Thank God that 76 year old man in the wheelchair is not going to make

[Thtwudbeme]

me feel unsafe anymore!

A blind, deaf, almost 80 year old man in a wheelchair to be executed---I am going to bed feeling so much better about our society tonight!

The relief I felt after the past couple in the US just can't be described on this website.

[malaise]

1. What cruelty to a now harmless old man

What is the fugging point of this execution. Good grief this is barbaric.

[acmejack]

2. Ahnuld was scared of him!

Had to have him terminated. Mercy is not teutonic.

[Flying Dream Blues]

3. Yeah, but karma's a bitch. Can't wait!

[Thtwudbeme]

5. I am thinking that you might not have a clear definition of the

word "Karma."

Therefore, you might want to look it up, for your own personal edification.

Stephanie

[Flying Dream Blues]

31. I'm thinking you must have misunderstood my comment.

What I meant was, I wouldn't want to be Ahnuld, or have his karma, after condemning a man in a wheelchair to death.

I'm pretty sure I have a firm grasp of the word "karma", but thanks for trying to edify me. I certainly didn't mean to offend. Edited to add: I'm strongly opposed to the death penalty.

[Thtwudbeme]

33. Heh...OK, thanks for clarifying that

Very cool response indeed!

Stephanie

[Flying Dream Blues]

34. Ah! I think I see how it was misconstrued...I was not very clear. Sorry!

[goclark]

4. The DP is barbaric and so is Aaarnold!

[bertha katzenengel]

9. Hear, hear.

[goclark]

49. I have never heard of one going to their death

and pleading for their life in tears as they are making those final steps. And if they did, would it change the next murdering fool from doing the same awful damn thing? NO!


I will never know if he was truly sorry for what he did even if he, or others, said that they were "sorry."

I have taught enough little kids to know that "saying sorry" doesn't even mean that you truly feel that way.

And, if someone is put to death,IMHO, that ends their unhappiness here on earth and we would not even get the "pleasure" of seeing them rot in hell.

For all I know, the people responsible for pushing the button and making the "decisions" to kill somebody may rot in hell and he goes up to heaven or wherever his religion takes him to.


For all we know, the people that want to "KILL THEM" to make them pay for their crimes, may go to hell ---- how would we know.

Or vice versa, because I am against the DP, maybe I'll rot in hell.

One doesn't know does one?

I have never heard of any harden criminal say right before they kill somebody, "Oops! I better not do that because I will get the death Penalty."

In fact, I believe that the statistics say that the state with the DP still have high murder rates.

[...of J.Temperance]

And murdering innocent people is barbaric as well n/t

[goclark]

42. Doesn't bring them back to kill him nt

[Maru Kitteh]

44. Well the terrorists torture people so we should too right?

Rush and his like thrive on that kind of logic.

[cornermouse]

6. Apparently he also has dementia.

That probably makes him extra dangerous. :sarcasm:

[FreedomAngel82]

18. Isn't Arnold supposed to be Catholic?

So why hasn't the Catholic church threatned to ex-communicate him like they did John Kerry for being for Roe v Wade?

[oneighty]

Too bad he will not be aware

of his punishment. Be just like another trip to the bathroom for him.

Sarcasm

180

[...of J.Temperance]

28. Clarence Ray Allen didn't have dementia when he had those people

Murdered. Jaysus, I bet he gets better healthcare in the jail than decent, law-abiding elderly people get outside...Shit, I bet Clarence Ray Allen doesn't have to choose between buying his medication or buying food.

[cornermouse]

39. There is no real purpose, logic, or justice to be found in executing

someone who is in his condition. He's well past the point where we can punish him.

[Horse with no Name]

7. May he rest in peace

Once in an ocean of darkness a man’s a drift
Pressing ahead through the storm to seek the land of his dream
Then in the darkness one night a comet appeared
Glowing with it’s mysterious light
For a moment he’s not lonely anymore.

Oh Comet (comet comet) just stay steadfast he pray
I don't care what the world’d say
Just stay and be my guiding star

Oh comet I don't care good or bad the omen u bring
In this darkness, I need a friend, a guiding light
I’m cold and lonely and tired
In this darkness, I’m lost
Tell me where I’m heading to?
Where’s the land of my dream?

Oh comet, are u just passing by,
A traveler without destination, in the emptiness of space
Are u, too, destined to vanish, disintegrate and turn to dust?
What is the meaning of existence if existence is just transitory?
If life is just a journey why is the destination a mystery?
Is there a higher being, watching and passing judgement on us?

Oh comet, do you have a message?
For all the lost souls crying in despair,
Struggling in the rubbish dump of society, forgotten by others?
Are we just an accidental creation of the forces of nature?

Well I can hear the distant thunder
Will my frail body and my raft survive the approaching storm?
Or will I be washed away, just like the ants, the dust in the rain?

But the comet had no answer
Nor Did it know the destination of its journey
Soon it passed by and disappeared down the horizon,
A journey that is seemingly purposeless, doomed from the start.

author unknown

[UrbScotty]

8. I feel the same relief knowing the sanctity of my marriage is protected

Whew!

