Scathing: George Bush: Protected by Raw, Naked Power

[Horse with no Name]

This is an important article but this paragraph stands on it's own:

By the use of raw power, the lack of action by the Republican leadership reduces the Nuremberg principles, won by the blood spilled by millions of people, to a hollow, momentary statement in history, not a set of humanitarian principles that should guide the conduct of nations toward each other for some time to some.

http://www.louisianaweekly.com/weekly/news/articlegate.pl?20060116t

[Swamp Rat]

1. One of my favorite publications: The Louisiana Weekly

[msongs]

10. swamprat that is a great graphic! did u make it?

went to image shack to look but that page takes forever to load on dialup

[Swamp Rat]

14. Yep. Here is the companion piece:

[Olney Blue]

2. Powerful article. Thank you for the link.

[coldiggs]

3. I dont even think democratic leaders would say what happend i Iraq was cri

minal. It was a stratigic error. I just dont think there is any legal grond to say that the United States of America has to have the United Nations permission to wage war. John Kerry would not even agree to that.

[catnhatnh]

4. It WAS criminal...

I am a Democrat AND I say so...

[coldiggs]

7. maybe manipulating inteligence was but not just alone going to war with ou

t the UN's permission

[catnhatnh]

9. So it was FACTUALLY criminal.....

but...

[coldiggs]

12. no the article was making it sound like it was criminal because it did not

have UN permission. I disagree with that. It could be criminal though for the lies behind it.

[Richard Steele]

5. Fascinating. Please tell us more.

:eyes:

[Horse with no Name]

6. Strategic error my ass

We went to war under a pack of lies generated for the sole purpose of going to war.
Why would you expect Kerry to say it? He isn't stupid. He is an attorney and knows full well it isn't what you KNOW, it is what you can PROVE in a court of law.
Right now with a Republican whore Congress, there won't be any proof forthcoming.
However, at some point in time history will be the judge of this illegal war and the war crimes perpetrated by the United States of America under the guise of leadership of George W. Bush.

[coldiggs]

8. No what I am saying is that lying may be a crime. But just purley the war

with out UN permission is not a crime.

[Horse with no Name]

11. Breaking treaties is a crime

That is your word and your honor as a country.
Are you familiar with the Downing Street Memos?
Are you familiar with George Galloway's testimony to Congress that was shut down?
In the article it says
"The adoption of a policy of preemptive war against any nation is tricky, because it rest ultimately on the quality of the intelligence at the disposal of the war-makers. But there is evidence in the British intelligence documents that this war was intentional, therefore, even more of a crime against humanity, a high crime which is more than a misdemeanor, a felony in the eyes of the international community."

I am not sure what you don't understand here.

[Horse with no Name]

17. So you don't come back to defend your statements?

Just as I figured.
Facts are the best weapon.
Knowledge is power.

[shraby]

13. It was criminal...read your constitution...

we are not to wage pre-emptive war. The bogus intel leading up also was criminal..the torturing of prisoners was criminal. The Geneva Convention was a treaty approved by congress and as such became a part of our constitution.
As I said, read the constitution. There was no legal ground TO go to war.

[coldiggs]

the geneva convention only apply if we had captured uniformed soliders

[Horse with no Name]

20. Again you are wrong

Geneva Convention IV
Relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War , 12 August 1949.

Under Part I General Provisions
Art. 3. In the case of armed conflict not of an international character occurring in the territory of one of the High Contracting Parties, each Party to the conflict shall be bound to apply, as a minimum, the following provisions:

(1) Persons taking no active part in the hostilities, including members of armed forces who have laid down their arms and those placed hors de combat by sickness, wounds, detention, or any other cause, shall in all circumstances be treated humanely, without any adverse distinction founded on race, colour, religion or faith, sex, birth or wealth, or any other similar criteria.

To this end the following acts are and shall remain prohibited at any time and in any place whatsoever with respect to the above-mentioned persons: (a) violence to life and person, in particular murder of all kinds, mutilation, cruel treatment and torture; (b) taking of hostages; (c) outrages upon personal dignity, in particular humiliating and degrading treatment; (d) the passing of sentences and the carrying out of executions without previous judgment pronounced by a regularly constituted court, affording all the judicial guarantees which are recognized as indispensable by civilized peoples.

[bpilgrim]

22. the imperial japanese said the same thing during wwII in Nanking

you are gonna learn a lot here :hi:

peace

[coldiggs]

18. the geneva convention only apply if we had captured uniformed soliders

[bpilgrim]

21. exactly

and thats the fucking problem they, and others, appear to be clueless or bought off.

peace

[Tom Joad]

15. Very Important. Nuremberg Principles were violated. This war is a crime.

We don't need "benchmarks for success". We need to bring the troops home now. We should turn bush/cheney to international courts.
We should honor heroes like Jimmy Massey.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x153996

Read the Nuremberg Principles here:
http://www.tomjoad.org/nuremberg.htm

We have a duty to Resist

[mom cat]

16. This article is a must read. Thanks...K&R

[kiteinthewind]

19. Thanks! Great article!

:toast:

[Nikki Stone 1]

23. kicked and recommended

:kick: