I like the Blitzer analogy!

Matt

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Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 03:21 AM
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8. No media type has fallen further faster than Wolf Blitzer.
He's slipped into that mode of desperation, anything to stay on TV.
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