:sarcasm:

[Thtwudbeme]

10. That too!

Do you get those sanctomonious chills when you look at your hetero spouse like I do? I mean, shivers up my spine about the sacredness of it all!

I am so glad to see a like minded soul on my thread-

[Tom Joad]

11. If they treat that old man like that, then we could at least put Kissinger

on trial for crimes against humanity (Vietnam, East Timor, Overthrow Allende in Chile) chief among them. I would oppose a death penalty even for the likes of him, though.

[Thtwudbeme]

12. Oh no! He is way too old and feeble. Besides, he only killed what we

know now were gays trying to get married and stuff.

So, see...he's a good guy....

[...of J.Temperance]

13. He's a cold-blooded murderer, I don't care if he's blind and in a

Wheelchair. Clarence Ray Allen wasn't blind and in a wheelchair when he did what he did...he never showed his victims any compassion, so I'm not going to start crying over a piece of murdering shit like Clarence Ray Allen.

I will say a prayer for his victims on the night he's executed though.

I'm tired of all of these murderers on Death Row whining that they're going to be executed. Okay, if you don't want to be executed, then don't murder someone.

Live as a decent, law-abiding citizen instead.

On Edit: Dammit spelling error.

[Thtwudbeme]

14. Uh huh

Congratulations, you are unable to think past your biological urges. May I suggest a bit of Edward O. Wilson to you?

Good luck.

[...of J.Temperance]

19. It's well known on DU that I'm 100% pro-Death Penalty and I don't

Care if the murderer is black, white, blind, in a wheelchair or orange with white polka dots on them.

As I said, if they don't want to be executed, then it's simple, they shouldn't murder someone.

There's more important things to think about such as healthcare, education, social security, the judicial branch, the minimum wage et al.

On Edit: It's a pity that the Clarence Ray Allen's and the Stanley Williams' can't think beyond their uncontrolled biological urges and instead live like decent, law-abiding citizens.

[Thtwudbeme]

21. It's a bigger shame that we can't raise ourselves morally and ethically

beyond those common murderers who can't think past their biological urges.

Try to be a bigger person, and see how that works out for you.

[FreedomAngel82]

22. Oh yes

Nobody is ever put in prison innocently and on a wrong charge huh? :eyes: There was a story here late last year of a man who was released from prison after being in jail for twenty years. Why? Because he was accused of raping a girl. It was now known she lied under oath and they let him go. So what if they killed him? The death penalty is NOTHING more than legalized MURDER. So you've got blood on your hands. You're NO BETTER than they are.

[...of J.Temperance]

24. Clarence Ray Allen isn't innocent, he ordered the hit from prison

But you know, he's just a sweet, harmless old man who's blind and in a wheelchair...yeah, Albert Fish was just a sweet, harmless old man too eh? Except Fish wasn't blind and in a wheelchair.

On Edit: Dammit spelling error.

[Thtwudbeme]

27. Dude, no one is saying this man is "sweet and harmless." He seems

to be meaner than a snake.

Where did you get that idea? I know what he did, I read the very same news stories you did.

[...of J.Temperance]

29. I'm a girl...I just have no compassion for these murderers n/t

[Thtwudbeme]

OK, "Dudette, No one is saying that this man is sweet and harmless...."

does that make you feel better?

Do you want to believe that I am just assuming he is an adorable old grandfatherly sweetie poo pie in his old age?

I am saying that the state sanctioned murder of people is morally wrong. I am not brimming over with tears of compassion either, dear.

Stephanie

[...of J.Temperance]

35. Okay...what would the alternative to the Death Penalty be?

I mean a proper alternative with sufficient punishment?

[Thtwudbeme]

38. Hard time

labor camps.

For life. Forever.

[Maru Kitteh]

46. Rush and his like positively THRIVE on your kind of logic

As I said up thread, the terrorists torture people so we should to right? :sarcasm:

You may be a female but your tude screams angry white man.

[cornermouse]

23. Dementia

Main Entry: de·men·tia
Pronunciation: di-'men(t)-sh&, -shE-&
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin, from dement-, demens mad, from de- + ment-, mens mind -- more at MIND
1 : a condition of deteriorated mentality often with emotional apathy
2 : MADNESS, INSANITY <a fanaticism bordering on dementia>
- de·men·tial /-sh&l/ adjective

Just thought I'd define it for you.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

30. I doubt that I will cry for him either. I will, however, cry for the

society that feels that violence can only best be served with more violence.

I'm an atheist, but I give great credence to things like "vengence is mine, sayeth the lord..." and "Thou shalt not kill." That we as a society lower ourselves to the basest instinct of premeditated murder is truly a sorrow.

To hold a person in custody for years telling him daily, "We're gonna kill you, motherfucker." is beyond barbaric.



on edit: :hi:

[tmooses]

15. I never could understand statements about how someone "deserves to

die". It sounds like a denial that we all are going to die. Do we all deserve to die or do some people deserve the infirmities and diseases of old age more than others? This guy is supposedly responsible for 4 deaths of people who never got a chance to grow old, but does closure for the loved ones of the victims depend on what type of death this individual has? Is "justice" served when a persons life is cut short by the authority of the government or when they are left to live out the rest of his life alone with their conscience in prison?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

16. Just For The Record, You Know What He Is On Death Row For To Begin With

right?

He was already serving a life sentence when he ordered a hit that in turn killed 3 people. He ordered the hit, didn't perform it himself. He could be in a wheelchair and still order the hit.

Course, that doesn't make the DP right or make me condone it. It just means that the reasoning in this thread is not really accurate.

[Thtwudbeme]

20. This is the second time you have told me about "reasoning" in my

thread-- and it is frustrating to me that you are reading stuff into my comments that clearly are not there. Last time you claimed you somehow "inferred" your information. Reading "between the lines," or trying to guess what someone on a message board is thinking, then responding to your own guess is just not a good way to communicate.

I understand that this man ordered a "hit" from death row.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

41. It Seemed Pretty Apparent That The Reasoning Was That

what harm can a poor wittle old man do to anybody. My point was clarifying that his condition and age would've been irrelevant in 1980 when he committed the crime that murdered 3 people. Even in this condition he could've order the hit. So if the reason you are implying in the opening post is that he shouldn't be executed because he is old and no longer a threat, well I think the facts show that is faulty reasoning.

My opinion (yes, it is my own, you are entitled to yours) is that it is more effective in the fight against the DP to not use faulty reasonings that almost end up sounding like they are innocent or deserve sympathy, but instead frame it in a way of "regardless of the fact he committed these atrocities and still poses a danger there is never justification in state sanctioned murder. Two wrongs don't make a right, etc..."

[Moochy]

45. Good point!!

"it is more effective in the fight against the DP to not use faulty reasonings that almost end up sounding like they are innocent"

Scary,huh? we agree! :D :yoiks:

During the flames before the Tookie Williams Execution, that was my problem with alot of the Tookie Williams story that was being told. If he had killed 4 people more while on death row, then he still deserved clemency.

Stick to your morals, dont try and glorify the "worth" of someone, relative to someone else on death row. If one feels as I do that the DP is immoral regardless of the inmate then the story of the person on death row just serves to distract and weaken the purity of the argument on moral grounds.

[FreedomAngel82]

25. So what?

You're just going to kill someone else? That gives you the right to kill them? So let's say I came to your house and stole something that was valuable to you. Does that mean you can come to my house and steal something that's valuable to me? Instead of just killing someone (which is what you're doing and supporting and makes you no better than they are if you support the death penalty) why not work on helping them become a better person? Some people you can't reach and deserve to stay in prison for the rest of their life, but some people do change like Mr. Williams did. He would've been a great deal of help with keeping kids out of gangs instead of Laura Bush. Oh yes. I'm sure Laura knows oh so much about keeping kids out of gangs. :eyes: It cost more money to kill someone than it does to keep them in prison for life. We already have enough death as it is in this world. The death penalty is also an easy way out for the person to serve their crime. Do you think by killing him and letting him not serve his crime and get away with murder that will do any type of justice? Bring back any loved ones? Nope for both question's.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

43. Well Someone Doesn't Know How To Read I Guess.

Especially this part, that glares out at the end.

"Course, that doesn't make the DP right or make me condone it. "

All that preaching above for nothing.... Nothing more than a waste of time and misguided emotion.

[FreedomAngel82]

17. It's so sad

:( I hate the death penalty.

[RebelOne]

26. I am a proponent for the death penalty, but in this case,

why not just let this guy die a natural death.

[Moochy]

32. DP threads make my ignore list grow!

:popcorn: Nothing like a good death penalty thread to flush out the 'pukes in sheeps clothing. Yay for internet tough guys!

[...of J.Temperance]

37. Meaning what exactly? Democrats can be pro-Death Penalty too in case

You're not aware.

[Moochy]

40. Sure, DP Supporters vs DP cheerleaders

Sure, DP Supporters vs DP cheerleaders

I'm also perfectly within my rights to ignore posters who cheer every impendning state-sanctioned murder with vicous and evil glee. Just as an aside, obviously i'm not ignoring you, since I'm posting to you. :D

"Meaning what exactly?" Meaning that the hateful shit that comes out on these threads are a good measure of someone's worth, in my eyes. If a poster can calmly state their support for the DP without bloodlust, then I wont ignore them.

There's a difference between being a DP supporter, and being a DP cheerleader. Each person has to decide for themselves what is justice, and what is murder. Obviously politicians have made a calculation on the Death Penalty and the people have spoken, and wild-west justice has prevailed.

Is The DP legal in the new IRAQ? of course it is.

[Flying Dream Blues]

36. I think anyone who still believes in the DP should watch

Dead Man Walking. Just watch it. It may just change your life.

[timtom]

47. I think it needs to be said

that the purpose of capital punishment is not revenge. It is the means whereby society brings closure to a particular event. I believe it may be related to the blood sacrifice many peoples practiced (using goats, virgins, etc.) It's kind of like a funeral. So-and-so is dead. We've celebrated that person's life and death. Now let us move on.

[Cleita]

48. Yes, thanks to Arnold and the Repukes who annointed him

our Governor, in place of our elected Govenor, we now have this abomination about to happen in our state.